Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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Are you in an instance with other Cmdrs? Could it be that they've all been taken? I dropped off the UA and UP in the main room before going to get the UL and the second time I picked one up I had nothing in my hold. That second time I was in an instance with other Cmdrs and only 2 ULs dropped in the room I went into.

I don't get the UL appearing in open or solo, or in any of the machines in any of the rooms over a long period of time. Feels like a bug to me but I just wanted to check that I am not missing something obvious.
 
Does the UL send out Data aswell, when it responds to the UA? You know that it lights up blue, and responds, after the UA Talks
 
I m trying to keep up with all the posts, I may have missed it.....
This may been asked already.

I have 5 meta alloys in my ship at tharg base.... I don't have anything to get in however.

What do meta alloys do in all of this, do they open doors or anything
 

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I don't get the UL appearing in open or solo, or in any of the machines in any of the rooms over a long period of time. Feels like a bug to me but I just wanted to check that I am not missing something obvious.

It's definitely worth reporting then, if you can get a video even better.
 
Would someone mind giving me the benefit of their experience? I simply cannot get the Unknown Link to produce in the lower chanbers of the Alien Structure. I've gone in there with both the UA and UP in my SRV and with both the UA and UP within the Unknown Device. In all cases all I get in the UL room is the 'plasma tendrils' descending from the machine but no UL with them. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here? I've lost a few SRV's to corrosion now so it is begining to grate a bit. If you can help, I'd be very grateful.

i had the same trouble lastnite when i was with a wingman,today i was on my own made sure i scanned every device inside then out logged out then back in and they finaly showed up in the smaller chambers
 

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I m trying to keep up with all the posts, I may have missed it.....
This may been asked already.

I have 5 meta alloys in my ship at tharg base.... I don't have anything to get in however.

What do meta alloys do in all of this, do they open doors or anything

Nothing at the moment it seems. They grow outside the bases too.
 
The message played by the UL in response to the oldest spectrogram recording (on the bottom of the list) is:
BINARY
101 100 010 / 110 000 010 111
100 000 / 110 000 010 111
100 111 / 100 110

OCTAL

562 / 6027
60 / 6027
67 / 66


DECIMAL
370 / 3095
48 / 3095
55 / 54

Isn't this the decimal translation?:
542 / 6027
40 / 6027
47 / 46

I'm assuming that it goes like this:
000 = 0
001 = 1
010 = 2
011 = 3
100 = 4
101 = 5
110 = 6
111 = 7

Not sure where you get the Octal and Decimal from there. Might want to check the other two as well? (or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something, I dunno).
 
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Am i right that the Relic is the only guardian device to have an affect so far and that it will only swap out with Unknown link in the machine load sequence.

The specrtogram suggests that the Unknown link is a link between the UP and the UA over distance and if the above is correct, that then suggests that the Relic is also a link device of somekind (which is why the machine accepts it in place of the UL)... maybe they where used to network the different monolith sites together. as aerials.
 
Spectro of the unknown Link.
[video=youtube_share;k3p1AKnieto]https://youtu.be/k3p1AKnieto[/video]
Wide view of the spectro
[video=youtube_share;i0eCXNzWnwM]https://youtu.be/i0eCXNzWnwM[/video]
 
Isn't this the decimal translation?:
542 / 6027
40 / 6027
47 / 46

I'm assuming that it goes like this:
000 = 0
001 = 1
010 = 2
011 = 3
100 = 4
101 = 5
110 = 6
111 = 7

Not sure where you get the Octal and Decimal from there. Might want to check the other two as well? (or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something, I dunno).

Converting the binary triplets to octal numbers (coincidentally 3 bits is all you need to express any digit 0-7) is what got sensible results out of the UP chitters. To clarify, I'm not transcribing the binary into decimal. That wouldn't work, because 3 bits isn't enough to express all digits 0-9. I'm transcribing it into octal and then converting that octal into decimal, because I (and others, I imagine) don't find it easy to work and think in octal.
 
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Looking at the two central circles on the spectogram.

They follow the same pattern as the compass on our ships, even down to the grid pattern.


The bottom one has a solid circle in the centre. On our ships a solid circle indicates target is in front of you.

The top circle has a hollow circle within the centre which is used to indicate an object behind you.
 
Seems like CMDRs are all getting the same messages (at least in the recordings I've heard) regardless of where they are. The messages are different depending on which spectrogram recording was played to the UL, but the differences are not large. The message played by the UL in response to the oldest spectrogram recording (on the bottom of the list) is:
BINARY
101 100 010 / 110 000 010 111
100 000 / 110 000 010 111
100 111 / 100 110


OCTAL
562 / 6027
60 / 6027
67 / 66


DECIMAL
370 / 3095
48 / 3095
55 / 54


.11955
.01551
1.01852
The message played in response to the middle spectrogram recording (middle in the list) is:
BINARY
101 101 / 110 000 010
100 000 / 110 000 010 111
101 000 010 / 100 110 111


OCTAL
55 / 602
60 / 6027
502 / 467


DECIMAL
45 / 386
48 / 3095
322 / 311


.11658
.01551
1.00322

The message played in response to the newest spectrogram recording (top of the list) is:
BINARY
101 101 000 / 110 000 010 111
110 / 100 110
110 001 010 110 / 110 000 010 111

OCTAL
550 / 6027
6 / 46
6126 / 6027

DECIMAL
360 / 3095
6/38
3158 / 3095

.11632
.15789
1.02055

Why are you assuming the high frequency segments are binary '1's and the low frequency ones are binary '0's?

Flipping the '1's and '0's around gives the following ratios:

Code:
157 : 1000 = 0.157
31  : 1000 = 0.031
24  : 25   = 0.960
18  : 125  = 0.144
31  : 1000 = 0.031
189 : 200  = 0.945
151 : 1000 = 0.151
1   : 25   = 0.040
937 : 1000 = 0.937

Back when I was working with the unknown probe distances, I remember the aliens liking 'clean' ratios of 1000.
 
Why are you assuming the high frequency segments are binary '1's and the low frequency ones are binary '0's?

Flipping the '1's and '0's around gives the following ratios:

Code:
157 : 1000 = 0.157
31  : 1000 = 0.031
24  : 25   = 0.960
18  : 125  = 0.144
31  : 1000 = 0.031
189 : 200  = 0.945
151 : 1000 = 0.151
1   : 25   = 0.040
937 : 1000 = 0.937

Back when I was working with the unknown probe distances, I remember the aliens liking 'clean' ratios of 1000.

Fair question. I assume it because that's how the UPs worked.
 
Wasn't it already reported that nothing is happening on the outside? And maybe pattern was the wrong word. Maybe there is no repeating cycle and there is just one whole sequence and 1 message. But you have to agree that you can easily see and make out long and short flashes which may or may not translate to morse code. I don't know morse code so I can't check myself.


Yeah you are right, I cannot deny that there are very different length of flashes. The fact that I cannot make any sense of them doesn't mean that there is nothing in there :D
 
Isn't this the decimal translation?:
542 / 6027
40 / 6027
47 / 46

I'm assuming that it goes like this:
000 = 0
001 = 1
010 = 2
011 = 3
100 = 4
101 = 5
110 = 6
111 = 7

Not sure where you get the Octal and Decimal from there. Might want to check the other two as well? (or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something, I dunno).

My understanding is that what people are doing is interpreting each digit as being base 8, which you then convert to decimal, so:

542 / 6027 base 8 (because it's 3 bits) becomes
354 / 3095 base 10

Which is 0.11437802908 as a division.

Because floating point division only works in base 10. This process has been assumed because it's the same way that the UP broadcast its data - and that was confirmed to be correct by Mr Brookes pre-doing a runner :)

It's also reasonable: if you were broadcasting decimal digits, then binary is not a good way of doing it, as you will regularly waste 1 bit-worth (6 combinations) of data because 4 bits most naturally wants to be base 16.

3 bits fits octal perfectly, it's just no good for any real maths!
 
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