FDev, you just upset a *lot* of people.

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From what I'm gathering so far, the manner in which you've conducted your exploit punishment have been nothing less than extremely clumsy. Instead of only removing the rolls which were exploited, you've also elected to remove anything that might have been a legitimate roll. What you're literally telling us is "We know you cheated, but since we can't tell which module you cheated to upgrade, we're taking this sledgehammer to everything we think might have been exploited." I'm seeing a lot of people having lost their legitimately upgraded modules... and some performed the exploit once out of curiosity.

You're losing players pulling this stuff, guys. It's bad enough you guys took said sledgehammer to anything that looked suspicious, but according to reddit posts some people still have their exploited modules.

I'm really glad I didn't let my curiosity get the better of me... I probably would have had my FAS wiped from existence if I had from ONE module.

[EDIT] Since some people would rather not actually read the thread and see that I attempted to clarify, I might as well add this in. I jumped the gun and posted this believing that any roll viewed as "suspect" would be targeted. I didn't spend a month dedicated to engineering my FAS in all aspects to have it dedicated over a false positive, you know. But obviously as more information has come out it seems FDev have a way of actually tracking these things, so... I tried admitting to the mistake, but nobody's actually READING the thread.

Y'all really like to resort to immediate derision and vitriol to any opinion you don't like though, do you? What a nice bunch you are. :p

Frankly I think cheaters got off lightly. They could have been busted down to harmless as well.
 
Frankly I think cheaters got off lightly. They could have been busted down to harmless as well.

If it were up to me - I'd have bumped them all to Elite everything, unlocked all engineers, given them a billion cubed cubed credits, the entire galaxy explored, a hardpoint lockout, and a complete inability to instance with any non-cheating player :D
 
I'm seeing a lot of people having lost their legitimately upgraded modules... and some performed the exploit once out of curiosity.

Yeah but robbing a bank out of curiosity doesn't mean that the person should get away with it if caught. I miss all the fun stuff out here in the wastelands exploring, I didn't even know this engineering thing was an "actual thing" until just now by the forum posts on it. I thought people were still trying to debate if Robigo was an exploit or not, I'm a bit behind out here in nowheresville space...
 
I doubt that. What i consider possible is: they've taken exploited rolls from people who haven't -knowingly- used the exploit.
From the looks of things, FDEV knew EXACTLY what to look for in the network logs and tracked the cheaters that way. I have seen a YouTube of the exploit in practice and I believe that there is no way any given player could have UNKNOWINGLY used the exploit, it was a very clear and definitive case of real cheating.
 
Nah, knock them down to sideys in the starting systems, but keep there combat ranks wherever they're at.

You might as well reset their ranks b/c they likely partially used the abused engineer mods to gain higher ranks. I agree with most that cheaters got off relatively lightly on this despite them crying and whatever. Frontier should have made them re-work to unlock engineers and lowered their rankings (except appreciate this may be too difficult).
 
These cheats clearly don't realize how lightly they've gotten off. A lot of MMOs would have perma-banned them, instead they just need to grind their modules the same the rest of us did. It's the equivalent of robbing the bank, getting caught, and the judge just tells the robber that he needs to give the money back and get a real job.
 
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From the looks of things, FDEV knew EXACTLY what to look for in the network logs and tracked the cheaters that way. I have seen a YouTube of the exploit in practice and I believe that there is no way any given player could have UNKNOWINGLY used the exploit, it was a very clear and definitive case of real cheating.

Right - the cheat basically consisted of creating an inconsistency between the game client and the game server, and exploiting that inconsistency. That would have probably left a paper trail in the server logs (because inconsistencies usually are symptoms of bugs, so devs will add code to the server to write them to the log if they detect them), and all that FDev needed to do to find the cheats was to find a bunch of these error log entries coming from the same game client in a short period of time. Someone who accidentally triggered the inconsistency would have just one or two isolated transaction error logs.
 
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Boom! 1000th

I think perm bans would have been way too harsh though. Even account resets. They couldn't have gone that far I don't think.
Imagine those who only gave it a try, didn't use it against any player and then lost their entire fleet, back to square one. Who is going to want to start again ? They only thing they'd want to start is a revolution.
So imagine a perm ban ?!! Nah, that would be going too far and the punishment wouldn't fit the crime.
 
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Don't worry, this will hit them in the wallets for sure. They don't do anything about combat loggers. They don't do anything about people who used cheats in open play PvP (I still see people in open I know 100% used to use shield hacks) but people use an exploit to lessen the garbage engineer grind and they finally decide this is the time to take a stand?

Just about everyone I have talked to is walking away from the game now. This will hurt everyone, including the non-PvP crowd.

Enjoy the emptiness of open play because a large portion of the players who frequent open are quitting.

It didn't hurt me 'cos in 21 years of online gaming I've never cheated or exploited yet still managed to enjoy and occasionally be rather good at gaming. If you can't help cheating, sod off and don't come back until you grow up.
 
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Funny that cheaters say i cheated for that module but not that module so you have to leave it or i quit while not even being aware of the unfairness in their actions and the other players who had to suffer because they chose not to exploit.:rolleyes:

Poor exploiters :eek:
 
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The fix is just as easy as it was this time. But the wall of butthurt would be stratospheric.

The wall of joy on the forum would also be stratospheric. I say FD should release the server algorithms on all the known exploits now.

No bans or anything like that. Just remove the ill gotten gains of repeat offenders.
 
The wall of joy on the forum would also be stratospheric. I say FD should release the server algorithms on all the known exploits now.

No bans or anything like that. Just remove the ill gotten gains of repeat offenders.

It would be pretty funny to see all the credit exploiters tentatively flying around in space buckets while their multi-million dollar superships sit idle while they recoup enough for rebuy....
 
It's irrelevant whether Salome's death had anything to do with exploited modules or not. What is relevant is that the person in question has been exposed as an exploiter now. It seems bad form to give any kind of credit in the book to someone with a now tarnished reputation.

The person responsible was exposed as an exploiter a long time ago. I'm sure many remember him sat inside a station destroying incoming ships without the station being able to destroy him.
 
It's irrelevant whether Salome's death had anything to do with exploited modules or not. What is relevant is that the person in question has been exposed as an exploiter now. It seems bad form to give any kind of credit in the book to someone with a now tarnished reputation.

The person responsible was exposed as an exploiter a long time ago. I'm sure many remember him sat inside a station destroying incoming ships without the station being able to destroy him.

I used to suspect he was an alter ego of Mr Braben but since finding out he's a filthy cheat I no longer believe that.
Well done Fdev for doing this. +rep!
 
The person responsible was exposed as an exploiter a long time ago. I'm sure many remember him sat inside a station destroying incoming ships without the station being able to destroy him.

How was that exploiting? He used existing game mechanics to show how OP heal beams were. He may have used exploitative methods to get said beams but probably not as any old heal beam would have been good enough
 
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