Rant aside , alot of people use it to see gameplay footage not for the reviews. If im interested in a game i'll check out gameplay footage from several sources and base MY opionion on that. I also watch some short documentaries on YT when nothing is interesting on TV , theres a shopping list of reasons why people watch and post on youtube. Your over generalisation of the entire site is no better than some of these idiots you claim use it.
Youtuber Kornelius Briedis seems to have had it with Fdevs
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Rant aside , alot of people use it to see gameplay footage not for the reviews. If im interested in a game i'll check out gameplay footage from several sources and base MY opionion on that. I also watch some short documentaries on YT when nothing is interesting on TV , theres a shopping list of reasons why people watch and post on youtube. Your over generalisation of the entire site is no better than some of these idiots you claim use it.
Maybe. And I have watched a video or twenty in my time, by people who don't act like overgrown 5 year-olds, that have some production value to them as well, but never as a means of deciding if I want to play something or not. I generally know what sorts of things I like, and am pretty adept at searching for things on the internet. And most game studios and/or publishers are pretty good about creating their own content to showcase their products.
Saving money? Not quite sure how that works though.. I can honestly say I've never bought a bad game, or one I didn't enjoy, and I have quite a library to be sure. And what's a game? $60? I spend more than that on a bottle of Scotch or wine. I spend more than that on gas every week. I follow exactly zero people. I subscribe to zero channels. I don't need any of that.
The problem is when some of these individuals have month after month, and year after year, carefully and diligently document fairly fundamental issues, problems and oversights with ED, before then in truth, "Giving up..."
It's no coincidence I believe we've recently seen more negativity on the forums that ever. We're not a few months into ED, but over 2.5 years in. We're not at the end of the first season, but now the second.
I think there's a significant number of players who expected the game to have grown in a different way over the last two years. I believe there's a significant number of players who look at the releases over the past two years and scratch their heads at the design choices being made, and wonder why some rather questionable content has made it from the design meetings to the game in the form it has, let alone in place of the core improvement the game has been crying out for for all that time... So given this point in time, I think some of these worries are hitting home!
Is it a coincidence given such unrest at the questionable development directions/outcomes, that we now have an official announcement of core enhancements?
So does it matter if a significant ED youtuber stops playing? No! Is it significant if maybe it's part of a far more significant matter/problem? IMHO yes!
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Pretty sure those are not unfounded claims - and see above - finding gameplay footage doesn't usually require anything more than the publisher's or game's own website, as this is pretty commonplace these days.
I've seen more than a few "Watch Me Play" videos (my son falls into the category of people who can't make a decision without someone else's opinion on it, and as a result has a Steam library of nearly 1100 titles he doesn't play). And he always asks me "Why don't you have any bad games?". Well, I think the answer is obvious.
As for what's on TV... I know what I want to watch - I watch Lucifer. I watch The Walking Dead. I watch Dark Matter. I watch The Expanse (though it's gotten a bit dull of late). That's it.
The rest of the time, I don't watch it. I might put something on Netflix I want to see or see again, but otherwise, I haven't just put on the TV to play "Let's see what's out there" in 20 years.
The biggest part of it is... if you couldn't tell... I hate, absolutely hate, commercials. I'd rather not watch than have to see an ad.
Publishers own content, you mean like the videos FD made showcasing the gameplay in elite that was wholly unrepresentative of the actual gameplay? Yeh i think i'll stick to user created content.
More like Frontier Livestreams that are entirely representative - right down to the of a player trying to disrupt the livestream content like the occasional jack@ss yelling "*** her in the *****" at the news crews.
I've not lived this long and not figured out that advertising is made to always show the best possible, and usually unrealistic to set expectations higher than they should be.
No small secret there.
So, you play for the graphics and shallow gameplay... You had 2.5 years of that, now its important that the game grow as a game and not as a tech demo.
Youtuber with 14k subscribers...
Obsidian Ant 84k Subscribers...
You know it is just possible that Elite isn't for that specific person? using them as a 'shame on you' really doesn't say much, and no, Elite isn't perfect, but one youtuber really doesn't say that much, it really depends, but you have to remember that youtubers are just people, and yeah, can't blame them for running dry on a game, but again, consider maybe how much he has played? it is entirely possible to play a game too much, and as such it runs dry?
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FD have used content creators as one of their primary avenues for promotion since release, not sure how sure of you have missed this...
Ever heard of Kerrash? Some of you may remember the launch of Elite and how they featured live gameplay from himself and a few others live on stage.
I could go on but its pretty obvious how essential content creators are for promotion of games at the moment.
Bottom line is many people do not trust some random presenter or random promotional video to give them an honest appraisal of a game and instead use their favourite, most trusted streamer/youtuber to sum up whether or not a game is worth buying into.
The loss of one youtuber is ofc not a huge deal but if you think Fdev do not care about this kind of promotion you could not be more wrong.
Ever heard of Kerrash? Some of you may remember the launch of Elite and how they featured live gameplay from himself and a few others live on stage.
I could go on but its pretty obvious how essential content creators are for promotion of games at the moment.
Bottom line is many people do not trust some random presenter or random promotional video to give them an honest appraisal of a game and instead use their favourite, most trusted streamer/youtuber to sum up whether or not a game is worth buying into.
The loss of one youtuber is ofc not a huge deal but if you think Fdev do not care about this kind of promotion you could not be more wrong.
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Since when has £500 - £800 been within the price realm of "disposable"? Maybe for the privileged, as it appears you are, but for most people, £800 is a considerable amount of money. And yeah, ooh, consumerism is bad, power to the people etc... etc... but none of your diatribe changes the facts, no matter how hard you want it to.
Why yes they are.
They all started out with player bases of 8million plus for a few years. We have only sold at most 2 million copies on steam and at best 90k players actually log in over the course of 2 weeks. So its like comparing apples to A Box truck. There is no comparison other than the fact they exist on earth. Same with ED. Eve is a click and wait RTS style combat game. It is not real time nor is it action oriented in any way.
this man understands.
Some rather pathetic posters in this thread, acting like KB is just some random poster. He single handedly sold more copies than any player here outside of Obsidian Ant. His videos informed a huge portion of the player base on how to do things, information about weapons, shields, engines, pitch speeds, etc.
Waving him and the well-enumerated concerns that he had (concerns that a great number of posters here have articulated over and over again for literally years) off like he's just some random guy like some of you is shockingly embarrassing.
Do better.
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Then let's start with you. How many people did YOU convince to buy this game?
I'll wait.
And I'll bet that KB's videos helped sell more. He's one of the reasons I bought in.
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It's pedantic but it's your claim. You need to back it up. Which means comparisson against all players. Not just the one you replied to.
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Firstly, I'm not claiming my opinion on ED is important, so the number of people I've brought in is irrelevant.
Secondly, you're changing the goalposts here - from 'single handedly' [sic] to 'helped' - and even then you've provided details of precisely ONE person whose opinion KB influenced. Now maybe that's enough to put him in second place, behind OA, but...
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Yup. Well summed up.
KB tutorial videos are very well done and likely the best among one can get.
Steam don't matter
Reviews don't matter
Press don't matter
Blogs don't matter
People quitting don't matter
Where is everyone ?
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As has been stated countless times already, it's symptomatic of an issue long-discussed here.
Hand-waving things is not a great way to hold onto your player base. Unfortuantely, that's what FDev has been doing and a large part of the reason so many on the forums are frustrated. I hope FDev does do better going forward, as does everyone. But the acting like things have been fine has to stop. There's a new thread about frustrations with credits or exploration or AI or CGs or crime & punishment or multi-crew implementation or dependency on 3rd party applications and website or or or...every week if not every day.
It pains me that some of you manage to not "get it". But then again, you guys aren't the devs (thank god) and it appears that they are planning to do something about it. Even if it is 3 years later, at least some depth will arrive.
It really bothers me. His research videos and tutorials were big helps to a great many people and viewed thousands of times.
He may be the #1 contributor of EDUCATIONAL content to the ED community on YouTube. But now that he's stopped playing (at least for now) I suppose it's time to pretend he didn't exist. It's just pathetic and I certainly hope FDev isn't as self-centered or as arrogant as some of these posters. I'm almost ashamed to have to share a forum with some of these folks. Just so very disappointing.
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