The problem with the new C&P improvements

Yeah? Like premium glitch and heat being broken for MONTHS? Or engineers completly breaking our balance and forcing us to do INSANE amount of PVE to be able to do PVP? Combat logging being completly ignored?

Nobody is listening to PVPers at all. Instead, devs are trying to change PVP without taking any feedback from us at all.

Yes, I agree here. I see no evidence that Fdev is listening to PvPers. Unfortunately, the recent Godroll Gate did little to improve that relationship.
 
Not at all man, the ability to set traps using the police in open is the very definition of 'emergent' play; moral of this tale is don't accept a 'duel' with someone you don't trust...

Except this makes no sense. When I get interdicted and shot at by someone but I have crimes OFF myself, the ship computer should flag the attacker as the one who started the fight, so if he turns crimes ON it will actually make him wanted.

Trolls be gone.
 
Yes, I agree here. I see no evidence that Fdev is listening to PvPers. Unfortunately, the recent Godroll Gate did little to improve that relationship.

There have been plenty of re-balances in the past. Maybe what goes around comes around though?

I think give this new system a go, see how bad it is & provide coherent feedback.

where is everyone getting this info from?

Lavecon livestream earlier today.
 
Except this makes no sense. When I get interdicted and shot at by someone but I have crimes OFF myself, the ship computer should flag the attacker as the one who started the fight, so if he turns crimes ON it will actually make him wanted.

Trolls be gone.

But it's YOUR choice to have it off, not like he forced you.
 

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Except this makes no sense. When I get interdicted and shot at by someone but I have crimes OFF myself, the ship computer should flag the attacker as the one who started the fight, so if he turns crimes ON it will actually make him wanted.

Trolls be gone.

The problem might be that some folks have never started such fights, and so have no context to undertand the mechanics that you're discussing.
 
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Except this makes no sense. When I get interdicted and shot at by someone but I have crimes OFF myself, the ship computer should flag the attacker as the one who started the fight, so if he turns crimes ON it will actually make him wanted.

Trolls be gone.

Trolling only catches the unwary.
 
The problem might be that some folks have never started such fights, and so have no context to undertand the mechanics that you're discussing.

But why are they commenting then? This is why 99% of actual players don't bother with these forums. It's a shame that I have to drag myself through this swamp when I want anything to happen, because it's the only place where frontier looks for feedback.
 
Not at all, Just again, means the meme ships are no longer going to be used. Just my best ships. I'm not risking big rebuys for the sake of flying under equipped vessels

Or only fly smaller ships, both options are available to you.

But why are they commenting then? This is why 99% of actual players don't bother with these forums. It's a shame that I have to drag myself through this swamp when I want anything to happen, because it's the only place where frontier looks for feedback.

Go to the suggestions forum.
 
The problem might be that some folks have never started such fights, and so have no context to undertand the mechanics that you're discussing.

I understand I just don't feel we should remove the ability of a 'backstabber' messing with you; surely that's half the fun is not knowing if the guys honourable to the end, the joy when he doesn't or the rage when he does turn it on mid-way.
 
Now you want FD to protect you from each other? After all of the talk about how open is open, and you should be prepared for anything, you want FD to protect you from some 'dishonorable' behavior? There is some crazy juice going around here.

P.S. Only accept dual challenges in Anarchy systems. Boom. You have taken steps to protect yourself, without FD putting a halo on you.
 
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Except this makes no sense. When I get interdicted and shot at by someone but I have crimes OFF myself, the ship computer should flag the attacker as the one who started the fight, so if he turns crimes ON it will actually make him wanted.

Trolls be gone.

Well it's what I was suggesting.

Have the ship crime computer always tracking the notion of a crime, even if disabled.

The "report crimes against me" when on just makes the report.

In that if switched on mid-combat, the crime state was already pre-calculated when the first shot was fired, it's just the report goes out at that point.

Meaning an innocent party can never have a crime wrongly assigned to them, but the guilty party may (or may not).

Seems a sensible solution yes?
 
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But why are they commenting then? This is why 99% of actual players don't bother with these forums. It's a shame that I have to drag myself through this swamp when I want anything to happen, because it's the only place where frontier looks for feedback.

People like to comment, man. Some might just be raw towards the PvP community, others may have inchoate knowledge of how crime reporting works...
 
Well it's what I was suggesting.

Have the ship crime computer always tracking the notion of a crime, even if disabled.

The "report crimes against me" when on just makes the report.

In that if switched on mid-combat, the crime state was already pre-calculated when the first shot was fired, it's just the report goes out at that point.

Seems a sensible solution yes?

Your suggestion is a good one, but inaction is the path of least resistance. Let's try it as-is first.
 
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