OP, this is just to let you know that your allegations do not convince me; they do not seem to me to be fact-based, and you do not seem to engage with evidence contradicting your far-flung theories despite several people trying to ask you to do just that. Maybe it would help to try following well-meant advice? Fly safe, CMDR.
Elite Dangerous - Drew Wagar's Conspiracy - Part 2
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There has been a whole range of opinions and points of view circulating and churning and changing and I am also a part of it, I'm not really sure what I said that seemed so personal, but from what I can tell a lot of people are gasping when I directly criticize Drew Wagar, however criticising someone doesn't make it personal.
You are criticising me right now, is it personal for you?
I can assure you that none if this is personal for me
There is a difference between a personal campaign and a personal offense.
This is personal for me in the way that this is my personal view.
"Liar, spitting in your face, ignorant, high handed, you hate him."
Lets be real, you said all the above in this thread you cannot now try to pretend this is not personal, they are personal attacks from you directly at the individual. You have not critisised the event, or the planning, orthe story you are purely attacking the person. Your motivations are your own but becasue of that you cannot deny they are personal that is as true as it is apparent, just as this opinion is my own and personal.
You are insulting -directly- the person, yet trying to say it is not personal.......
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He isn't insulting anyone if what he claims is true. Jus' sayin'!
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Care to prove without dispute that accusations of "spitting in his face", "liar" and "ignorant" are true rather than 'jus' sayin' it, or do we insult people on whims these days and construct pretenses that it is cool?
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Well, hold on a second
Honestly, this is not the main point of the whole "no strings on us" "movement".
I may sound like i am taking it personal, but its just because i have a bit of a flare for dramatics
Do not dismiss the fact that, all this time I have also been under constant attack
Yea, for some reason I've developed this bad habit of responding to posts as is. It's good if you aren't. I don't think anyone should be taking any of this personally. Including people taking your videos personally.
"Liar, ignorant, high handed"
Yes, those are english words meant to describe some features in some circumstances, wrong with any of those words?
"you hate him." no, I said I'm starting to hate him, and even that is taken out of context.
Actually no you are right, I wrote "i hate him" :/ Oops, I meant to say "the more I think about it the more I'm starting to"
"spitting in your face", no I said "spitting in our faces as a community"
Why are you changing the words to make it seem worse?
Personal-much? Seriously, none of this is personal
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Not saying it's cool or t'otherwise. But perhaps his language is a little provocative.
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Hmm, I'm starting to wonder if there is still anything more to say.
It's have been 5 days now, it looks like every individual at this point have chosen their respective camps regarding the event, and dug-in.
Btw, for those who missed the main "reason" for this thread :
"I'll give you a bit on an insight into where this is going on my side, I've been contacted by a few self proclaimed authors, and now currently looking at their work, some of it is pretty sophisticated.
I think ultimately the choice will be unavoidable, we will make a poll and let the community decide (as they have been promised to all along) if Harry killed Salome, or she was rescued by Yuri.
After the decision, if community decides death - we will officially concede that it is now set in stone, and part our separate ways.
However, if she is deemed to be alive at the hands of Yuri, we will contact Drew and forfeit our rights to this story line to him.
If he refuses, we will emancipate Kahina Loren, and the authors will start writing a pilot with Yuri Nakamura as the main protagonist, and Kahina Loren being a support character.
Harry Potter will be credited to pulling the trigger on the ship, no one can take that away from him, which is only fair.
If the plot ultimately is sophisticated enough , we will present it to the community, and vote if people want it to be cannon or at least a branching in the timeline into an alternative universe.
If more vote yes than now, and show interest in reading the rest, we will definitely not try to force it or crowbar it, and will only proceed if it flows smooth and resonates with the community, if so we will probably either set up a kick starter, or I'll gather some funds myself, it's not that hard to publish the book, content is key."
I guess it's time for me to move on with my plan, make the 3rd - final video, and put the matter up for vote, let the voters decide, which ending they prefer more, e.g: give community the choice.
Thread can be closed now, unless others want to continue discussing
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Man goes out of his way to organise event for community, free, in his own time (yes there's a book involved but entry to the event did not require purchase of book).
Member of community calls him a liar and accuses man of spitting in face of community.
What did drew lie about? I'm still not getting that bit. Ok, so, as has been said, he could have went full speed, survive at all costs and probably made it, but that would have made it way too difficult for most players to have any chance of catching him.
So, he built in a way to make it possible to be caught, he has happily stated this.
He wanted a chase, he needed to let that chase be possible.
In as few words as possible please, can you state what the actual lie was?
Member of community calls him a liar and accuses man of spitting in face of community.
What did drew lie about? I'm still not getting that bit. Ok, so, as has been said, he could have went full speed, survive at all costs and probably made it, but that would have made it way too difficult for most players to have any chance of catching him.
So, he built in a way to make it possible to be caught, he has happily stated this.
He wanted a chase, he needed to let that chase be possible.
In as few words as possible please, can you state what the actual lie was?
The evidence MassiveD is presenting is damning to anyone who understands the game mechanics at a PVP level. So you saying "this isn't convincing" is essentially demonstrating your ignorance. Besides, the organizers have already admitted that Drew was flying an intentionally gimped ship. What more evidence do you need?
Accusing me of ignorance is not making any arguments more plausible.
Anyway, since the OP requested it, I am glad this thread will be closed soon.
That the event would be fair, equal opportunity for both endings, and community would be the ones that choose.
He chose himself with all that sub-par build / goldylocks effect / "probably too difficult to catch" nonsence (which is pure ignorance of the game mechanics as it was more than possible to catch a fully engineered ship blazing at full speed through the galaxy using proper planning, proper ships, proper weapons, and proper tactics, in a way even downplaying CMDR's competence level)
In fact I personally believe that even without all of the above, Salome would not have made it.
Never mind that though, you can either have 2 answers, the event was fair, or the event was set to be in a certain way. You can't simply mash those 2 together and call it a day, when your poster said "all must make a choice, discover freedom, discover truth"
False advertisement - is a lie.
I know that for a fact, no matter how poor my english is claimed to be
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It would cause me no upset to lock it.
Ok, I understand your point.
The way I see it though, he wasn't thinking just about top level pvp players, he wanted anyone to have a chance to kill her/save her, so he went with a decent ship but with an average loadout, he didn't pick the fastest route, he hung around some systems to let people catch up.
I guess his thoughts were, at each stage he stopped or left Salome vunerable, that there would be a chance for friends and foes to catch her, and hope that the friends would defeat the foes. Yes, over time the chance of survival decreases, but if enough of the players taking part chose to defend her then there was a decent chance. There isn't really another way to do it. Blazing at full speed would have meant the average player in a ship with a low jump range would have no chance.
You could argue the tactic was wrong, or there were things that he should have done different, but I honestly believe he did the best he could.
The way I see it though, he wasn't thinking just about top level pvp players, he wanted anyone to have a chance to kill her/save her, so he went with a decent ship but with an average loadout, he didn't pick the fastest route, he hung around some systems to let people catch up.
I guess his thoughts were, at each stage he stopped or left Salome vunerable, that there would be a chance for friends and foes to catch her, and hope that the friends would defeat the foes. Yes, over time the chance of survival decreases, but if enough of the players taking part chose to defend her then there was a decent chance. There isn't really another way to do it. Blazing at full speed would have meant the average player in a ship with a low jump range would have no chance.
You could argue the tactic was wrong, or there were things that he should have done different, but I honestly believe he did the best he could.
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Although I think he is saying that Drew deliberately weighted the event to make it very likely that Salomé would die, after previously saying that the event would be exactly fair.
In one of Drew's posts, he mentioned that some of the choices about how to set up the event were to level the playing field and make the event fun for everyone. I think the accusation is that this means that Drew rigged the event, and he should have done all possible to save Salomé - therefore the event was not fair and it was a lie.
Many have pointed out, that this would be easy - simply give virtually no info whatsoever, don't even reveal the starting location, and then just announce at the end that Salomé arrived - job done. What a fun event.
I'm not sure when (before the event) he made any statement that "This event w ill be 100% fair to all and Salome will be flying in a souped up death machine with a mega PVP pilot in order to avoid anyone saying that her chances were rigged" - or something like that. In fact I'm not even sure if he ever said the event would be fair, although he was for sure trying to make it so.
So Drew stated that he made some choices as an attempt to level the playing field. Others here contend that his choices were made on purpose to ensure that Salomé died. Personally, if I had been trying to do that, I would have weighted it even further as the way it was run, from what I've heard, the chances of Salomé not surviving were quite high but far from certain.
In one of Drew's posts, he mentioned that some of the choices about how to set up the event were to level the playing field and make the event fun for everyone. I think the accusation is that this means that Drew rigged the event, and he should have done all possible to save Salomé - therefore the event was not fair and it was a lie.
Many have pointed out, that this would be easy - simply give virtually no info whatsoever, don't even reveal the starting location, and then just announce at the end that Salomé arrived - job done. What a fun event.
I'm not sure when (before the event) he made any statement that "This event w ill be 100% fair to all and Salome will be flying in a souped up death machine with a mega PVP pilot in order to avoid anyone saying that her chances were rigged" - or something like that. In fact I'm not even sure if he ever said the event would be fair, although he was for sure trying to make it so.
So Drew stated that he made some choices as an attempt to level the playing field. Others here contend that his choices were made on purpose to ensure that Salomé died. Personally, if I had been trying to do that, I would have weighted it even further as the way it was run, from what I've heard, the chances of Salomé not surviving were quite high but far from certain.
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I'm not accusing you. You're doing that to yourself when you say, "sorry, I'm not convinced by my own eyes". This means you literally do not comprehend what you are seeing. Do some high level PVP, learn how why you were obliterated, and you will understand immediately that MassiveD is correct.
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