Because it's not that simple, the block function doesn't just mean you can't see the player, it's that you the blocked player can't instance with anyone else that's also with said player. If there's an instance with 20 people and just 1 has blocked you then guess what, you get empty instancing. What SHOULD happen at most is that the blocker is invisible or otherwise kept free from those that they block, and even that seems to be an abuse of a feature meant for harassment and not for using Open to keep only weaker players around to pick on.
Blocking feature being abused or was it intended to be this way? FDEV?
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Because it's not that simple, the block function doesn't just mean you can't see the player, it's that you the blocked player can't instance with anyone else that's also with said player. If there's an instance with 20 people and just 1 has blocked you then guess what, you get empty instancing. What SHOULD happen at most is that the blocker is invisible or otherwise kept free from those that they block, and even that seems to be an abuse of a feature meant for harassment and not for using Open to keep only weaker players around to pick on.
That's it. Block feature is needed, but it's in fact a duct tape for the lack of proper C and P.
Perpetuating the cycle of duct-taping.
Maybe not for you, but it would be fun for me, and worth while because of the "bribe".
Yes, this equals broken in my book. I mean, if a bunch of PvEers want to pull that stunt I guess I can understand once I try and see it through their filter, but the use of the Block feature goes far beyond that.
Ozric
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It's almost like they needed to move onto the next thing to complain about.
No. It is not guaranteed that you will get an empty instance at all (aside from the fact that there could well be plenty of other instances you end up in with players), blocking a player does NOT guarantee you will never be instanced with them. I guess this needs reiterating and facts set straight, as it was on the first page, because it appears some have forgotten.
For all the people saying "what's it to you" or "blocking is valid, same as murder-hoboing", or "block is their freedom choice". I do agree. Block is currently valid, it's not my business, etc.
What I do not agree at all is that it doesn't influence negatively the community, even if "it's been here for ages and the numbers still growing". If things go on as they are, there'll come the day when there'll be huge lists of Block, making it unacceptable for the "bad guys" to play the game in Open because there won't be any prey online. They are a part of the community, few as they are.
What you guys are trying to do isn't only getting rid of them by yourselves, but evacuating them from the game altogether. Only because you want Farmville in Space.
Who cares, right.
Cheers, m8.
What I do not agree at all is that it doesn't influence negatively the community, even if "it's been here for ages and the numbers still growing". If things go on as they are, there'll come the day when there'll be huge lists of Block, making it unacceptable for the "bad guys" to play the game in Open because there won't be any prey online. They are a part of the community, few as they are.
What you guys are trying to do isn't only getting rid of them by yourselves, but evacuating them from the game altogether. Only because you want Farmville in Space.
Who cares, right.
Cheers, m8.
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
No because it's a falsehood!
What about the friends list, which is an even more powerful tool for filling an instance with people for the sole intent of attacking unarmed players?
Well, to be perfectly honest, if they are acting and playing like tossers, then so what? I really don't see the difference between everyone decamping to Solo/PG in the end because of the few miscreants or no-one being able to instance with them because of the blocking, the net result is the same.
The difference is for the blockers. They get to play in Open that is free of the idiots.
Dunno who cares. You I guess. I definitely do not.
It boils down to: "You have no right to force any interaction with me. No, not even in Open.".
Except that's an artificial "issue" at best, because if there's an instance with 20 players in it you can bet that it isn't the only live instance of that area of space. If somebody in that 20-player instance has you blocked then you'll be in one of the others with the other players who don't have you blocked.
If you're winged up with folks that can get into that instance and you can't join them then it's pretty certain you'll do all the usual things a wing does to get into an instance together when the matchmaking is being flaky and your wingmates will likely end up in that other instance with you and the other players that haven't blocked you eventually.
If somebody is blocking stronger players for the purpose of preying on weaker ones that's self-defeating anyway because those weaker players will block HIM and so between his own block list and everybody else's it's the player abusing it that will end up instanced solo, not the others.
So really it isn't an issue at all.
If it really works this terribly... what an awful bandaid for lack of C&P.
Food for thought, there are large griefer laden wings, we're talking the real low grade full time station gankers, that have basically blocked real pvp group rosters so they don't have to fight anyone that can kill them. What do the naysayers of the OP say to this with the above mechanical contention in mind?
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As far as I'm aware, Frontier have always maintained that blocking was't a 100% guarantee to remove someone.
If you and the blocked player happen to have a common friend in an instance, then you will be put together regardless.
Without that 3rd person being online though, it will try to keep you apart but again it's still not 100% depending on server load, pings etc...
I'd like to see the information from Frontier that says the block feature is there just to prevent harassment because I've not seen that.
I know it's there so I can choose to block someone from my game if I don't wish to interact with them, but I don't recall any conditions being laid out for its use.
Omg. So much prejudice here.
Ye ye. It's Open, it should be: "you're supposed to expect unwanted interaction."
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
I do. All the time.
Exactly.
Oh, I do expect that in Open. But I reserve me the right to make it the last unwanted interaction with said player if it boils down to "I'm-going-to-shoot-you-for-the-lulz".
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
Yes, exactly. I'm glad you agree.
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Nope, just a refusal to play with people that act like idiots especially when their idea of fun is detrimental to my fun. That's one of the reasons I'm a Soloist.
I'll state it again; I really don't see the difference between everyone decamping to Solo/PG in the end because of the few miscreants or no-one being able to instance with them because of the blocking, the net result is the same.
The problem with this is that Open no longer is open with the blocking. I'd also argue that its fairly reasonable to expect to encounter all players in the main multiplayer mode without hindrance, in an epic multiplayer game, provided they aren't cheating, exploiting or hacking. After all if they are doing neither of the later then its all part of the game. Thats the experience many bought into.
So I'd respectfully suggest you are wrong, particularly considering there is solo and pg. Lets not forget the incoming cp/karma changes too
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