General / Off-Topic Regarding violent extremism in the USA

[lysan]

Do you have any examples?

Not saying there is no such violence, just wondering what it is. Hippy pacificist liberal feminist "s" are not really noted for aggression, which is the general root of violence.

well, the antifa is not all love and hugs are they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

I'm curious too, about these progressive attacks. Knifings and mass shootings one supposes.

Or does Lysander feel that they are emotionally attacking him perhaps.

You're just blinded by hate to those who are different from you, i know that, so you're a lost case.
However expect that people will give back of what they receive.

Tree spiking comes to mind as a particularly violent tactic that has been used by certain left-wing environmentalist extremists. Though I think they disavowed the tactic after the first human casualty.

There were some violent protests following the recent Presidential election in the United States though, to be honest, most of that violence was directed at inanimate objects (breaking windows for example) and not toward harming people.

Oh then all is good then? alrighty... carry on.

 

[FuzzySpider]

well, the antifa is not all love and hugs are they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

The alt-left and far left are not the progressive left, just as the rational right (arguing for a smaller state and capitalism) are not the alt-right (arguing for nationalism and white supremacism).

An example of alt-left is George Galloway.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1442/news

Most on the progressive left find him as distasteful as I'm sure you find Steve Bannon.

 

[Jaiotu]

Another example of leftist violence can be seen in the case of former UC Berkeley professor Ted Kaczynski, AKA "The Unabomber". He espoused a philosophy of anti-industrialism and the return to a more basic eco-friendly anarchic lifestyle. His bombs killed 3 and injured 23.

 

[lysan]

The alt-left and far left are not the progressive left, just as the rational right (arguing for a smaller state and capitalism) are not the alt-right (arguing for nationalism and white supremacism).

An example of alt-left is George Galloway.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1442/news

Most on the progressive left find him as distasteful as I'm sure you find Steve Bannon.

ok, lets just say left and right for the sake of the argument

 

[lysan]

The alt-left and far left are not the progressive left, just as the rational right (arguing for a smaller state and capitalism) are not the alt-right (arguing for nationalism and white supremacism).

An example of alt-left is George Galloway.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1442/news

Most on the progressive left find him as distasteful as I'm sure you find Steve Bannon.

I'm an Independant, and no I do not like SB or what he stands for, however I can defend his right to speak, and will also fight for that right, just as I will defend any non violent lefty's right to speak freely.

 

[Jaiotu]

Most on the progressive left find him as distasteful as I'm sure you find Steve Bannon.

Steve Bannon is a patriot. I keep a picture of him around just for inspiration:

Spoiler

 

[lysan]

Steve Bannon is a patriot. I keep a picture of him around just for inspiration:

Spoiler

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f4/5c/0a/f45c0a6ac0b520eef0852c9d47b7daff.jpg

Repped for the dune ref.

 

[Jaiotu]

Repped for the dune ref.

Wait. That's not Bannon?

 

[FuzzySpider]

I'm an Independant, and no I do not like SB or what he stands for, however I can defend his right to speak, and will also fight for that right, just as I will defend any non violent lefty's right to speak freely.

Smaller government? More personal freedom? Lower taxes? Less collectivism?

You're on the right wing. There is nothing wrong with that. There are a lot of people on the right who are to be admired even if we disagree with them (John McCain for example). Your claim that the "progressive left" are violent is wrong though.

 

[Adept]

Another example of leftist violence can be seen in the case of former UC Berkeley professor Ted Kaczynski, AKA "The Unabomber". He espoused a philosophy of anti-industrialism and the return to a more basic eco-friendly anarchic lifestyle. His bombs killed 3 and injured 23.

And this is your idea of terrorism by the present day progressives? Seriously?

 

[Jaiotu]

And this is your idea of terrorism by the present day progressives? Seriously?

Had Kaczynski remained in his role of Professor at UCG and espoused his views merely academically instead of attempting to draw attention to them through violence then he would probably be heralded today as a left-wing progressive icon. He chose violence instead and is condemned by both sides of the political spectrum. His case is very rare in that he, as a "lefty" specifically targeted human beings intentionally.

As I indicated in my earlier posts most extreme left-wing violence is directed toward inanimate objects or infrastructure. There have been some examples of attacks by progressives against ultra right wing protestors but it's very difficult to determine who actually initiated the encounter.

I'm certainly not saying that there is a 1:1 comparison between violence on the left an violence on the right.

 

[Adept]

That's better. I'd just like to draw your attention still to the fact that Progressives =/= the far left. Those are not the same people.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Please don't take this in the wrong way Adept my friend, but how much time have you actually spent in the US?

I've lived here for nearly a decade now, and it's much, much different than you may believe.

 

[lysan]

Smaller government? More personal freedom? Lower taxes? Less collectivism?

You're on the right wing. There is nothing wrong with that. There are a lot of people on the right who are to be admired even if we disagree with them (John McCain for example). Your claim that the "progressive left" are violent is wrong though.

John McCain is a ^%!#$!^ Oh did i say that I didn't like him? well I don't.

Smaller government? More personal freedom? Lower taxes? Less collectivism

YES TO ALL OF IT

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

How about just condemning violent people? It's not the idea themselves that are generally at fault for the violence. Any idea, in the hands of a particularly unstable individual, can be used to kindle the fires of violence. I'm not particularly fond of the "thought police" and the criminalization of ideas. If your ideas lead you to violent acts or to incite others to violence then, yeah, you've got a problem.

This works for me.

 

[Jaiotu]

That's better. I'd just like to draw your attention still to the fact that Progressives =/= the far left. Those are not the same people.

That's a generalization. On a Venn diagram you would have some people that fall into both groups. That's really not my point though. My point is that individuals can be prone to violence regardless of the ideology. We should judge ideas on their own merit and not based on what an individual or a group of individuals who share those ideas do.

For instance: racism. It would still be a bad idea even if the supporters of those ideas were totally peaceful.

 

[lysan]

That's a generalization. On a Venn diagram you would have some people that fall into both groups. That's really not my point though. My point is that individuals can be prone to violence regardless of the ideology. We should judge ideas on their own merit and not based on what an individual or a group of individuals who share those ideas do.

For instance: racism. It would still be a bad idea even if the supporters of those ideas were totally peaceful.

Well, you can't be a racist and peaceful, at some point you will be violent or aggressive, believe me I know as one who has been married to a "dark skinned person for many decades.

Remarks like, "where did you buy her?" instantly triggers me into combat mode, there are no return from that, they will be erased from my "instant" don't care if they are old friends or even family. If I truly hate someone, it's racists.