Attempt to sabotage our game

[yodajedifishmaster]

God, really? People are that dumb? "Think of the children?" - what about everyone who has started prior to PS4 going live. Or Xbox. Use. Your. Brain.

People can select any mode they want, on any platform supported. Nothing has changed. We just have more players now. Which is good. The amount of hand-ringing is just getting out of control.

As a side note, solo can force any system in to lockdown and thatncant even be stopped; versus open, where it can. So if we think about this for about half a nano-second how effective do you think trying to pull such a stunt in open will be, versus solo.

Meanwhile people have been screwing over systems in solo since - forever.

Brains, people. USE THEM.

wrong. it CAN be stopped. you just do the same thing the solo players do, whichever side they are on, whichever mode they are in : PLAY THE BGS AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED NOT AS A ARCADE SHOOTER. what part of 'players on both sides in solo' dont you get? the only difference is WE ARE NOT SHOOTING EACH OTHER just getting on with the job and being attacked by npcs. maybe the npcs are tougher in solo mode because i dont recognise all the bull about npcs being no threat or laugjhable. they are so laughable in solo i have spent thousands and thosuands of credits on repairs.

what you people are really doing is yet another force players into open to be ganked by our op top end combat only ships because they have ships built for other purposes than combat and cant fight back. you are also saying turn elite into a game where YOU CANT LOSE. sometimes people on the other side win. deal with it, be it players in solo beating your sides players in solo and thus winning because you pvpers beateach other to a draw in open or whatever. sometimes YOU WILL LOSE. this isnt your care bear universe where pvp always wins the day. this is ELITE DANGEROUS (god how i have waited to fling that back at you guys. it was worth the wait )

 

[jasonbarron]

maybe npcs are laughable to you but i still have to flee from them often even in my FAS. you assume everyone has the same OP overengineered big ship as you, and can just let all the npcs hammer your 9000mj shield all day long until your turrets autokill them. not my idea of fun i prefer to control when i fire so i never will use turrets on any ships. but i digress. npcs are not the cheap kill for everyone you assume. i dont tend to do undermining because im not entirely sure how you do so - but again you miss the point that there are players on both sides in solo. plus npcs on both sides. so the npcs in solo by your definition have an advantage over npcs in open simply because you cannot kill npcs in the wrong mode. its nonsensical and illogical. and its insulting to claim there are not threats in game other than other players or ones self.

Ziljan is not talking about running a 9000 mj ship letting the autocannons do all the work, but rather skill level.

 

[verminstar]

Ziljan is not talking about running a 9000 mj ship letting the autocannons do all the work, but rather skill level.

Actually yoda makes a good point and not all skill levels are equal...something that ziljan appears to ignore entirely...but carry on ^

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

Ziljan is not talking about running a 9000 mj ship letting the autocannons do all the work, but rather skill level.

im willing to bet the npcs have no chance against whatever he uses against them based as much on the mods and so on than just pure skill, but it also proves my point that not everyone has the dual hotas 6 screen setup and even if we did not everyone has god like reflexes and loves to fly FA-OFF at the least excuse. which begs the question, should ELITE DANGEROUS be only playable by a small elite gamer subsect, and not by casual gamers? i dont see FD continuing with the game if player numbers drop down to a mere few hundred pro gamer level players.

and i suspect this thread will get hotelised real soon.

 

[kofeyh]

wrong. it CAN be stopped. you just do the same thing the solo players do, whichever side they are on, whichever mode they are in : PLAY THE BGS AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED NOT AS A ARCADE SHOOTER. what part of 'players on both sides in solo' dont you get? the only difference is WE ARE NOT SHOOTING EACH OTHER just getting on with the job and being attacked by npcs. maybe the npcs are tougher in solo mode because i dont recognise all the bull about npcs being no threat or laugjhable. they are so laughable in solo i have spent thousands and thosuands of credits on repairs.

what you people are really doing is yet another force players into open to be ganked by our op top end combat only ships because they have ships built for other purposes than combat and cant fight back. you are also saying turn elite into a game where YOU CANT LOSE. sometimes people on the other side win. deal with it, be it players in solo beating your sides players in solo and thus winning because you pvpers beateach other to a draw in open or whatever. sometimes YOU WILL LOSE. this isnt your care bear universe where pvp always wins the day. this is ELITE DANGEROUS (god how i have waited to fling that back at you guys. it was worth the wait )

I don't care what modes people are in. But the core difference between solo and open, is that in open BGS changes can be directly impacted. In solo, only indirectly. Which automatically means one side wins. You can't stalemate the BGS in such a scenario.

Also I am not a PVP player. I'm just some dude who plays the game and would like the self-centred commanders on both sides to shut it, and not ruin the game I quite like. Can you do that?

Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I am real tired of two sides shouting past each other and happily trashing large parts of the game I enjoy. And would like to continue enjoying. I don't care what mode people select. I'd just ask that you not "help" Frontier trash endless parts of the game in some vindictive move against the other side.

It's gotten real old. I'm over it. And I nolonger humour people who want to perpetuate that.

That'd be great. Thanks. <3

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

I don't care what modes people are in. But the core difference between solo and open, is that in open BGS changes can be directly impacted. In solo, only indirectly. Which automatically means one side wins. You can't stalemate the BGS in such a scenario.

Also I am not a PVP player. I'm just some dude who plays the game and would like the self-centred commanders on both sides to shut it, and not ruin the game I quite like. Can you do that?

That'd be great. Thanks. <3

im highlighting this because i dont think people get it still. mind you i havent heard much about undermining resulting in a draw. it must happens sometimes, stalemate situation?

oh and nobody has the patience to just sit and take the taunts of carebear mode, solo is unfair because (mistaken belief here) etc indefinitely without responding. plus if nobody responds FD might eventually get the erroneous belief there is something to it and if solo goes so do i and my money. if i want to be ganked and play a game i cant enjoy due to others being pricks i can play EVE online. im arguing solo is fine as it is and not the unfair advanatage people assume because they lose because rather than WORK they just want to shoot people. im thus arguing for the status quo, not a change to open - unlike the other side as you put it.

 

[Vasco Sapien]

How is it pathetic that some PVP players are pushing the BGS in their own way? by the same token anyone who pushes the BGS to affect others is pathetic...

Im sorry what.?

Lets assume that im new to this game or better yet to this planet.

Can you please explain this to me so that i fully understand your perspective. Sell this argument to me, rationalise it with the intent to convince me.

(All within the context of this thread btw)

 

[jasonbarron]

im willing to bet the npcs have no chance against whatever he uses against them based as much on the mods and so on than just pure skill, but it also proves my point that not everyone has the dual hotas 6 screen setup and even if we did not everyone has god like reflexes and loves to fly FA-OFF at the least excuse. which begs the question, should ELITE DANGEROUS be only playable by a small elite gamer subsect, and not by casual gamers? i dont see FD continuing with the game if player numbers drop down to a mere few hundred pro gamer level players.

and i suspect this thread will get hotelised real soon.

You're bringing a whole lot of conjecture & guesswork into the conversation, Yoda. You don't know what ship or control setups that Ziljan uses, you're just throwing out blanket statements, essentially arguing out of both sides of your mouth. If someone is better than you, it must be their ship! If it's not their ship it's their fancy control setup and extra screens! If not that, it must be because NPC's are easier in Open! If not that it must be because they're a no-lifer who's taken the time to learn FA Off so who cares what they think!

One thing is beyond dispute though: NPC combat difficulty in ED is already calibrated to lowest common denominator. An argument against that is just silly.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

You're bringing a whole lot of conjecture & guesswork into the conversation, Yoda. You don't know what ship or control setups that Ziljan uses, you're just throwing out blanket statements, essentially arguing out of both sides of your mouth. If someone is better than you, it must be their ship! If it's not their ship it's their fancy control setup and extra screens! If not that, it must be because NPC's are easier in Open! If not that it must be because they're a no-lifer who's taken the time to learn FA Off so who cares what they think!

One thing is beyond dispute though: NPC combat difficulty in ED is already calibrated to lowest common denominator. An argument against that is just silly.

you did a good job of somehow missing the point and yet MAKING the points im making. thats a neat trick lol. i was making the exact point that ziljan made a lot of assumptions about other peoples ships and their skill levels being same as his. and then i made a calculated guess. if im wrong fine. that happens. im not psychic.

i have no such illusions about my own skill being tops. when you are this old you have to just deal with that. theres no room left for me to get better. and i agree that npcs have to be carefully balanced so that beginners in sideys arent put off from trying to play but somehow players who want more challenge also get that. i dont see how to square that circle and i dont envy FD the job. im more or less happy with the npcs i get, even if i have to flee at least i get the decision time to know i have to run now. but i get frustrated seeing everyone missing the point about solo not being a massive advantage in the BGS because one of the wrong assumptions is all solo players must be on the other side with no opposition. im arguing they are on both sides in solo and if they win its because the other side didnt do the work needed to beat them.

 

[kofeyh]

im highlighting this because i dont think people get it still. mind you i havent heard much about undermining resulting in a draw. it must happens sometimes, stalemate situation?

oh and nobody has the patience to just sit and take the taunts of carebear mode, solo is unfair because (mistaken belief here) etc indefinitely without responding. plus if nobody responds FD might eventually get the erroneous belief there is something to it and if solo goes so do i and my money. if i want to be ganked and play a game i cant enjoy due to others being pricks i can play EVE online.

... who the heck said anything about solo going? I just. Wow.

Okay, here's the thing. Disagree with just about everything. Mostly for sanity and logic reasons. So I'm going to not reply again lest it gives me a headache. Fly safe.

 

[verminstar]

Was following this as it was starting to get interesting with good points being raised...not so much now though...that didnt take long this time...its getting worse nurse lets amputate ^

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

... who the heck said anything about solo going? I just. Wow.

Okay, here's the thing. Disagree with just about everything. Mostly for sanity and logic reasons. So I'm going to not reply again lest it gives me a headache. Fly safe.

sorry thats just the way the argument always goes... solo is unfair lets get rid of it. i dont want you to get headaches. i wish you thargoid free jumps - unless thats your thing of course.

 

[Riverside]

Welcome to Hotel California...

 

[Skyjack]

haha miscalculation. This is so going to be much less of an event than advertised.

For one PS has a vastly different gen player base and an asymmetric gen conflict with us Clarke and Heinlein folks won't exist.

And secondly unlike Fdev Sony aren't exactly known for a light touch.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

haha miscalculation. This is so going to be much less of an event than advertised.

For one PS has a vastly different gen player base and an asymmetric gen conflict with us Clarke and Heinlein folks won't exist.

And secondly unlike Fdev Sony aren't exactly known for a light touch.

you mean ps4 owners like xbox owners wont get updates until sony (or ms) have gone over them and said... well ok.?

 

[Toddorts]

That's actually a YOU problem. You are already in the incorrect mindset that gankers have to be twisted or immature. In a game sorely lacking content players will make their own content and fun if they feel like it, including "unwanted" PvP interactions. It's the same reason watching Lost In Place do his GMOD trolling videos on Youtube is so hilarious. He's clearly got his stuff together and just doing it to have fun, but more importantly the reactions of others is just much more hilarious when they whine or scream or rage over something happening in god forbid an online game. I actually like and praise groups like the SDC if only because it makes things more interesting instead of being stale and boring (and yes I've been ganked and destroyed in my early days on Elite by the SDC, and I've later fled from them more recently in my Corvette since it's still not ready for combat like that).

Ganking doesn't mean we are mentally ill or immature. It's just something to do. And let's be real, some PvP'ers even posted vids or written out explanations about how to survive a gank and make it not worth the time of the ganker to keep trying. People unfortunately moreoften than not cannot be helped and will just ignore it and demand that the game cater to them in some form. What we get out of ganking though is everyones reactions and irrational complaints. I used to gank all the time on WoW back in the day on a PvP server, a server specifically designed for Open World PvP, and you know what happened? They'd log out, make a level 1 on my faction, and send capslocked rage posts to me, spam me, and curse at me like a little child, despite the game warned them they were picking a PvP server. It's hilarious as hell. Elite is no different, just because Open isn't called "PvP" it's understood that PvP can and WILL happen, sometimes against your will, if you don't like it, stay in Mobius or Solo.

In making a post trying to argue that ganking isn't immature, you demonstrated yourself as being completely immature. Not a surprise, but worth noting.

I've been flying in nothing but Open since getting the game, but after seeing the recent cowardly crap going on by PvP children at the Thargoid sites, I joined Mobius yesterday. All you do is drive more and more people away from Open.

 

[Erasmus Boone]

Yes I enjoy played ED...in bursts now and then.
Do I wish to continue? Do I have to? In its current form, not really which is why Im only casually playing right now.
Do I care that ganking will affect frontier? Not in the slightest no. Their game, their problem.
Would this affect me? Eventually yes, but it might hopefully jumpstart FD into doing something first about their own game. Also, we talking realistically a year or two down the line by which time some other new shiny space game will have entered the fray as it were, and all the jaded and fed up players from here will migrate. What happens to frontier? I dont really care if truth be told...if they care about their game, they will intervene and if they dont care, why should anyone else?

This indifference is entirely frontiers own doing and they are the only ones who can change things around at this point. Its called karma...ye ignore the players long enough and sooner or later they start ignoring ye right back. Nah...open can rot fer all I care personally, doesnt affect me in the slightest why should I care? When open players care about solo and PG players then maybe...maybe things could be different...but as a solo player attempting to build bridges before and being trampled all over amd constantly insulted...now ye see there are consequences to taking such a hard line and solo players cease to care ^

Not sure what you are getting at.
Thatdoesn't seem aimed at the point I was making to that other chap.

BTW I do however feel that the you are being unfair to FDEV. Whilst I feel they have made mistakes they clearly have not 'ignored players' as shown by the existance of these forums, the community team, their contribution to LAVECON this past weekend etc. I suspect you mean they have not done things the way you want.

Also I'm sure many open players care about solo/pg players, just as many solo/pg players care about open players, just as many open/solo/pg players care about other open/solo/pg players. What with humans being capable of empathy and all.

 

[Skyjack]

Women have testosterone too, and it has the same effect on women as it does on men. Because, surprise surprise, women and men are both human beings.

And ironically, the only intelligent life with zero-asymptotic testosterone is statistically over- rather than under-represented, blessed be the general thargoid guidelines for tailoring one's biochemistry

(lol actually i do know it's as banal as a lack of a homeworld, one's very own Teorge, results in a stronger longing for stars and absent/weak pack bond results in less deep space loneliness anxiety, rather any of it resulting from the chem profile - but the thargoid reference is too good to resist)

 

[kofeyh]

As a side note, the reason all the Thargoid stuff is in Anarchy, is due to Frontier essentially selecting them as part of keeping the red menace thargoids out of safer spaces, and some distance from the bubble, so people can "elect" to be invaded or not.

That this is where commanders have been told previously, to go fight, to go have all that risk and shooting and junk, in hindsight might not have been an optimal sequencing. It's like the perfect storm, really.

I guess it's really true - be careful what you wish for (or, ask Frontier to do). Frontier was essentially told to put the thargoids more or less where they have. I don't think you can really argue for an electable threat and then find out that electable threat has been placed exactly where frontier was told to put it, which happens to be in Anarchy systems where people are at non-zero risk of being shot at.

Please, don't misunderstand. I take no delight in that. At all. I just wish people would THINK about what they ask for. It would save a lot of angst.

 

[NW3]

i take it you want solo players penalised for not wantin g to be ganked for the lulz of sick minded individuals? i had thought you knew better about how the game works etc. its the undermining false argument all over 'solo shouldnt affect bgs because no way to stop it'. yes there is. play the bgs in whatever mode you are in on the other side INCLUDING ACKNOWLEDGING THE PLAYERS ON YOUR SIDE IN SOLO. solo has no 'advantage' over open. solo players are not hiding in some combat free risk free place. npcs are opposing us and i find them plenty challenging enough thank you. and combat was not intended to be the only way to play the BGS. others have said it before - assuming combat is the sum of all things is a mistake. play elite how it was designed dont complain its not Call of Duty in space.

Exactly! Rep++

Blockades and killing other players aren't even affective techniques against BSG. You need to work the BSG, not kill others, to affect the BSG state.

As a die-hard Solo player, I wouldn't mind if Open PvP was more like Call of Duty or OverWatch: No rebuy, just a time penalty while you respawn, with your goodies intact. The fact is, ED is a lousy PvP game; it's too one-sided, regarding penalties.