An open letter to Professor Palin - Larger CRCRs. I beg of you!

[EddyRockSteady]

The OP makes a very valid point, only for the thread to descend into a Whine & Cheese evening.....how disappointing.

A cheese evening.

You consumed all the whine by whining about whiners.

It's called an opinion and yes, Engineers are a 'bore your face off' at the best of times. That's actually fact, not opinion. People are allowed to express facts/opinions.

@OP, large CRCR would be good in theory. In practice, stations will die left, right and centre......

 

[NW3]

It's only 5000 LY. Just pick a pretty nebula and go out in a 42 LY AspX and you'll be done in a day. What system permit!? It's Maia, dude.

Nothing compared to mining 500 tons of crap for Selene Jeanne, plus the Painite at the end. That was about 3 weeks of pure unfiltered hell.

It's not the travel that's the problem. I have a 56 lyr AspX and have been to Beagle Point and back. I've been to Maia dozens of times, but never once got hyperdicted.

Yes, mining is a pain(ite).

Not strictly true is it? Before flying 5,000 LYs becomes relevant you have to collect 25 modular termninals for Marco 'The Gatekeeper' aka 'Mr Useless' Quent and befoe you do that you need a Sirius permit and before you can get that you have to get friendly with Sirius Corp. For all that you get access to the engineer whose mods are likely worthless to you anyway by the time you unlock him, thereby ensuring that his primary purpose in the game is to bore your face off prior to unlocking Palin.

Exactly!

I got the Sirius permit about two months after I started playing (or over a year before engineers even existed) same as travelling 5,000 LY from my start point, mining over 500 tons of ore etc, etc.

Thing is, I wasn't thinking about myself. Give it a go sometime mate, it's fun.

But all I want is some corrosion resistant racks. It's now a grind, because I'd like to interact with the new alien machine and it's a high hurdle, when I have limited playtime.

Bigger racks?
Then people should have done better in the CG that created them.
It's a pain, but thems the breaks

I would have participated, but I was weeks away from the bubble at the time. I have done a CG at Maia, just not that one.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

Bigger racks?
Then people should have done better in the CG that created them.
It's a pain, but thems the breaks

That's all there is to it. The CG hardly got off the ground, so we're stuck with what we have.

 

[NW3]

That's all there is to it. The CG hardly got off the ground, so we're stuck with what we have.

Bigger racks would be nice though. The real issue for me is that you can't just buy them, even at Maia.

 

[Spiridon]

No Mr Palin sir, don't listen to them.

In fact, remove racks for 2 cargo, or make sure that 2 is max for any ship. You study a lot there on Maia unaware of what idle mean people do with those multiple racks - bombing the stations. Yes, yes. No one told you before?

I'm sure you had noble intentions but that's how they perverted it.

 

[Surprised Brony]

No Mr Palin sir, don't listen to them.

In fact, remove racks for 2 cargo, or make sure that 2 is max for any ship. You study a lot there on Maia unaware of what idle mean people do with those multiple racks - bombing the stations. Yes, yes. No one told you before?

I'm sure you had noble intentions but that's how they perverted it.

We need a CG for anti UA tech in stations. Then we can have a CG for bigger capacities.

 

[IceFire122]

Bigger racks?
Then people should have done better in the CG that created them.
It's a pain, but thems the breaks

The CG was cursed from the get go:
This specific CG asked for very high levels of Meta Alloys to be delivered. Only relogging+Barnacle Farming was sufficient to reach these levels. Hence, many CMDRs refused to participate out of protest, that an FD-made CG actually asked for relogging to win (which some might call an exploit).

 

[Red Anders]

That's all there is to it. The CG hardly got off the ground, so we're stuck with what we have.

The CG got to about tier four if I recall. Tier one unlocked the racks at class one. The next two tiers didn't unlock anything and it wasn't even remotely clear from the CG text that anything else would definitely be unlocked regardless of what tier it reached, which is why participation declined.

Edit: Yes and the above. There were players actively trying to get it boycotted because it was a relog CG and before anybody says 'oh you didn't have to relog' it wouldn't even have reached tier one without that because of the sheer amount of time it took to collect meta alloys without doing so. All of that will still be in the old CGs thread which should still be on the forum.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

The problem here is I don't think enough people realise the depth of their actions in this game. Consequences from the choices we make.
We have 2 racks because ppl didn't want to travel 300 lys to Maia for the CG to make them.
Everyone is out here now looking for bigger racks.
All of the Alien items and sites people FOUND by ridiculously obsessing through the hard work and impressive brain power lol

It's a space SIM nothing is certain simple and close.
And yes the Palin grind. ... we all did it, no sympathy lol
I actually loved that it took me out of my usual game play and forced me to try new things.

Ppl want everything now. I'm still ecstatic we have bookmarks. ....... BOOKMARKS!!! Lol

This isn't entirely true.

The CrCr CG was partially boycotted because the previous Palin CG had precisely zero result even though it maxed out.
That and the fact that collecting Meta-alloys in any number requires relogging (one of the worst aspects of the game design).

 

[Lightspeed]

This reads like a "Dear FD, please provide an instant everything button so I can do stuff quickly" thread, which is partly true.

But the biggest issue here is that players ask for more features and more richness to the game, and when it becomes essential before exploring the Thargoid content, they complain it is locked behind a grind. Don't like exploring? You have to go out exploring. Don't like missions? You have to do missions for permits. The same principle applies, perhaps to a lesser extent to the other engineer 'features.' Are we justified in complaining about this if we want more depth to the game? I think probably not.

Then there's the issue of the cargo hold size. It was set by FD presumably as a bare minimum that we would need for (what was then) future content. The minimum makes it hard, but from what I can see, achievable (I haven't tried this part yet). Again, we are complaining that we don't have an easy button.

We are our own worst enemies. We want more , we want more depth, but we want easy !

 

[Geraldine]

Well, the only thing for it is to have another CG to have a galaxy wide upgrade to all the stations and outposts in the game to make them UA resistant. I think tho (if it was done at all) it must not involve meta alloy collection but instead some other method, perhaps (as a suggestion) another (more commonly found) mined mineral that provides the same effect that Palin discovered but he needs more of this mineral to develop the bigger racks and manufacture the station upgrades. The rewards for completing the CG is the bigger racks, resistance to UA bombing for stations and cash. That's my thoughts.

Thinking a little bit more about this, this research could one day lead to ship upgrades that would keep your ships systems functioning in the event of contact with the Thargoids....

 

[Red Anders]

This reads like a "Dear FD, please provide an instant everything button so I can do stuff quickly" thread, which is partly true.

Aye, if by 'partly true' you mean that 'everything' is a reasonable synonym for 'a single item'.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

I'd be up for a new CG for better sized CRCRs from Palin, and normal sized CRCRs available in *most* stations.

Even if they cost the equivalent of 1mil CR per ton. With the amount of alien stuff we can sell these days, and the price you can get for it, it'd pay itself off in no time.

And like someone else said, add more types of human hazardous cargo, and add missions and whatnot for them. Boom, new career.
But I'd also demand a biohazard decal.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[DNA-Decay]

Youse mugs are all wimps.

I carry 24 in an Asp.

No CRCR - try it.

Just Gut Gud.

 

[goemon]

@OP where have you been, when the CG to build those racks only made it to tier 2? ;-)

 

[Red Anders]

@OP where have you been, when the CG to build those racks only made it to tier 2? ;-)

Nope.

Plus I said above, the two ton rack was only unlocked at tier 4. After unlocking the one ton rack, nothing got unlocked for the next two tiers, nor did we know for sure that anything would unlock with further effort (until the text of the CG was changed during the event) which is one reason that participation declined.

The other one is that it was a relog-fest. Look at the amount of meta alloys collected in that screenie and bear in mind some people were delivering 300 at a time from relogging. Now try to imagine if people had done it 'properly' i.e. flown around the what, four or five barnacle sites we knew about back then and delivered 8-10 meta alloys at a time from a 30 minute or more loop. I'm not even sure it would have hit tier one.

If anybody wants to refresh their memory you can skim the posts in the old CGs thread about it; this link is in the middle of it:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/232105-Active-Community-Goals-Thread-5/page447

 

[Patau82]

@OP where have you been, when the CG to build those racks only made it to tier 2? ;-)

I was pushing that CG we reached just under tier 5, likely needed tier 6 for next size racks

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/239710-Neutralising-the-Unknown-Artefact-Threat-CG-guide

 

[RadiKyle]

I have two CRCRs fitted to my Anaconda, letting me hold one of each device, plus an extra slot (which my UA mysteriously duplicated into).

What?? [woah] How does this exploit work?! Can we just sit in a station and replicate/sell unlimited amounts for infinite profit and glory? [money]

 

[Martian Successor]

@OP, not gonna happen because station bombing will skyrocket.

 

[Xious]

Dear Rashhaverack,

The truth is, I merely exist as an artist's rendering and some developer's text.

While I am flattered that you would write me, I have to inform you that your efforts have been in vain.

Best Regards,

Prof. Palin