Elite Dangerous - Drew Wagar's Conspiracy - Part 2
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Isn't that contradictory, when you know the powerlevel of the engineered ships that the top level players are flying?
Someone made a very good point before, that if there were no instancing issues, it is more likely than not that Salome would't have been interdicted a very pwoerful engineered ship and ripped appart in seconds, without guardians being able to do anything.
And also that, Drew did what 99.99% of PvE players do , and that is - underestimate the PvP hardened players (that is the only reason anyone ever called Drew ignorant, including me), as they are on a whole new upper dimension when it comes to combat.
Do you see how the whole "leveling of the field" was a logical fallacy, as it only meant that an engineered mega ship could snipe it so fast and so hard, and technically the only reason she left square 2 was mainly due to massive instancing flop?
If you really want "a level field", it's either your let everything be engineered, or do this in a private server only allowing certain builds and certain levels of engineering with promise of disqualification if voided.
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Hmm, I'm starting to wonder if there is still anything more to say.
It's have been 5 days now, it looks like every individual at this point have chosen their respective camps regarding the event, and dug-in.
Btw, for those who missed the main "reason" for this thread :
"I'll give you a bit on an insight into where this is going on my side, I've been contacted by a few self proclaimed authors, and now currently looking at their work, some of it is pretty sophisticated.
I think ultimately the choice will be unavoidable, we will make a poll and let the community decide (as they have been promised to all along) if Harry killed Salome, or she was rescued by Yuri.
After the decision, if community decides death - we will officially concede that it is now set in stone, and part our separate ways.
However, if she is deemed to be alive at the hands of Yuri, we will contact Drew and forfeit our rights to this story line to him.
If he refuses, we will emancipate Kahina Loren, and the authors will start writing a pilot with Yuri Nakamura as the main protagonist, and Kahina Loren being a support character.
Harry Potter will be credited to pulling the trigger on the ship, no one can take that away from him, which is only fair.
If the plot ultimately is sophisticated enough , we will present it to the community, and vote if people want it to be cannon or at least a branching in the timeline into an alternative universe.
If more vote yes than now, and show interest in reading the rest, we will definitely not try to force it or crowbar it, and will only proceed if it flows smooth and resonates with the community, if so we will probably either set up a kick starter, or I'll gather some funds myself, it's not that hard to publish the book, content is key."
I guess it's time for me to move on with my plan, make the 3rd - final video, and put the matter up for vote, let the voters decide, which ending they prefer more, e.g: give community the choice.
Thread can be closed now, unless others want to continue discussing
Where did you get that 'reason' quote from?
For anyone reading this thread and hear of drew's ship being gimped is a lie, the ship had a very well engineered set of drives and extremely strong shields for a clipper, without number it looks like it was a 210 multiplier reinforced prismatic, by no means a weak shield, the armour was clear stripped and instead had fuel tanks to support jumping a long distance just as my ship was stripped of Armour to make room for a scoop and two interdictors.
My Clippers DPS was over 66 DPS, this is quite high for a clipper built for long range hunting. Drew's ship was built to survive and did multiple times during the even, surviving two cutter attacks.
My Clippers DPS was over 66 DPS, this is quite high for a clipper built for long range hunting. Drew's ship was built to survive and did multiple times during the even, surviving two cutter attacks.
As none of have access (yet) to the chapters leading up to the final chapter which the event is all about, we don't know the circumstances which determined the type of ship build Salomé was flying.
In Drew's first book, Salomé wasn't in any mega-engineered ship, and there's no reason to assume she would be in one in Premonition.
So. the supposedly sub-par build is most likely a result of the actual story in Premonition rather than Drew deliberately nerfing the ship for Saturday's event.
When are we all going to get to the 7th and last stage of grief - "Acceptance and Hope" - and accept that there is no conspiracy or lying going on, it's just a culmination of sub-events, community actions, instancing issues and story-line leading up to the result which many are not happy with.
I blame Films (and TV shows) over the last few decades where the majority of them have a "Happy Ending" and we not used to leaving the cinema depressed because it didn't end well. Finally, we have a story where the "heroine" didn't survive and was killed by the bad guy.
Sorry, OP, interesting points you've raised but I don't agree with them.
In Drew's first book, Salomé wasn't in any mega-engineered ship, and there's no reason to assume she would be in one in Premonition.
So. the supposedly sub-par build is most likely a result of the actual story in Premonition rather than Drew deliberately nerfing the ship for Saturday's event.
When are we all going to get to the 7th and last stage of grief - "Acceptance and Hope" - and accept that there is no conspiracy or lying going on, it's just a culmination of sub-events, community actions, instancing issues and story-line leading up to the result which many are not happy with.
I blame Films (and TV shows) over the last few decades where the majority of them have a "Happy Ending" and we not used to leaving the cinema depressed because it didn't end well. Finally, we have a story where the "heroine" didn't survive and was killed by the bad guy.
Sorry, OP, interesting points you've raised but I don't agree with them.
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Engineers are like... a year old
I prefer to think the escape pod recovered was Harry Potters, and that Yuri has him in some secret detention facility with his tongue in a vice...
As much as I hesitated to rep you, Harry...I've no vested interest in decrying Drew and pursuing what seems like a personal witch hunt. I've watched all the video evidence posted, including the Lave Radio interview with the CoR and a PAC Admiral...widened my perspective a bit.
As for the outcome...SDC do what SDC do, and Kudos for making it entertaining...if very predictable
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True, but he still had to take the risk.
See, most people aren't top pvp players, he tried to level the field by having experienced PVP pilots on both sides, but even the most fresh faced new player still needed to have a chance at it.
It's hard to bbalance that. I think drew said himself that most likely she would die but it was down to the players, and it was, if those same experienced PVP players had taken her side then she'd have survived, but they didn't, they made a choice.
Everyone had a choice to make, it's just that the ones who chose to kill her did just that.
No malice, sneakiness, lying or deceit was intended, the odds were against her, drew did say that too.
Anyway, let's all hug and get back to arguing about the new conda dashboard
See, most people aren't top pvp players, he tried to level the field by having experienced PVP pilots on both sides, but even the most fresh faced new player still needed to have a chance at it.
It's hard to bbalance that. I think drew said himself that most likely she would die but it was down to the players, and it was, if those same experienced PVP players had taken her side then she'd have survived, but they didn't, they made a choice.
Everyone had a choice to make, it's just that the ones who chose to kill her did just that.
No malice, sneakiness, lying or deceit was intended, the odds were against her, drew did say that too.
Anyway, let's all hug and get back to arguing about the new conda dashboard
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Engineers are like... a year old
It was page 8, you liar.
Yes, they are but as Salomé was more interested in the Formidine Rift and spent a lot of time flying round the Galaxy (she flew to Beagle Point), we cannot assume that she decided to spend several weeks in the storyline of Premonition gathering materials and visiting Engineers. Maybe she engineered her ship, maybe she didn't, at this stage it's all conjecture until we get to read the book.
But that's the point, we know for over a year now that a non-engineered begginer ship has litteraly no chance against the same fully engineered ship.
Having a PvP event in an engineering based meta, and expect unengineered ships to do anything is... I really don't know how to call it.
Having your cake and eat it too?
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It was page 8, you liar.
I'm sorry
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Part of the problem on this thread is the assumption that this was a PVP league type event, and that Salomé should be flying in a highly engineered ship and be one of the best pilots in the galaxy, and that somehow this expectation was set by the organizers before the event (which as far as I know it wasn't)
Maybe that's another lesson learned from this - hardened PVP players were expecting Salomé to be flying a highly optimized PVP build with high level PVP skills (although frankly the person who actually was there and made the final kill says that her ship was more highly engineered than others here are claiming - not doubt the next claim will then be that it was the pilot's fault).
Other players who are not normally PVP, maybe were hoping that this would be their chance for glory - maybe their chance to interdict and have a go at Salomé, even if they failed - have their story to tell.
In the end, you can't please everybody.
And to add - in the UK at least, if you call someone a liar, even though some dictionary definitions might just say that it's saying something untrue, in the UK it's generally taken as an accusation of malicious intent - that you were deliberately saying something not true, knowing that it was not true.
If indeed the balance was wrong, it would be better described as an honest mistake rather than a lie. However I still have yet to see that the balance was wrong. In the end, in the final battle, it was one on one with Drew (not normally a hardened PVP pilot) against a player who does PVP almost every day since the game was released. Regardless of build, what other outcome can you expect? Not to mention, because of instancing issues, Drew's wing were not there to defend him.
I think the big point is missed - Drew went into this event with a prepared speech for Salomé to deliver if she made it through. Others from COR were quoted as saying that they believed they might get her through. There was a sense of uncertainty. It's crystal clear that for them, the event was intended to be a fair fight, and actually they were gutted when Salomé didn't survive.
Sure, you can say it was silly to do this and that, but if it had been a stronger build and they had romped through ,we would probably now be watching the video "Conspiracy - Salomé rigged to be sure of surviving".
Edit: I also think a lot of people are missing that their primary strategy was - avoid interdiction at all costs - it was only if that failed that they would have to defend themselves in PVP combat. I'm sure this is a disappointing strategy for PVP players but this seems to be what they chose.
Maybe that's another lesson learned from this - hardened PVP players were expecting Salomé to be flying a highly optimized PVP build with high level PVP skills (although frankly the person who actually was there and made the final kill says that her ship was more highly engineered than others here are claiming - not doubt the next claim will then be that it was the pilot's fault).
Other players who are not normally PVP, maybe were hoping that this would be their chance for glory - maybe their chance to interdict and have a go at Salomé, even if they failed - have their story to tell.
In the end, you can't please everybody.
And to add - in the UK at least, if you call someone a liar, even though some dictionary definitions might just say that it's saying something untrue, in the UK it's generally taken as an accusation of malicious intent - that you were deliberately saying something not true, knowing that it was not true.
If indeed the balance was wrong, it would be better described as an honest mistake rather than a lie. However I still have yet to see that the balance was wrong. In the end, in the final battle, it was one on one with Drew (not normally a hardened PVP pilot) against a player who does PVP almost every day since the game was released. Regardless of build, what other outcome can you expect? Not to mention, because of instancing issues, Drew's wing were not there to defend him.
I think the big point is missed - Drew went into this event with a prepared speech for Salomé to deliver if she made it through. Others from COR were quoted as saying that they believed they might get her through. There was a sense of uncertainty. It's crystal clear that for them, the event was intended to be a fair fight, and actually they were gutted when Salomé didn't survive.
Sure, you can say it was silly to do this and that, but if it had been a stronger build and they had romped through ,we would probably now be watching the video "Conspiracy - Salomé rigged to be sure of surviving".
Edit: I also think a lot of people are missing that their primary strategy was - avoid interdiction at all costs - it was only if that failed that they would have to defend themselves in PVP combat. I'm sure this is a disappointing strategy for PVP players but this seems to be what they chose.
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This thread almost got back on track with some light hearted humour, but ultimately has become bogged down in negativity, cynicism and a kind of mean spirited slander. I hate to even weigh in because I have a foot in both camps; I genuinely like SDC and their membership, and I consider MassiveD a friend even outside of the game, and the direction this has taken honestly pains me.
Ultimately this whole debate comes down to hatred of SDC. When the facts are stripped down to their component parts, that's really all that's left.
Just a couple thoughts/observations; SDC did a good job at what they do best which is hunting down and murdering people. They should be acknowledged for their solid gameplay, and I say this because I no longer buy that the event was "scripted" in the literal sense so many others are subscribing to. They came out on top, fair and square.
Lining up some book deal and writing an alternative storyline has more fail stamped on it then I know how to properly articulate.
It's time to back off of Drew. This has gone off the rails of good taste.
Sorry guys, im just trying to put my thoughts out there as respectfully as possible. I'm holding back much stronger opinions.
Ultimately this whole debate comes down to hatred of SDC. When the facts are stripped down to their component parts, that's really all that's left.
Just a couple thoughts/observations; SDC did a good job at what they do best which is hunting down and murdering people. They should be acknowledged for their solid gameplay, and I say this because I no longer buy that the event was "scripted" in the literal sense so many others are subscribing to. They came out on top, fair and square.
Lining up some book deal and writing an alternative storyline has more fail stamped on it then I know how to properly articulate.
It's time to back off of Drew. This has gone off the rails of good taste.
Sorry guys, im just trying to put my thoughts out there as respectfully as possible. I'm holding back much stronger opinions.
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