FDev, you just upset a *lot* of people.

[4fast5me]

Are you really suggesting 60% of users on this forum are 'serial combat loggers'?

If I were to put a serious estimate on those numbers I'd say approximately 20%. Many of them openly flaunting it.

Explain to me how that can happen. How can a group of people openly rejoice in front of the developer about their use of a known exploit, one that the developers have previously called a bannable offence and nothing be done? Answer me that question honestly.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

From what I'm gathering so far, the manner in which you've conducted your exploit punishment have been nothing less than extremely clumsy. Instead of only removing the rolls which were exploited, you've also elected to remove anything that might have been a legitimate roll. What you're literally telling us is "We know you cheated, but since we can't tell which module you cheated to upgrade, we're taking this sledgehammer to everything we think might have been exploited." I'm seeing a lot of people having lost their legitimately upgraded modules... and some performed the exploit once out of curiosity.

You're losing players pulling this stuff, guys. It's bad enough you guys took said sledgehammer to anything that looked suspicious, but according to reddit posts some people still have their exploited modules.

I'm really glad I didn't let my curiosity get the better of me... I probably would have had my FAS wiped from existence if I had from ONE module.

[EDIT] Since some people would rather not actually read the thread and see that I attempted to clarify, I might as well add this in. I jumped the gun and posted this believing that any roll viewed as "suspect" would be targeted. I didn't spend a month dedicated to engineering my FAS in all aspects to have it dedicated over a false positive, you know. But obviously as more information has come out it seems FDev have a way of actually tracking these things, so... I tried admitting to the mistake, but nobody's actually READING the thread.

Y'all really like to resort to immediate derision and vitriol to any opinion you don't like though, do you? What a nice bunch you are.

you posted in haste, saw you made an error and edited post admitting to the mistake. that takes guts that not many seem to have, along with ability to set aside your pride which even fewer seem to have. repped for that.

 

[AnotherVoice]

Perhaps they disagree with your assessment in some way? I wouldn't know - I'm not a dev.

Perhaps combat logging is a different issue (hint: it is) which comes with a different set of challenges in identifying?

FD have taken action on one, very narrow, developer-confirmed exploit that has a big impact on gameplay. It's clear that working out which modules were tainted was a trivial task for them. Perhaps this is the wrong thread to be whining about other undesirable bahaviour?

I don't get what's so hard to understand, why do people keep comparing engineer exploit and combat logging when they are so far away from each other from a technical point of view

 

[lenna]

Repeated clogging in combat situations will be something the Karma system tracks, If it is introduced.

As will the other two behaviours

But for now, if anyone feels strongly about clogging/griefing/ganking then they should report the offending players and let FD deal with the cases as they feel is appropriate rather than whining in these forums about being subjected to said behaviours.

 

[MarkAusten]

Are you surprised?

It's that way in all competitive games I ever played. The big "pillars of the community" clans/guilds/player groups are those who cheat the most.

The competitive nature of those players basically forces them to cheat. To stay competitive they have to taking every possible advantage and the affirmative echo chamber does the rest.
Some - maybe many - might not even want to cheat, but peer pressure will push them over or they leave the group.

Sir, you jest. Nobody is forced to cheat in a computer game. Players cheat because they are cheaters no more no less. There are plenty, dare I say the majority, of players who play the game yet do not cheat.

No-one and nothing is forcing them to cheat. Not the RNG, nor the so called grind, nor the competitive nature of the game, nothing but their own nature which is to cheat.

Now they pay.

 

[4fast5me]

Perhaps they disagree with your assessment in some way? I wouldn't know - I'm not a dev.

Perhaps combat logging is a different issue (hint: it is) which comes with a different set of challenges in identifying?

FD have taken action on one, very narrow, developer-confirmed exploit that has a big impact on gameplay. It's clear that working out which modules were tainted was a trivial task for them. Perhaps this is the wrong thread to be whining about other undesirable bahaviour?

You know what is also a trivial task to identify? When people on your official forum openly admit to combat logging.

 

[William J Smith]

Now I'm back from work(real life work that is... curse curse the need to earn money [mad])

And lightly skimmed through the rest of this thread (while trying not to go HA HA at everyone complaining about module removal)

A thought has occoured to me (rare I know, but it does happen)

How about a reward for those of us who did'nt use the exploit?

Such as valve came up with for TF2
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cheater's_Lament

How about it Fdev..... a nice golden halo bobblehead or something?

Bill

Or better yet..... anti-thargoid armor... means you'll survive for an extra second when facing a Thargoid fleet

 

[DaveB]

So, who's going to hang outside the professor's pad, to see who turns up in a hurry ?

[video=youtube;3fcaXmpZydI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fcaXmpZydI[/video]

 

[Han_Zen]

As will the other two behaviours

But for now, if anyone feels strongly about clogging/griefing/ganking then they should report the offending players and let FD deal with the cases as they feel is appropriate rather than whining in these forums about being subjected to said behaviours.

I have been negative towards the Karma system, but I'm starting change my mind.

After todays events I belive FD has the data and skill to make it a good system.

 

[Vasious]

Obviously 50 odd pages late but I am not surprised someone who cheated would post about the unfairness of consequences.
After all why wouldn't someone who cheats feel entitled to what ever they felt they should have .

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Wow this is just the thread that keeps on giving, so many muppets complaining; lets spell it out: cheatings BAD m'kay...

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

You know what is also a trivial task to identify? When people on your official forum openly admit to combat logging.

Actually - you DO sound a bit upset. Isn't this a moment to rejoice? FD have taken steps to enforce rules. I think that should make us be a bit more optimistic about how they handle rule breaking.

 

[Han Zulu]

Don't worry, this will hit them in the wallets for sure. They don't do anything about combat loggers. They don't do anything about people who used cheats in open play PvP (I still see people in open I know 100% used to use shield hacks) but people use an exploit to lessen the garbage engineer grind and they finally decide this is the time to take a stand?

Just about everyone I have talked to is walking away from the game now. This will hurt everyone, including the non-PvP crowd.

Enjoy the emptiness of open play because a large portion of the players who frequent open are quitting.

Hence I bought my second copy of the game from the Oculus store. I will now play two different careers. The new one in PvP, since FDev is finally taking a stand for fairness and against cheating. You left. I bought a new copy. It's a break even.

 

[Ozric]

You know what is also a trivial task to identify? When people on your official forum openly admit to combat logging.

Well they've identified people who have openly admitted to using this exploit (and the ones who haven't) and have taken action. As I know you are aware, identifying combat logging is trickier and you can't just take someone posting on a forum to say they're done (or not done as has been proven today) something as a reason to punish them.

One step at a time.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Sir, you jest. Nobody is forced to cheat in a computer game. Players cheat because they are cheaters no more no less. …

What I wrote might have been not clear enough.

What I meant is that there is a type of player whose mindset is so focused on winning that sooner or later those players will cheat just to win - it's in their nature, the way they tick, call it what you want - cheaters gonna cheat if you will.

They want to win at all cost and this mindset ultimately results in them cheating if there is no other legitimate method left for them to stay competitive. That's what I meant - their own competitive nature forces them to cheat. No external force, they are forcing themselves to cheat.

I hope what I wrote is now more understandable.

 

[Karunamon]

I'm seeing a lot of people having lost their legitimately upgraded modules... and some performed the exploit once out of curiosity.

They can suck it up and not cheat next time. If I had my druthers, anyone doing this would have be banned.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

What I wrote might have been not clear enough.

What I meant is that there is a type of player whose mindset is so focused on winning that sooner or later those players will cheat just to win - it's in their nature, the way they tick, call it what you want - cheaters gonna cheat if you will.

They want to win at all cost and this mindset ultimately results in them cheating if there is no other legitimate method left for them to stay competitive. That's what I meant - their own competitive nature forces them to cheat. No external force, they are forcing themselves to cheat.

I hope what I wrote is now more understandable.

It is like the real world, man. You can earn money through cheating - and you suffer the consequences if you get caught.

 

[Obsidian Ant]

Note to self..

Watch Obsidian Ant's Stream this week...

Incidentally, my next few videos will be from a brand new account...

 

[Saool]

Yes OP. They just very mildly upset me. That punishment was very very light. Far too lenient in my mind.

Fortunately I am a big supporter of both FDEV and ED so I will get over it, given 10 mins and a good cup of tea.

Incidentally, my next few videos will be from a brand new account...

Opel Thargoid confirmed.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Waitwut?

PVP Pro-Bros actually announced they were quitting the game over this!?!?

Where? Oh I need to see that!