Wormhole

[WR3ND]

You mean like Healing Lazors & Smelly-Presence?



This. I'll never go to Colonia, cos I don't have whole days just to sit around pressing J. I don't necessarily want to ruin the "journey" for those who do, tho, there's nothing out there I can't see and do in the bubble. SO if they add this, I'd use it (if I ever start playing again). If not, I don;t really care.

I appreciate that. Wish more people could have this kind of outlook.

As I see it, the main appeal of Calonia and the like is the fact that it is far away. Players don't really need to go there for any reason beyond wanting to get away from the bubble, so I don't see why the journey should be made more trivial. It's easy enough to reach everything you need to advance in and play the game already.

If there's something too far away for you to want to bother reaching it, don't worry about it. Not all the game content has to be catering to you specifically. Some people like having a bit of an endurance challenge and sense of accomplishment.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Forgive me for delving into Star Trek lore

It would have worked a bit differently if it had been set in the Elite Dangerous universe, though.

Navigator: Captain, we've been thrown through a wormhole to the Oupaisly region, around 50,000 LY from Earth.
Captain: Status report?
Engineer: FSD and scoop are operational at 75%, significant damage to distributor, shields and drives, hull integrity at 44%.
Captain: Plot a course for home. With proper shifts we should be back in 3 days and able to get repairs.

 

[FoxtrotF]

But what about space walks in open space? Why do FD reject it? It can be used to repair some ship, scans obelisks or Thargoids ships.
And my personal answer to the topic, is No in this current configuration in which Elite Dangerous is currently in. Wormholes will be needed only when FD decided to put couple new galaxies to visit.

 

[Rob At Work]

Like the secret passage in the corners of a Cluedo Board

 

[kmwmtd]

Wormholes are stupid and should not be a thing in ED.

To be fair, they are probably slightly less stupid than the FSD drive somehow compressing space in front of the ship to reduce the distance between objects - I imagine someone in mid-step on a station as a ship goes by in SC, and at the completion of the step, they find they have just stepped 5 miles (or seven leagues, if you prefer) and are now floating in vacuum

I wouldn't mind there being some use for black holes. Wormholes might be one - though they would need to be rare and unpredictable (i.e. you never know where you will end up) so that they aren't simply used as a fast travel system between known locations. Another use for black holes might be long-range communications - if you position a black hole accurately enough between you and the bubble (or Colonia) the gravitational lensing focuses your comms allowing some exploration data to be sent back.

 

[Bobbydylan]

To be fair, they are probably slightly less stupid than the FSD drive somehow compressing space in front of the ship to reduce the distance between objects - I imagine someone in mid-step on a station as a ship goes by in SC, and at the completion of the step, they find they have just stepped 5 miles (or seven leagues, if you prefer) and are now floating in vacuum

I wouldn't mind there being some use for black holes. Wormholes might be one - though they would need to be rare and unpredictable (i.e. you never know where you will end up) so that they aren't simply used as a fast travel system between known locations. Another use for black holes might be long-range communications - if you position a black hole accurately enough between you and the bubble (or Colonia) the gravitational lensing focuses your comms allowing some exploration data to be sent back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Wormholes, more properly, Einstein-Rosin Bridges, are already here, have been here, and everyone has seen them.

We call them "High Energy Wakes".

 

[WR3ND]

Wormholes, more properly, Einstein-Rosin Bridges, are already here, have been here, and everyone has seen them.

We call them "High Energy Wakes".

I don't know. Seems a little off with the witchspace, but yeah, I see what you're saying otherwise.

 

[william1134]

I would absolutely love having a wormhole or transit station to get somewhere far away.

There just seems to be very little point to having such a huge galaxy if there is just nothing going on there.

 

[Vasco Sapien]

How massive are the jumps going to be though ? Are we talking interdimensional travel, thousands of LY at a time ? or Transwarp ? (there i go again lol)

If it happens, it will need to be balanced.
The galaxy is huge and this could strink it.

Maybe it needs an exotic Material which is rare and hard to find, in order to charge the hyperjump. So using it is something you use sparingly.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I don't know. Seems a little off with the witchspace, but yeah, I see what you're saying otherwise.

If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, but "witchspace" was from 1984, which predates the modern Frame Shift Drive.

I believe capital ships may still use this mode of transport, as their appearance and disappearance is quite different than how our ships come and go.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

It would have worked a bit differently if it had been set in the Elite Dangerous universe, though.

Navigator: Captain, we've been thrown through a wormhole to the Oupaisly region, around 50,000 LY from Earth.
Captain: Status report?
Engineer: FSD and scoop are operational at 75%, significant damage to distributor, shields and drives, hull integrity at 44%.
Captain: Plot a course for home. With proper shifts we should be back in 3 days and able to get repairs.

The thought had crossed my mind....but still lol.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

If it happens, it will need to be balanced.
The galaxy is huge and this could strink it.

Maybe it needs an exotic Material which is rare and hard to find, in order to charge the hyperjump. So using it is something you use sparingly.

That would suit me just fine, i agree that it's not right to make the entire galactic map easily accessible by fast travel, a rare, one way jump would be ideal.

 

[Leadfoot]

If it happens, it will need to be balanced.
The galaxy is huge and this could strink it.

Maybe it needs an exotic Material which is rare and hard to find, in order to charge the hyperjump. So using it is something you use sparingly.

From what I posted in another thread along this same line:

I know there's a neutron highway to get there but it be interesting to do a huge improvement on FSD's with one interesting issue:

"You were aiming at something 500 ly away, right? Well, this upgrade to your FSD will get you that far with the right materials, but I can't ever guarantee you'll end up at that destination. In a wormhole that long, anything could go wrong. It might work 50% of the time. That other 50% it could toss you about 300 ly off course or drop you 300 ly short of your destination. There's also a probability of about 20% damage to your hull and/or FSD each time you use it.

Those Thargoids may detect a wormhole this powerful, so it might attract their attention, either out of curiosity or out of evil intent. I don't know for sure.

Just be careful. It won't always work the way you want it to. I cannot guarantee anything with this upgrade."

 

[Archduke]

Wormholes, more properly, Einstein-Rosin Bridges, are already here, have been here, and everyone has seen them.

We call them "High Energy Wakes".

The ER bridge is a hypersurface that extends following the period of collapse from degenerate neutron star matter to the final state of a Black Hole duriong the time until thermal equilibrium is reached and, if you follow the ER=EPR argument, connects only two regions within causal horizon boundaries - there is no facility (as well establishjed by Einstein) for a forward causal temporal direction that does not remain within the span of the horizon.
Such Wormholes then would have apertures dependant on the matter content and be limited to the potential for an amount of entangled matter to retain its quantum entangled state before the risk of decoherence destroys the nonlocal relations.
For the size of such to be in any magnitude remotely similar to that required for a spaceship diameter would necessarily then require energies way in excess as those that might propel the vessel across the proposed distance regardless (given Elite's fictional technological accomplishments)

Although Elite Dangerous seems to completely disregard the mechanisms of causality - the evident Black Holes still seem to offer the same boundary conditions for a Black Hole state - therefore, what is the point in traversal' of any such "wormholes" (as Wheeler's concept of ER bridges) if one would be trapped within the Event horizon of either 'end'?
At best it would facilitate a means for otherwise distant travellers to meet within the wormhole and given their newly local environment to be sufficient to support their existence, they may be fortunate enough to exist together for some time within the ring of a Kerr-like singularity though neither would ever again make any future causal communicative information transfer external to the horizon.

q.v. Saul Perlnutter, Juan Malcadena

 

[Cmdr Tel]

There is no reason they could not exist albeit IMO it is unlikely.

But this is a sci-fi so why not? I think they should be rare events and non persistent i.e 1 or 2 weeks and the destination be random. It could take you to the other side of the galaxy or the star next door. It would be fun for explorers. Heck of a risk getting in one and work like interdiction with some skill to survive using piloting skills. This way they can't be used for trade routes or simple fast travel somewhere. One way only. Announce on Galnet when one has been observed. Just go prepared for that rebuy or possibly a long trek home.

I think it would be fun so why not?

 

[BURL KNIVE5]

As a concept, I'm against it. Wormholes are way too theoretical. I know FTL travel is as well, but without it we got nothing.
As a form of fast travel, I'm completely against it. Not a fan of shortcuts. I view ED as simulator. Giving it fast-travel would turn it into a game.

 

[Lestat]

I don't know how often this idea has been discussed, it's not exactly ED realism......but still, a deep space 9 style wormhole, either to the other side of the galaxy in the middle of nowhere, or to Thargoid territory wherever that is (in our galaxy of course). Or even a Star Trek Voyager style wormhole or device that is just a one way mechanism.
I think something like this would attract new players, bring old ones back, and keep current ones interested, also it would make for great story progression.
Please understand that this is just an idea, i'm a loyal ED player going nowhere whatever happens, just testing the mood for an idea like this.
o7, Kirk out.

Well if you use some search function you would of found out how many times this topic came up

 

[DCLXVI your God]

I would like to wormhole my way to other galaxies. [yesnod]
My Cobra wants it too.

 

[Stealthie]

Im betting some of the new 'Tech' coming after 2.4 is the thargoid jump drive.

Thargoids seem to like Nebula with massive objects inside.

The FSD jump is from star to star, using the Star as a gravitational jump lock.

So the Thargoid tech needs something more massive for longer distances.

lots of massive objects out by Colonia.

If it turns out to involve some kind of hyperspace drive that makes use of a tiny black hole, count me out.