FDev, you just upset a *lot* of people.

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Let me rephrase it.

They could start by investigating and shadow banning some of the people on here that are highly vocal about doing it, unless they were just forum trolling, which I find very doubtful regarding a few that I cannot name in case of shaming.

This "investigation" you speak of - it sounds intriguing. I assume the Leather Goddesses of Phobos will see to that? I was a nasty player!
 
First, I should have just read through 69 pages and repped every poster (well, a few exceptions). So...

"they maybe removed legitimate god-rolls"
- the forums have been flooded with everyone and their tail gunner doing the maths that say, "yes, it is theoretically possible that you might obtain a +100 roll on modification X, but it's a tiny little chance, akin to being hit by lightning while holding a lantern and balancing on one foot while reciting the Gettysburg Address on a calm afternoon."

- so, given that kind of odds, when you're seeing multiple god-high rolls on every module on a ship, and then on a fleet, you really can't convince anyone that you beat the odds that many times legitimately. Can't happen.


I agree with the many here; this is light punishment. Blizzard would completely nerf them. So would other game companies. I'd agree with those who would say reset their account; back to a Sidewinder and 100 credits, as a lighter punishment for trying to break the game than a complete account wipe, although I wouldn't blink at the latter.

If you're in a single-player, local game and you decide to use god-mode cheats, have a blast. Modding can be fun. But when a player is manipulating the game to produce out-of-scale enhancements to destroy other players in a multiplayer game, the H-E-double-hockey sticks to you & you deserve your karma. Don't try to break other people's games.
 

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Thing is. Even if the people who were wiped do decide to come back, their reputation is shot to hell, anything they have ever said, done or will do will be discredited and forever labelled as exploiters and cheaters.

Now for some that wont matter, but they can say goodbye to magazine/website articles and media mentions from now on.

Any kill, or event they disrupt will not now be down to skill or better tactics or gitting gud. it will be attributed to them cheating, even if this exploit is closed another will be blamed for it.

Any contest, or event they took part in is now tainted, any achievements they have done nullified and I expect them to be excluded from future events also for fear of tainting them also.

Any form of credibility, notoriety or pretence of being constructive is now gone and tbh the only way left to salvage anything is just to leave quietly and find somewhere else to mine salt. Because it's now so public and so many are well known it's impossible to spin any sort of upside to being labelled an exploiter and cheater. Changing names, buying new accounts won't work. The game is too small and identities too easily uncovered for that to work

So while the modules can be recovered, the damage to their personal ego and reputations cannot esp for PvP where reputation and credibility are everything.

So while people might think the punishment is light, actually for ones reputation to be trashed irrevocably and by their own hand is actually harsher than people might think

Poetic justice fer some individuals that its against the rules to name, but considering the bile they spewed onto these pages and old trolls like me around...I can understand why they staying away but when they come back, and most rage quitters are back with a week or 2 anyway, then they sure as hell wont be allowed to forget this. Every time they start spewing bile...one of us will be there to remind them they aint so squeeky clean themselves.

The funniest thing is they did it to themselves and even boasted about it that FD wouldnt do anything about it...and thats just in the past few days. That actually makes what FD did all the sweeter cos it well and truly wiped that smug grin off their faces ^
 
In this case we're talking about the players with the most pvp experience in the game, who would still be flying meta ships and could roll at least average G5 mods in relatively little time. Seriously, they would still be able to rinse anybody who hasn't spent significant time doing pvp. That's the dumbest aspect of this pseudo-rage really, if they all just played the game, rolled their mods wthout spending ridiculous amounts of time grinding and got on with it they'd be in exactly the same position as they were yesterday; competitive with each other and considerably better than most. If that's not enough for them, there's no helping them.
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Well said. I've run out of rep juice for you unfortunately, could someone do the honours please?
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Unfortunately i can't give rep in your place... i have to give it by own choice. :)
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Well wasn't it quiet in game last night. Well it was in the systems I was in :)
No extra curricular message for me...
 
From the looks of things, FDEV knew EXACTLY what to look for in the network logs and tracked the cheaters that way. I have seen a YouTube of the exploit in practice and I believe that there is no way any given player could have UNKNOWINGLY used the exploit, it was a very clear and definitive case of real cheating.
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I know what you mean. I also agree that it's much more likely that somebody who claims that he was punished unfairly just tries to keep face. My statement was more of a theoretical one: considering how many people play this game (we don't have numbers, but can do a ballpark guess) and how many engineering was probably done, it's likely that there is one or another oddball who by pure chance used the exploit once without knowing it.
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But yes, generally it's way more likely that somebody who claims that he was punished innocently just tries to save his reputation.
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Well wasn't it quiet in game last night. Well it was in the systems I was in :)
No extra curricular message for me...

It was a bit feisty around Lave last night as there's a CG going on there.

Some sod melted my Python out from under me..!
 
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These cheats clearly don't realize how lightly they've gotten off. A lot of MMOs would have perma-banned them, instead they just need to grind their modules the same the rest of us did. It's the equivalent of robbing the bank, getting caught, and the judge just tells the robber that he needs to give the money back and get a real job.
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Very much this. I accept the current solution, but personally also would've prefered a more heavy-handed approach. This undid the exploit, but didn't come with actual punishment. After all, all the exploited modules were made with dirt-cheap G1 materials. This stuff i tend to vent to make space for harder to find materials. The only actual punishment is the hit on their reputation. No matter what those peons now do, they'll forever be the dirty cheaters.
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You might as well reset their ranks b/c they likely partially used the abused engineer mods to gain higher ranks. I agree with most that cheaters got off relatively lightly on this despite them crying and whatever. Frontier should have made them re-work to unlock engineers and lowered their rankings (except appreciate this may be too difficult).

I think you didn't quite get what Ozram was aiming at.... the NPCs you encounter scale with your combat rank :D
 
Every ship with a cheating module should have been reset to stock, PP modules included, and all Engineering progress lost. If they had PvP kills with cheating modules, their current save should have been moved to solo only. These people caused a bunch of folk to unfairly face the rebuy screen, and they did so exploiting a bug.
 
Wouldn't it have been funny if FD removed all their engineering assets too & their access to all the engineers (meaning that they would have to get reintroduced to them all again) & made all engineering assets drop at grade 5 rates on their accounts...

Every ship with a cheating module should have been reset to stock, PP modules included, and all Engineering progress lost. If they had PvP kills with cheating modules, their current save should have been moved to solo only. These people caused a bunch of folk to unfairly face the rebuy screen, and they did so exploiting a bug.

Dammit ninja'd!
 
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Rep to FD for dealing with the matter.

It would be nice if all the victims could have received a refund for ships lost, financed by the cheater's credit balance/fleet worth.

Well done, guys!
 
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