So it is not worth the price for YOU. That's good and all, but that's only your opinion. Stop positioning it as it is some kind of general experience (it isn't).
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So it is not worth the price for YOU. That's good and all, but that's only your opinion. Stop positioning it as it is some kind of general experience (it isn't).
They've always been of a similar price, even before the various sales they've both had. Witcher 3 launched for £39.99, Elite launched for £39.99. Both have had various price-drops, etc. Trying to compare the two is a bit silly.
It's a forum of course the posts i make the views are mine!!
I am sure that most people probably realise this without the need to point out that my posts aren't 'official views'.
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Well you learn something new every day.
Point still stands though. Blood and Wine for £15 is much better value that Horizons for £30 considering the amount of content delivered.
No but then again my life doesnt revolve around Elite and it is just one of many games I play.
Come on that's just rubbish.
Base game launch price - both £40 - Agreed
Launch price of expansion - Witcher 3 blood and wine - £15.99 - Horizons (£40 - £10 loyalty discount = £30).
That is a good point well made. I would counter with "If they weren't bringing out a series of expansions, would any of those QoL improvements have been implemented?"
My expectation, from a non-programming background, is that those QoL items which permeated the base game did so because they couldn't be differentially coded to only allow expansion users access? I could easily be wrong, it happens regularly.
I'm possibly not the best litmus paper for judging at what point games become too repetitive to play, as I am still hooked on the regular Seasonal Events released by Gran Turismo 6!
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The ONLY content that I use from Horizons is "Barren rock landings" lol Engineers is nothing more than a time-sink and multicrew is dead in the water unless you are in a group (which sort of negates the reason for it partially). So yeah, this is my opinion also.
I have few reservations on ED's path forward. I think FD have a pretty good handle on it. I might be a bit concerned and curious about how they'll price the upcoming DLC. I actually liked the season pass thing. Buy it once and don't worry about pulling out the credit card for a while.
I can easily say that if FD shut ED down today, I've gotten value for my money on 3 out of 4 CMDR licenses. The 4th license is yet unnamed and hasn't logged on, but that's not FD's fault.
Press on FD. Let's see what you've got.
I can easily say that if FD shut ED down today, I've gotten value for my money on 3 out of 4 CMDR licenses. The 4th license is yet unnamed and hasn't logged on, but that's not FD's fault.
Press on FD. Let's see what you've got.
I'll admit that Horizons was overpriced at launch but Frontier quickly realized their mistake and dropped it to £19.99, within what, a month? Bringing it down to the same price as The Witcher 3's expansion pass. So like I said, they've always been of a similar price-point.
IKR it's a shame that a lot of players are so blinded by greed and self gratification that they are so willing to be led.
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The only parts of those that have anything to do with horizons are surface missions and the Beluga. Everything else is base game, so not relevant.
Also, no, I find no value in the beluga, passenger missions (glorified cargo), or surface dcs n missions.
I am not going to comment any further, save we have more handbags at 20 paces. Yes we are unique individuals with our own opinions, thank whoever.
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The only reservations I have is the fact that FD concentrate FAR too much on pew pew stuff. I want MOAR SCIENCE!! Make Exploration mechanics meaningful and less of a complete gameplay void that we have now, moare things to see, more ways to interact with them etc etc. Other careers need to be fleshed out too. It does seem future work is on those lines so I'm hopeful, but it's make or break for the game for me over the next few updates, if it's more PP, Arena thing, MP bias, then I'll not be putting any more money in.
The game has got such an amazing foundation that it's just so disappointing to see the directions FD take at times.
I mean take the emails...I'm an existing user why on EARTH would I give a rats hairy crack about the upcoming PS4 release and the previous xBone release?!! I have Zero interest in other platforms getting the game beyond FD getting more funds, but then it's consoles which are notorious for short term mp centric pew pew stuff, so will FD concentrate on that even more?
The game has got such an amazing foundation that it's just so disappointing to see the directions FD take at times.
I mean take the emails...I'm an existing user why on EARTH would I give a rats hairy crack about the upcoming PS4 release and the previous xBone release?!! I have Zero interest in other platforms getting the game beyond FD getting more funds, but then it's consoles which are notorious for short term mp centric pew pew stuff, so will FD concentrate on that even more?
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The W3 pass contains 2 expansions per 9,90€, not just one. We're talking about 40-50 hours of extremely packed content.
Of course we're comparing apples and bananas here, but still.
As a combat pilot I refute that FD concentrate on pew pew stuff. They don't.
2.0 was landing on planets, not much pew pew except for skimmers.
2.1 was engineers, not just pew pew, every module can be upgraded and the main gameplay to collect mats etc.. isn't pew pew.
2.2 was SLF and passinger missions so lets say that it's half pew pew for SLF and half none pew pew.
2.3 was MC and character creator. MC is pew pew but not pew pew that us combat pilots want so pretty much worthless.
i´ve allways sayd elite needed more content without being able to show others what that content was. well i just finished the ancient guardians mission and i find thats the pure definition of content in elite.
althou its too long and takes a lot of time doing it something smaller and maybe with some combat for some missions. even the payout was good, even if the mission was a lot smaller and payd out around 30M thats also fine.
what was wrong is that for that mission the time it would take if there wasnt a guide provided by a cmdr here on the forums. this game allready is time consuming with small things like supercruise.
althou its too long and takes a lot of time doing it something smaller and maybe with some combat for some missions. even the payout was good, even if the mission was a lot smaller and payd out around 30M thats also fine.
what was wrong is that for that mission the time it would take if there wasnt a guide provided by a cmdr here on the forums. this game allready is time consuming with small things like supercruise.
Sorry I forgot the game is only about everything 2.0 onwards....
try being a non combat pilot explorer bored to tears with the game and taking LONG breaks...then tell me it's not pew pew based.
I think FD have done an incredible and amazing job with horizons and the moniker "Horizons" implies ED is just at the edge of greatly expanded content to be seen in the years ahead. Years before you had fractal terrain, now they have put unique procedural planets among the 400 billion stars. I can't think of any other game out there that comes close in this genre for the horizons addon. The package has been well worth it to me. Fighters are great, passengers are back like they were with FFE, Multi-crew is functional , all the gameplay invovling missions on the ground, mining with the SRV, massive city-like bases, small interesting mining or research bases and how powerplay changes control of them. I never understood what was so bad about engineers. It makes sense module tweaks would need items that are not readily available at a retail distribution market. Most sci-fi tropes involves special items or materials needed for some thingamajig to work by a talented techhead character.
Well, looks like we had a week of positive morale with renewed faith in FDev with the PS4 launch. It was fun and euphoric to see how the game felt better than ever on the forum and congratulating the devs' dedicated and bar-setting work with optimism for the future of ED along with the amazing work done with the thargoid bases recently. But I guess the salt is coming back now..
In my opinion I think it's part due to the constant update media from SC that misleads expectations in the space setting gaming industry and as a side effect diminishes the bar-setting achievements of ED. SC's "procedural" planet demo turned out to be just another scripted animation. Not enough procedural depth in horizons, would we want the procedural nonsense filler that was seen in NMS? i didn't think so. Even if Fdev settled on fleshing out one or two planets, there would still be complaints about how the rest of the millions of planets had nothing on them after all the time it took to implement.
If one looks at www.simmarket.com where it takes various different third market teams of developers months, even years to build a scenery set for a location or a specific complex plane addon for FSX. In the 13 years since FS2004 and a few years later FSX, the 3rd party development has built hundreds of scenery locations but it's still a long ways from covering every airport and county in the world in detail , with each of those hundreds of specific addons costing at least half or as much or more as horizons, so I think in comparison it's amazing and a good value of what FDev has done in house so far.
Well, looks like we had a week of positive morale with renewed faith in FDev with the PS4 launch. It was fun and euphoric to see how the game felt better than ever on the forum and congratulating the devs' dedicated and bar-setting work with optimism for the future of ED along with the amazing work done with the thargoid bases recently. But I guess the salt is coming back now..
In my opinion I think it's part due to the constant update media from SC that misleads expectations in the space setting gaming industry and as a side effect diminishes the bar-setting achievements of ED. SC's "procedural" planet demo turned out to be just another scripted animation. Not enough procedural depth in horizons, would we want the procedural nonsense filler that was seen in NMS? i didn't think so. Even if Fdev settled on fleshing out one or two planets, there would still be complaints about how the rest of the millions of planets had nothing on them after all the time it took to implement.
If one looks at www.simmarket.com where it takes various different third market teams of developers months, even years to build a scenery set for a location or a specific complex plane addon for FSX. In the 13 years since FS2004 and a few years later FSX, the 3rd party development has built hundreds of scenery locations but it's still a long ways from covering every airport and county in the world in detail , with each of those hundreds of specific addons costing at least half or as much or more as horizons, so I think in comparison it's amazing and a good value of what FDev has done in house so far.
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