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Thank you frontier for punishing the exploiting scum and finally making Open safe again!
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Sure thing, is 'booohooo Frontier why did you fix my cheat first' closer to the mark?
It's much more in the vein of: "If I have to be punished for cheating, make sure these other guys get punished too." Completely in the 'Misery loves company' camp.
I said numerous times that I'm absolutely fine with the way they handled this one exploit, and I want them to continue further and I'd be fine even if I got a perma ban myself.
I'm already almost finished rebuilding my Dropship so I can fight my friends every now-and-then. Most people quit due to the grind though, I'm curious to see what frontier does with the other exploits now.
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This thread is starting resemble the fifty shades of grey, what with all this punishment being handed out!
I've seen a dev post that the mission system is working as intended. It's not that you can't stack more than 3 missions, but that once you've stacked 3 it won't give you more of that type on the next board refresh. He did say they may reconsider this system in the future, but it's not being exploited now.
Jason, can I first thank you for being one of the beacons of light from the PVP community in terms of your condemnation of the exploiters and also the recognition that many of the cheats no longer have a leg to stand on in terms of credibility.
Now, onto my point, although to some degree valid, I'm going to put the money exploits to one side for this post. Combat logging is wrong, it is a pain in the backside and ideally shouldn't be a thing in this game. But this is a peer to peer game, Frontier have said, quite clearly, on a number of occasions that it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to differentiate between a network outage and someone pulling the plug. Now sure, patterns of behaviour and the like, (maybe helped by the proposed karma system), can and should be acted upon. But you guys are sadly going to have to accept that combat logging is NEVER going to be eradicated completely from this game.
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Yeah, that is already being bypassed, there's a way to trick the mission system to keep bringing up new missions and not just ones already on the board.
And yet we have those insisting it's not an exploit, despite FDEV's attempted fix.
They have more absolute health and are useful for ramming and wiping out "regular" shields. Having vastly superior speed makes ramming or fleeing an IWIN button. And that kind of combined cheese is an Exploit as far as I'm concerned.
Picking on heat weapons while neglecting the cheap ramming meta with this shield/speed combo is cherry picking exploits. They're both equally wrong.
They don't bother doing anything, anything AT ALL.
People who combat log 15 times a month are still playing. Numerous reports sent to frontier, constant combat logs, video evidence that is way too obvious. They keep going.
At least check the reports you're being sent and if there are too many, pull the switch. They don't even do that.
Ramming is ez to avoid though
. And if a cutter tries to ram you and misses, it'll take him a minute to get his sight back on you. The cutter is actually a horrible ship, apart from its huge health pool and masslock.Clippers, I have absolutely no problem with. I think people using clippers in PVP are shooting themselves in the foot. The class 7 bi-weaves allow it to run away when the shield drops and recharge back, indefinitely, however nobody is going to fall for that. If you run away for the second time, everybody will just stop bothering with the fight. And ramming is, as said above, ez to avoid, and other than ramming the Clipper has horrible damage output because of gimballed guns and chaff. Clippers are a dead weight in wing fights too, they do next to none damage but it's also not a tank because due to the low DPS the enemy focuses the other ships instead (unless they dumb
).Frag clippers are sometimes worth a lot though, but nothing ridiculous.
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Listen I know they aren't doing everything they can but it is bloody difficult for them to prove, they have to be careful. I have heard, only second hand mind, reports of some loggers being punished, I hope they are true. Ask yourself this, why, if Frontier could prevent it, would they allow combat logging to continue? It damages the games and their reputation, what is Frontier's motivation for allowing it to continue?
I know a few people who intentionally helped that rumor to try and scare loggers to not cheat, but I don't know anyone actually punished for it.
I don't know. My guess is they just don't bother. I mean, they even ignore bug reports, which certainly has more priority than logging.
I'm not sure about that mate, honestly, it makes no sense for them to ignore something that damages them if they were in possession of the ability to address it.
Their motivation is simple: the type of person that combat logs makes up part of their core audience: PvEers.
Fdev started to care about engineer so called exploit (I called it a flawed game mechanics, but whatever), after the video was made and made available to general population. They knew about it for months, it has been reported and they didn't care. So please stop with self-righteous posts about cheaters and exploiters when this was just a show made by fdev, to look like they are taking serious something. A show for the masses, nothing else.
They gave a rebuy back to a guy who combat logged yesterday with 140+ millions in his account. Fdev didn't follow their own ToS in this case, and now we should believe that they are policing the game? Get your heads out of the sand.
What about premium ammo exploit? What about making lasers like they have premium ammo? Where is fdev? Cmon punish people, you have all the tools. Or maybe not?
And it's sad that this community is so divided over the game everyone here likes, no matter what they do. And you know who's fault is that...
Anyway, fdev should now show consistency, it's time to ban other exploiters - premium ammo, lasers etc.
p.s. I don't consider quince an exploit but rather poor choice from fdev.
They gave a rebuy back to a guy who combat logged yesterday with 140+ millions in his account. Fdev didn't follow their own ToS in this case, and now we should believe that they are policing the game? Get your heads out of the sand.
What about premium ammo exploit? What about making lasers like they have premium ammo? Where is fdev? Cmon punish people, you have all the tools. Or maybe not?
And it's sad that this community is so divided over the game everyone here likes, no matter what they do. And you know who's fault is that...
Anyway, fdev should now show consistency, it's time to ban other exploiters - premium ammo, lasers etc.
p.s. I don't consider quince an exploit but rather poor choice from fdev.
I am positive, from experience, and reviewing the "Combat Loggers Wall of Shame" that PvE'er's Combat Logging are hardly the problem. The Player Group I worked with for more than a year, saw way more CL'ing from PvP'ers and gankers than anywhere else. Perpetuating the myth of the Logging Trader helps no one sort out the real problem. You have drunk the cool-aide my friend.
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That is nonsense and you know it, a good few PVP players have been on YouTube and streams doing so, also I'd ask you why a PVE player would be in a PVP situation that often? No, you need to look closer to home, (no personal accusation there), for at least part of the problem. Also, your idea would have more merit if a large portion of the playerbase were doing it, they aren't.
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