General / Off-Topic London Under Siege
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Today, Theresa declared : "If it is necessary to change the laws on human rights, we shall make it, if the fight against the terrorism requires it" --- I agree that to pray with the flag of the islamic state in the central of London, far exceeds the human rights
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Religions are, effectively,ideologies. I have no problem saying this even as a religious person myself. And if you are claiming that RADICALLY criticizing it for its content has anything to do with racism because a number of Muslims have darker skin it's as stupid as logical fallacies can get. Like... seriously?!
I don't have such a degree, but I read quite a lot about Islamic doctrine. And of course, your post did not address my point.
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Yesterday there was the obligatory minute of silence in my office. What a load of . It is perfectly useless to remember the victims without doing anything to prevent this from happening again, without pointing out the ideology from where this particular slant of terrorism comes from.
We cannot win if we don't know ourselves and we don't know our enemy, yet who speaks against it is branded as "racist" and "islamophobe" (whatever such a pointless neologism may mean).
This kinda of do-goody nonsense makes me want to puke. Politicall correctness KILLS.
We cannot win if we don't know ourselves and we don't know our enemy, yet who speaks against it is branded as "racist" and "islamophobe" (whatever such a pointless neologism may mean).
This kinda of do-goody nonsense makes me want to puke. Politicall correctness KILLS.
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The flag ISIS use, is the Shahada. It literally just says "There is no god but Allah". The Shahada has long been a pretty important part of Islam. Telling people not to use it is like telling Catholics to not wear a Crucifix because the IRA call themselves Catholic.
Yaffle
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No, it's the exact opposite. Much of what The Bad Guys want is the removal of the rights we enjoy, those rights are what make us the people we are. Removing Patrick68000's rights would not stop anything, but it will make a jihadist very happy, and allow your leader to read your e-mail. better hope you've never said anything bad about Mr Macron...
In France, the ostentatious religious signs are forbidden in the public space. Nothing shocking to me in the statement of Theresa May. On the contrary, I approve. The religions must be subjected to the rule of law
They are. Writing new laws to persecute religious people is a very dangerous path to take. It's been tried a few times throughout history and it never ended well..
Instead of nut job extremists being shooty/stabby. You end up forcing the hand of an entire population of people who will want to fight for the right to exist as they have done for centuries.
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verminstar
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TM back on target...started losing her there but this I could support absolutely. The biggest obstacle is the political correct brigade who harp on about human rights...ye think these guys care about human rights? No...they do not which is why its literally impossible to beat them when they simply dont play by the rules and everyone else does.
Expect to see the tree huggers jump all over this one...they win and this gets worse. Talk about blind leading the blind ^
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-of-london-a7775246.html?cmpid=facebook-post
This sums up the spirit of london. Nice one son...
This sums up the spirit of london. Nice one son...
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France is a laïc country since 1905. No problems with this. The religions are under the laws of the Republic. It's normal
verminstar
Banned
Against an entire religion, I agree but this is just a violent off shoot of a religion much in the same way those cults in the US do not represent the normal christian faith. Nobody from a christian background lost much sleep when those cults were literally torn apart, so why would normal muslims be overly worried about going after their extremeists? They should be helping if nothing else.
While not remotely condoning football hooliganism I have to say that the exchange ...
"This if for Allah!"
"F you I'm Millwall"
Did make me laugh out loud on the train this morning.
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Yaffle
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For the avoidance of doubt, ordinary Muslims ARE going against the abhorrent minority who use the religion as a name to perpetrate their particular brand of hate. Just because the Daily Mail and Breitbart fail to report it because it sits ill with their weird view of the world does not mean it does not happen. Witness, for example, refusal to bury/do prayers for them, many Muslims coming forward to say they reported at least some of these guys, press releases from mosques, the Muslim Council etc.
Well if we wake up to Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister.......
Yaffle
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I heard him on the radio yesterday, it made me laugh too. A brave guy.
Verminstar, one of these Jihadis was on national television on a program called "Jihadis next door". He unfurled an ISIS flag in a public park, in front of TV cameras, that was broadcast over the nation. If Jihadis are cleverly evading the authorities by appearing in documentaries about jihadis with the word jihadi in the title then there is something wrong with the authorities, not the legal framework the authorities operate under. (Incidentally, the fact the authorities failed to get this idiot before he acted casts a lot of doubt on their claim they foil dozens of terrorist plots all the time.)
Legal experts have said there is nothing in the human rights laws that is preventing the authorities from acting on terrorism. Nothing. If the police believe that you're up to no good they can arrest and investigate.
Terrorism is already illegal, and nowhere in the HRA does it say that it's ok to be a terrorist. New laws on the matter just won't do anything:
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/871426882385870848
They need resources, and better community policing. Not more powers.
verminstar
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Then Gerry Adams will be the first to congratulate his new best buddy...
It depends on how you go about it. Would you give up the freedoms and rights you currently enjoy to allow the government more control over your life and personal details?
Realistically, as has been stated, the actual risk to the everyday person is quite low. Yes, what happened was utterly horrific, but look at the numbers you aren't actually in any more danger than what you would be driving to work, yet we're not terrified of driving to work. If you give up your liberties, the terrorists have won.
Well if the police had turned up in the middle of that documentary and carted him off you would have been the first one on this forum memoaning his 'human rights' and harping on about how evil all us British are for being anti-islamic.