THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

I suspect the Dark Wheel are the conspirators, and have infiltrated everywhere-Pilot's Federation, Sirius Corp, Wreaken Construction, Empire, Federation, Alliance. I also think Luko is a member and tried to recruit Salome, but she wasn't having part of any conspiracy hence left the medallion behind to go off & ascertain the truth. That's why she had to be killed (by an Elite combateer?), she was just getting too close to exposing them.

Not sure that works, given it looks very much like Luko and Kahina were together on the Meta-alloys 'raid'.


That cat looks seriously cheesed off!

It's a cat. What do you expect?


Guys, you're all burying the lead here. Drew Carnegie is in the book! Woo! Congrats Drew~

Agreed! If I found out Saool was in the book I would be running around with my t-shirt pulled over my head, punching the air, and speaking in tongues.


Just a thought about the logs... when they speak of manufacturing a fake war, does she mean the current "sabre-rattling", or the war with the Thargoids... or both ;)

Perhaps the Thargoids were never a threat in the slightest. Perhaps they don't even exist and have only been fabricated using reverse engineered Guardian technology...

I very much dislike these ideas the directly link the Thargoids and Guardians (beyond they may have met in the deep past and butted heads, possibly in a very big way). It makes the universe that more flat. Does every little thing have to be connected?


This is precisely where we are. The players must decide what, if anything, to do next.

Cheers,

Drew.

Hmm the issue there is, to my mind, is what can we do, within the bounds of the game? We don't know if there is more to find 'that is physically in the game'. There are no Galnet articles about the event, no mentions of these probes. No in game media storm. There is no way to shout at my MP so to speak. I would love to fly to Gateway, or Alioth and have a cuppa with Eddy Maahn (Mahon) and ask some tricky questions about Halsey, the California Nebula and does did he know about Dynasty, but I can't. (Unless you want to pop that in your epilogue ;) )


Ah, out of rep, but any mention of Emley Moor needs a virtual +2.

Indeed, a sign I am getting near home when on the M62 or M1 (Home being 10m north of Leeds).



...aaaand up to date.
 
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At a glance: Rank and charisma.
Your random pilots coming back from the rift can be dismissed as rumours or the prattling of the space mad.

When she talked people LISTENED, and despite being stripped of her title had the potential to gather the resources of and entire system. If people had a solid lead on something that would prove Salome's innocence, Loren's Legion might still respond to that summons.

I'd have probably accepted that explanation, if Drew hadn't popped up with this nugget...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ERY-(Part-4)?p=5467389&viewfull=1#post5467389
 
Ages of pages of reading later. Shew.
... players were supposedly *not* looking for a point of interest. And yet, it appears that actually we were... The point of interest is SYREADIAE JX-F C0 and the ship named 'The Zurara'.

Of course the overall mystery involves POI's. It's the only game mechanic that lets you experience and interact with things in game. That doesn't mean the mystery was a POI. What people were actually looking for were answers, that's what they found.

Yeah, it's about 1,000 ly from front to back if you're at 46 E kind of height. I started roaming the edges of the non-locked parts a little while back to look for any accessible Col 70 systems using pretty much the same method (no joy) and to try and get a visual of their size and shape via EDSM/EDDiscovery. The whole things huge as you say though, so I went off to do the same for another smaller and less complex permit locked sector nearby which isn't as well explored.

Good luck with the searching. If you need somewhere to drop your exploration data there the Witchhead Science Centre. There's also the Orion Nebula Tourist Centre, which has a shipyard and outfitting. The tourist centre's also got a few tourist missions to some sites with good views of the various nebulae.

Barnards Loop is also accessible (I'm not sure whether it ever wasn't or not). The Horsehead Nebula is still locked though.

Nice! Need to get me one of those!

Yes! Great idea!

My guess is anything Col 70 Sector is blanketed permit locked. There are some Hip systems among those stars though, and not all of them are locked (but many are). I actually plotted my return route to take me through witch head, (fire? something), Bernard's Loop, and around the back of Horse Head. Thanks for the station tips. I may stop off just to see them. I was debating on going further to the edge or out to California and back to the bubble.

<Unlocks bunker door and steps outside>

Hi folks, ...
I'd like to thank you for your contributions.

Thanks once again.

Cheers,

Drew.

I really appreciate the effort and the way the content was delivered. It was the event that pushed me over the edge on actually getting involved in the thread instead of just reading it, so thanks for the carrot.

I don't really understand all the conspiracies and finger pointing. I guess sometimes the plain and simple truth is too uninteresting to be bothered with. How human though, that in the aftermath claims of a grand conspiracy and a complete misunderstanding of events would follow. That's always the problem with people though. They're too damn inventive and too trusting of their own ideas to see what's in front of them.

Anyways, thanks for the fun. I enjoyed myself and I think I made some friends along the way.

Thanks for your input.

I'm assuming this is confirmation that the Rift mystery is now fully completed.

I've stated what my personal gripes are - and the story is not the issue. The problem I see is that while you (Drew Wagar) have been trying to provide content and 'lore' for Elite, Frontier have failed - in my opinion - to fully support the content you have written about (as well as others) in the actual game itself. Had the Formidine Rift been a real place of mystery, strange happenings - almost like the Bermuda Triangle - all would have been well and good. Most all Rifters might have experienced some chance encounter or phenomenon - whatever (use some imagination Frontier) - while searching for the primary objective. As it is, most all came away with nothing - except to be told (in the messages) that no one asked for individuals to go out searching that far (thanks a bunch!).

I'd also hazard a guess that despite the messages saying that beacons had been dropped by The Zurara around terraformable worlds and Earth-like worlds, that in reality there are no beacons to be found around such planets in or beyond the Rift as they haven't been included in the game (the three sectors mentioned in the logs probably also non-existent currently). I'd be happy to be informed I am wrong about that.

Thanks very much, otherwise.

The beacons are something of a problem for me. Maybe someone survived by taking a small ship, retracing their route to the bubble and destroying all the beacons along the way? Maybe Rebecca took them out to be spiteful and doesn't remember. That's not an exciting answer though. Not as exciting as finding them but in the end that's just more easter eggs. I think the reputation of danger may have been just the power's way of dissuading searchers because they knew something was there to find, where in other area's all evidence had been destroyed.

Well, from some of the clues I've read in the past, it certainly does seem to present the idea that the Rift, or beyond, is a place of potential danger.

Furthermore, the main characters in the mystery had supposedly been apprehended and memory wiped - more than once - for supposedly venturing out that far. And yet every other Tom, and Harry can jet around unimpeded by not even human forces! No security chasing people away, no secret (special) forces trying to turn explorers back, no military bases or outposts (not even automated turrets, or armed beacons) - nothing! It's ridiculous.

The three sectors referred to in the messages probably don't exist. If they do, then there should surely be defences in place to defend the system, etc. So, while the story may have been OK, the content from Frontier - backing up the story - just hasn't been there, and most solo players have nothing much to show for their time searching the Rift (not even a chase by secret services in an effort to stop you uncovering the secret). Mind you, I suppose Frontier would simply 'permit lock' these areas anyway (why waste resources, ships n such, when you can lock players out of places of interest with an 'unknown permit')...

It was one of many plans is what Rebecca said. Maybe it wasn't the best so they abandoned it? Why pour resources into covering up a plan that you no longer intend to use?

Drew's argument seems to be it wasn't fixed because while he allowed the fox into the hen-house he had no idea it would eat his chickens doesn't seem very genuine; he facilitated it by allowing a known event-killer to fly shotgun.

Drew left the ending up to the players. The only way to do that was to do nothing personally to shape the ending. React, try to survive but don't dictate how the players decide to protect you. PAC let SDC in, they let them carry weapons unopposed. Drew for his part friended people so he could be followed, regardless of intent. That's just something that had to be done given game mechanics. To do anything else would have meant shaping the ending. You can't not control something by controlling it. There's conspiracy and then there's simply ignoring facts because it suits you. The latter needs something thicker than tinfoil, try a frying pan. Be sure to swing hard when putting it on so you know you'll get the proper fit.

Next time, it'd be nice if Frontier went to some lengths to include other elements, as previously mentioned by me (and others) in such story lines. Whereas Salome, I believe, was memory wiped due to going out into the Formidine Rift, no one else was bothered in the slightest for going to an area the superpowers were supposedly trying to keep things secret - all others could come and go as they pleased. Highly unlikely that the three superpowers - or whomever is involved - would allow roaming explorers to go unmolested if they were serious about protecting this supposed big secret. Anyway, that's about all I'll say on the matter. Anyone know when the next release of Elite will be - hopefully not too long?

Rebecca knew who they were because she was one of them. Everyone else just had dead bodies with no name to attach to them. The powers sending people to guard this secret would just suggest their involvement.

Actually, he was not UC. He's part of the Federal Astrocartography department...

I think that's the thing based on Mars, being the Federation's capital and all. I don't think the other powers/independents would stand for UC if it was there.

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/582dc4489657bacc7c29abb9

It would be really cool if some of the independent groups like the Pilots Federation started to leave power controlled systems because of this.

I think FD have indicated that the INRA biological attack on the Thargoids did not happen in the E D universe.

All the lore on Drew's website is supposed to be cannon for ED. He mentions the mycoid virus from INRA.
 
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I very much dislike these ideas the directly link the Thargoids and Guardians (beyond they may have met in the deep past and butted heads, possibly in a very big way). It makes the universe that more flat. Does every little thing have to be connected?

I'm not saying it's what I want to be the case, but if, hypothetically speaking, everything about the Thargoids was a fabrication, the guardians' proximity to the bubble weeks just make them a likely candidate for tech to be obtained by ashadowy organisation.

Also, it could have been the discovery of them and their extinction that led to the fear of an alien threat out there. One of the later guardian entries does point towards an external enemy causing their extinction as opposed to the civil war.

There could be other explanations, I know. I was simply stating a likely possibility within a hypothetical framework.

The Human-Thargoid conflict could still have been a real one - or one that just happened because of said shadowy organisation*. In those cases, my reasoning doesn't even apply.

*this being my favourite, because it means INRA was not actually part of the organisation in question, but in fact spoiled it's plans by developing the Mycoid virus and ending the war earlier than they'd hoped.
 
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- where did all those Sirius Corp automated exploration probes go?

Hmmm. What if those probes were Dynasty II?

At the time they listed the issues with Human explorers. You could extend that to humans doing your long range deployment job. Also Dynasty was using an old hyper-drive technology. Now we have Frame-shift Drives, they can get (anywhere) in a few days (something else that bothers me about the Thargoids 'coming' idea. Well why aren't they here then? The Fuel Rats can get to the other side of the Galaxy in a few days with tea or coffee. You would only need to carve the galaxy up into a few hundred units and send one scout to each unit to hit the human bubble). So, back to the point, perhaps Sirius are doing version 2, or phase 2 with automated probes?
 
I'd have probably accepted that explanation, if Drew hadn't popped up with this nugget...

After reading the Teorge logs I think the answer is simply: There is no need to keep it secret anymore.

That leads to the question: Why doesn't have it to be kept secret anymore.

Possible answers:
- the project has been abandoned.
- the trigger event is about to happen and everybody knowing about it won't change the outcome
- THEY know that the revealed information will be ignored by the majority (currently happening, almost everybody is ignoring the Teorge logs)
 
After reading the Teorge logs I think the answer is simply: There is no need to keep it secret anymore.

That leads to the question: Why doesn't have it to be kept secret anymore.

Possible answers:
- the project has been abandoned.
- the trigger event is about to happen and everybody knowing about it won't change the outcome
- THEY know that the revealed information will be ignored by the majority (currently happening, almost everybody is ignoring the Teorge logs)

I think its about to happen, maybe it should have happend at the 29th but due to some issue FD needs some more time...
 
<Unlocks bunker door and steps outside>
...
Cheers, Drew.

So, my cunning plan worked:cool:.

What most players/people forget, is, that even with all of the imperfections in ED by FD and community event story telling by Drew:
Our life would be so much more boring without both of these.

Thank you for making me jump out to the Rift and back again just for some (good) audio logs and thank you for making me jumping after a green marker on the galaxy map. It might both have not been the most fun I had, but it was fun indeed.
 
One of the things I got from this mystery is a motivation to re-read and read a bit more classical mythology.

I found a few neutron stars in the bottom of the rift that have my tag on them too.

Timing was good for me for my expedition to the Rift; I'd hurt my arm and had to play differently or not at all. The trip milage also helped for the engineers.
 
At a glance: Rank and charisma.
Your random pilots coming back from the rift can be dismissed as rumours or the prattling of the space mad.

When she talked people LISTENED, and despite being stripped of her title had the potential to gather the resources of and entire system. If people had a solid lead on something that would prove Salome's innocence, Loren's Legion might still respond to that summons.

By the way what did happen to all that tantalum?

It would be ridiculous if it was intended to build new style FSD and powerplant for a particular ship... wouldn't it?



From the CoR webpage, The Dark Wheel introducing Salomé to the CoR as their new leader:

Salomé has been chosen by those above. She is what you need at
this stage; more than just a leader, a figurehead and rallying point. She knows
the Empire, she knows the Federation and the Alliance. She has the diplomatic
contacts you will need. She can open doors that would otherwise remain
permanently closed to you. She is acclimatized to power. She can engender
loyalty and adulation. When the time comes, you will need more than ships
and weapons, you will need charisma, charm and admiration. The masses will
follow her, love her and… if necessary, they will fight and die for her.’

Seems The Dark Wheel was right ...
 
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After reading the Teorge logs I think the answer is simply: There is no need to keep it secret anymore.

That leads to the question: Why doesn't have it to be kept secret anymore.

Possible answers:
- the project has been abandoned.
- the trigger event is about to happen and everybody knowing about it won't change the outcome
- THEY know that the revealed information will be ignored by the majority (currently happening, almost everybody is ignoring the Teorge logs)
Certainly possible and a very good question but there are additional potential answers if that is the case:
  • Another project has been successful (e.g. development of weapons/countermeasures such as 'Wake Supression').
  • Social instability serves their purpose e.g. it might result in an increase in defence spending and ensure that attention is focused on the true enemy when it shows up.
  • They are issuing a challenge, effectively saying: 'We know you are coming and we have been preparing for it for a long time. Do you still want to be our enemy?'
In terms of player action driving the story forward, I still feel that actively searching for 'them' - even if there's nothing there to be found, yet - will produce better results than just waiting for an Alien Armada patch. I think that being pro-active rather than reactive is the way to participate in the story most effectively.
 
Salomé is dead.

Cheers,

Drew.

I have to say that brought a smile to my face. There are a lot of ways to interpret 'Cheers', and for a brief instance I had a view of Drew in a pub raising a pint and smiling with backslaps all around. Salome is dead, Cheers.

The smile wasn't because I like or approve of that interpretation, it just struck me as funny. Particularly if you take that post, put it into a time machine and plop it into the Rift thread a year plus ago. Man we would have gone nuts.
 
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In light of this weekend's discoveries and confirmations, there are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding Colonia.

What we have out at Colonia is a settlement of ~1.5 million people (plus another million or so in pending settlements) - with ELWs aplenty to take in billions more even without terraforming; the limiting factor would be infrastructure - much further from Sol than the Dynasty project's bolt-holes.

Was Jaques' misjump planned by the conspiracy? If so, how far back - were the Fuel Rats in on it too? If not, what do the conspiracy think of a new exodus site further out than their original plans and in somewhat better state? Either way, when the threat to the bubble arrives, will they try to take over Colonia? Or are they there already? Did Jaques discover something on his previous trips outside the bubble and independently conclude an Exodus was required - or has a man of his age and connections been part of the conspiracy all along? Is there anything special about Eol Prou and the Colonia Nebula? And who are the "No Look Here Gang" and what do they have to hide?

I can state that we (The Fuel Rats) were not in on Jaques ending up where he did. The UA bombing at the end of the CG is what caused the mis-jump. He needed fuel, we all brought him fuel...now where's the snickers?
 
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