Quince is even more broken than we tought

[kofeyh]

No more intra-system passenger mission stacking at Quince. Checked last night - not a single one. So there must have already been some server-side adjustment to the Quince mission generation system.

Check the faction states, they are probably "none" or another state which impacts mission delivery. Because the BGS affects mission delivery. Don't worry if you don't know that; few people seem to understand cause-and-effect and simply want the effect to be decoupled from the cause - and have no comprehension of how utterly illogical that is.

I'm sure it'll flip again. As it has done. On and off. For a while. If frontier see it as an issue, it's one that's a lower priority than some may want. Doesn't mean a balance pass won't happen at some point.

 

[Alex D]

No, scan missions does not affect your explorer rank as far as I know.
To get better paying missions you will have to rank up with Quince factions. Just keep doing them, better one should pop up.

Thanks - I am already Allied with 2 of them, working on the others

 

[EddyRockSteady]

No more intra-system passenger mission stacking at Quince. Checked last night - not a single one. So there must have already been some server-side adjustment to the Quince mission generation system.

I'm there and getting plenty.

Also another question - does the payout depend on my explorer rank? eg. higher rank, better per mission payout? (I rarely get missions above 1m, most of them are below 500k ea)

Yeah, Elite payouts are about 1.5 mil to 3 mil a mission. Not sure it's limited to Explorer rank though as scan missions don't further explo rank (Edit: Yeah it is exploration rank that scales rewards, ie higher rank higher reward)

 

[Vasea Azure]

Yeah, all tourist missions are gone atm, lots of ppl in the chat saying the same.

 

[chagnampra]

Check the faction states, they are probably "none" or another state which impacts mission delivery...
...I'm sure it'll flip again. As it has done. On and off. For a while. If frontier see it as an issue, it's one that's a lower priority than some may want. Doesn't mean a balance pass won't happen at some point.

When I was last there, the status was 'civil unrest' and there were no such missions; wheresas there were loads of those missions the day before during a civil war! Anyway, I'm bored with the whole Quince thing. I've done plenty of those localised passenger missions, but it's killing my enthusiasm for the rest of the game. So, I'm off to another part of the galaxy to try something different and hopefully rediscover the 'fun-factor' of ED. I'm sure there will be a balance pass, sooner or later. In the meantime, grab those easy credits while you can, CMDRs!

 

[K-NINE]

I think my perspective is not too bad.

I think that you're hanging on by a very thin thread, even if I am sympathetic to some of the points you're raising... [big grin]


There have always been these get rich quick schemes in the game and I bet that there always will be. The way I see it, FD need to cater for at least two distinct types of players: those like you, me and countless others who are in for the long haul and want to experience the ED "journey"; and those who will buy the game, play it for a few weeks/months and then never look at it again. It's the latter group that the get rich quick schemes probably cater nicely for: enabling them to make money and progress quickly up the ship ladder before they quit, perhaps spending significantly more time in the game than they would have otherwise if they had no chance of getting a Conda within a week.


It took me nine months to finally get the Python which had been my dream ship since I first saw it (and before it got clobbered with the nerf bat.) I felt a real sense of achievement and none of the Quince billionaires will ever experience that. Their loss...


With the PS4 crowd about to report for duty, I cannot see FD removing Quince or others like it. I'd bet that a significant portion of these new players will only be interested in getting the biggest ship as quickly as they can. And, frankly: if they can survive the mind-numbing, boring grind at Quince, they're welcome to it. It'll make my PvP more entertaining when they wander into my gunsights.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

The problems rise when people believe things like quince are singular "wrong" outcomes. No. They are entirely valid, based on the rules the BGS uses. There will always be occasional aberrations based on combinations. It's pure statistical chance. Note that as soon as the state changes, those missions dry up, so it's cyclical.

Entirely valid ? How is it valid to have a ship load of passengers that want to visit 3 different places, but if you take them to 1 place, all the missions complete without issue.
Why then can't I have 10 different cargo missions to 10 different destinations and just drop everything off at the first destination and all missions complete ? Same logic. Shall we have that as a game mechanic ? [/QUOTE]

But did you ever stop to ask why people are cheesing Quince? Is it, perhaps, because the missions system needs missions to spawn properly, with relevant credit value, across many disciplines, and yet currently doesn't? Is it because of 'starving' the system of value really anywhere else? You might not see the connection. That's a shame, because anyone else that uses the system will have seen it. And many, in simple exasperation , have reverted to cheesing, because it's all they have left.

You're big on this cheesing thing aren't you? I doubt anyone is sniffing cat's pee here.
You make out as if I'm not aware as to why Quince is as it as, why people go there and that inherently the mission system is flawed and needs a general overhaul. You're not telling me anything new here. If Quince is all they have left then that says a lot about the game and they type of player. I find it a weak excuse too. All they have left ? What in terms of single-minded money making ?
There's more to the game than credit farming and those shallow enough not to see that wasted their money on the game because they'll never get out of it what Elite has to offer.
My fight is for the game to get fixed at some point but at least until then some acknowledgement from Frontier that it's going to be addressed.
The silence right now is deafening. But yes Quince should be locked down in the short term.

The developer has recognised the core mechanics need work. Put the pitchfork down commander, they are going to tackle the base mechanics of the game. This includes missions system. Perhaps, patience and encouragement to the developer, rather than guns, might be the answer.

Yeah announced some hours ago. But that is not until after 2.4 which is quite a way off. Leaving Quince in it's current state until then would be a mistake imo. Tackling the mission system does not assure anyone that situations like the one we have in Quince will be sorted. That would merely be speculation. I've done the patience and encouragement bit for long enough now. Had to take a different route.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

This is no different to griefers' argument that newbie players have themselves to blame for venturing into an anarchy or lawless system and deserved to be killed by veteran players. To use your taxi analogy: is it right or stupid for 3 - a civilian, aid worker or a reporter - to travel to and be killed in a war torn country?

Edit: All 3 have different reasons to be in the war torn country like 3 taxi passengers with different destinations in mind.

It is very different. Griefers get their kicks out of killing other players weaker than themselves. They do it for fun.
Also Anarchy should be a dangerous place but it's a nursery. Clean players don't deserve to be killed by veteran players or any players for that matter. I don't condone griefing in any way. My video was done to make a point whether you agree with the method or not. I'm no griefer (you don't need to point out the video to counter that comment unless you deliberately want to miss the point of my previous sentence).

Your analogy about the war torn country is so out of touch I have no idea where you pulled that one from. The answer to your question is that it's not right for any to be killed. So how to we translate that back the game ? That no passenger missions should complete when visiting any of Quince's tourist beacons ? Your analogy has missed the point.

 

[Alex D]

Yeah, Elite payouts are about 1.5 mil to 3 mil a mission. Not sure it's limited to Explorer rank though as scan missions don't further explo rank (Edit: Yeah it is exploration rank that scales rewards, ie higher rank higher reward)

Thanks for confirming.
I guess I should grind exploration rank then... which probably means going scanning a lot?
Not sure if it's worth the effort then - I would doubled or tripled the mission payouts, but I would need to spend a lot time scanning various systems and selling this data elsewhere.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Thanks for confirming.
I guess I should grind exploration rank then... which probably means going scanning a lot?
Not sure if it's worth the effort then - I would doubled or tripled the mission payouts, but I would need to spend a lot time scanning various systems and selling this data elsewhere.

Run passenger missions in the bubble, unless FD have stopped the pax missions galaxy-wide. That is certainly the best option to gain explo rank at present. If said missions have been clubbed then yeah, jump and scan it is.

Have you unlocked all the engineers yet? That will certainly give you mileage whilst keeping you occupied.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

No, I think you've lost all perspective. It's now you versus frontier. And that's spilled over to "making a point" and attention seeking. Something that has nothing to do with the problem and everything to do with having a tantrum that the developer hasn't responded within some arbitrary time frame. I think petulant behaviour doesn't really do much to further your concerns. It's also highly redundant.

You can think what you want, it doesn't make you right. Me vs Frontier ? Hardly. I'm not the only one who thinks Quince is an open wound.
But I am the only one who did something controversial about it. That doesn't suddenly put me on my own in feeling this way.
I seek the attention of no-one except to get some acknowledgement or statement from FDev regarding Quince. That's all.
You might not consider the time frame important but I think it is. I think you lack the need and passion for this game to be better.
You'd rather just sit back and wait for it all to magically fix.... whenever. Well not everyone thinks like you and that's a good thing otherwise we'd just all be laying back with a beer saying "Yeah Frontier, fix this whenever you can, no rush, take your time."
I'd put my passion for the game against yours any day of the week.

I'm sorry but if your reaction to the developer not moving to meet your timetable, is to just go gank random people who are simply playing the game as it stands; I can only presume this is personal, illogical religious zeal at this point. Indiscriminate killing of commanders won't change jack, by the way. Nor should it. If they jumped every time someone "made a video" of murdering people because of some protest, they would never get anything done.

Perhaps take a break?

I don't have a timetable. An actual acknowledgement from Frontier would be enough. Doesn't have to come down on my side either, but just something either way. See you really know me like you think you do.
You're forgetting something here too. I also just played the game as it stands. I also played the game how I wanted to play it. Lets not introduce double standards here just because 8 CMDRs had to re-buy. CMDR rebuys from non consensual PvP is a daily occurrence.
This time though it wasn't for kicks and giggles. You don't have to agree with the method but it would be something if you agreed to the reason - not that I need you to.
You don't know whether things will change or not. Pure speculation. Frontier don't have to jump here. They just have to acknowledge. 43 pages in that we have silence from them.

I'll take a break if I choose to. I'd rather stick around and continue to push for the game to be better than it is.
BTW despite the in-game message. No-one gets murdered in Elite. Which is why you get a re-buy screen. Tis but a minor inconvenience so lets not make it any bigger than that.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

An actual acknowledgement from Frontier would be enough...

Already happened 3 days ago insofar as passenger missions are concerned.

 

[Crank Larson]

But that is not until after 2.4 which is quite a way off. Leaving Quince in it's current state until then would be a mistake imo.

As you have pointed out, ever since E: D was released there have been regular goldmines due to unforeseen consequences of the BGS (and bugs). FD apparently applied some changes to prevent stacking in 2.3, though no-one has really noticed (as you are still able to stack up to 20 missions if they are available). However, stacking isn't really the issue anyway.

Many people agree with you that the mission mechanics need fixing. I would love to fly down to Komala Rewards and actually have to visit several installations to complete my missions. I don't relog to flip the mission boards, and I don't suicidewinder (what's the point, the trip between planet and space station is quite enjoyable, and takes a couple of minutes). So, I am not exploiting any mechanics at all, I am simply using the mechanics as they are presented to me. The most I will ever do to try and get more missions is sit in the space station for twenty minutes to see if the board rotates (i.e. I just do something else for 20 minutes!) - this is also not exploiting anything, I hope you would agree.

This really isn't a game-breaking issue, which is no doubt why FD aren't prioritising it (but it is on their list to address). The people demanding that Quince be locked down really do seem to be in the minority, based on the forum postings I've seen. I haven't yet seen one reasonable argument to support that action.

In short - yes, we want the mission system fixed. But there is no need for a knee-jerk reaction in the meantime just to pander to the requests of very few, but very vocal, players.

 

[Omega Fighter]

Since Fd does nothing about this there is nothing stoping us to do something. Plenty of targets in open and i am suprised how much risk some cmdrs take.

[video=youtube_share;TZiWKlbmK6Y]https://youtu.be/TZiWKlbmK6Y[/video]

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

Why your worried about whats in the other guys bank account is beyond me, it does not directly affect you(oh boohoo there are more condas) therefore i can only come to the conclusion your throwing a fit cause YOU dont like it, hate to tell ya but what you dont like dousnt matter in the grand scheme of things, I think the whole quince issue is stupid, just a bunch of whiny people worrying about what the other kids toy collection is

Have you done ANY prior reading before posting this ? This has very little to do with what's in another guys bank account. If you don't understand that yet then I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. Read some of my previous posts and I'll hope you click with one of them.

Boohoo there are more Conda's ? Really ? How is that even a thing ?
What I don't like Mr Fractal Shard is a broken game. What I like or don't like does matter. It might not matter to you but I don't need for it for matter to you. I serioously doubt you will get Frontier claiming their players views don't matter and I'm not alone here with this view. I just stand out for a brief moment because people can't get over themselves about a video where 8 CMDRs had to spend some of their easy earned cash on a rebuy or two.

The whole Quince issue isn't stupid. You just can't see the bigger picture. You're blind to it and reason why people are critical of it. It's oh so easy just to claim whining but these are legitimate issues about the game and Quince is the current centrepiece of a wider issue. This has nothing to do with 'another kids toy collection' and it says a lot about what your interest for the game when you want to trivialise it in such an inaccurate way.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I'm there and getting plenty.



Yeah, Elite payouts are about 1.5 mil to 3 mil a mission. Not sure it's limited to Explorer rank though as scan missions don't further explo rank (Edit: Yeah it is exploration rank that scales rewards, ie higher rank higher reward)

Thanks for confirming.
I guess I should grind exploration rank then... which probably means going scanning a lot?
Not sure if it's worth the effort then - I would doubled or tripled the mission payouts, but I would need to spend a lot time scanning various systems and selling this data elsewhere.

But surely missions aren't locked behind the ranks anymore (since when, I can't quite remember.., about 2.1 I think). They might state "Elite" in the mission description, but you can still find and take these whatever your rank, they're mostly just suggestions now.

Unless rank somehow determines what appears...

However, I definitely see missions on a regular basis in the bubble where it states: (This contract exceeds your ... rank).

 

[dognosh]

Have you done ANY prior reading before posting this ? This has very little to do with what's in another guys bank account. If you don't understand that yet then I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. Read some of my previous posts and I'll hope you click with one of them.

Boohoo there are more Conda's ? Really ? How is that even a thing ?
What I don't like Mr Fractal Shard is a broken game. What I like or don't like does matter. It might not matter to you but I don't need for it for matter to you. I serioously doubt you will get Frontier claiming their players views don't matter and I'm not alone here with this view. I just stand out for a brief moment because people can't get over themselves about a video where 8 CMDRs had to spend some of their easy earned cash on a rebuy or two.

The whole Quince issue isn't stupid. You just can't see the bigger picture. You're blind to it and reason why people are critical of it. It's oh so easy just to claim whining but these are legitimate issues about the game and Quince is the current centrepiece of a wider issue. This has nothing to do with 'another kids toy collection' and it says a lot about what your interest for the game when you want to trivialise it in such an inaccurate way.

Serious question here : Would you have taken this attitude if you had no credits ?
(you stated on forums that you're a Billionaire : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-need-a-nerf?p=5360788&viewfull=1#post5360788 )

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

I was watching your video and was also thinking "ok he is frustrated, ED lets him kill like this,so it's ok. He ,for some reason, doesn't like others using Quince"

What is so hard to understand here? This is less about the pilots who use and acquire things in Quince and more about the actual broken game mechanis that allow it and continue to not be acknowledged by Frontier as an issue. Why are people always focusing on what other people are doing as if that's the main problem here ??

Then I read winter jarsa's post,and your reply(which was a deflection) and lost all respect and interest in your plight !

Let me tell you what actually happened... You read his post, failed to see mine as you incorrectly concluded it was a deflection when it was nothng but factual, then you claim you lost respect and interest in something you probably had little to no respect or interest for in the first place.
Lets be real here. I don't need your respect or interest on this.

 

[CMDR Rusty Dog]

Already happened 3 days ago insofar as passenger missions are concerned.

Can you point me to that Eddy please ? Thx.

 

[dognosh]

What is so hard to understand here? This is less about the pilots who use and acquire things in Quince and more about the actual broken game mechanis that allow it and continue to not be acknowledged by Frontier as an issue. Why are people always focusing on what other people are doing as if that's the main problem here ??



Let me tell you what actually happened... You read his post, failed to see mine as you incorrectly concluded it was a deflection when it was nothng but factual, then you claim you lost respect and interest in something you probably had little to no respect or interest for in the first place.
Lets be real here. I don't need your respect or interest on this.

Good, because you still don't have my respect, mainly because you think you are right and I am wrong.
It isn't about right or wrong,and it is none of your business how anyone plays ED, unless you paid for their game?
Get over it, go kill Cmdrs, or not, who cares....