Confession of a shameless Mode Switcher...

[DukeIronHand]

The limit in my comparison is pretty obvious, isn't it? Until I was in an A rated Keelback, I was gaining rank a lot slower, for the obvious reasons. With no limits on starting funds, I'd obviously start with something like an Orca and get direct access to large luxury passenger entourages as well as regular VIPs. And again. you're now arguing that I didn't do what I just did? I'm literally jumping to pretty random stations picking up what they offer. I am "restarting" the random routes if I notice I'm drifting off into systems with low Imperial faction count. It's not very complicated. Did you also already forget that I mentioned you get plenty of donation missions on every station, one or two donations is enough to get cordinal-locked missions.
I mean, seriously, the point I'm still making is, you and others are claiming that Sothis is ten times faster for ranking up than playing the game. That it would take you 12-24 months to get to a Cutter if you wouldn't be board flipping. I've just showed you current exploits aren't even twice as fast, probably a lot less than that. While you're stuck playing "log off simulator 2017", I've been to dozens of tourist sites, visited all sorts of stations, flown 6 different ships, done bounty hunting, conflict zones, trading, smuggling and everything else. Playing the game every second of those precious hours you claim you can't lose. I mean, isn't your main complaint that you don't have time enough to play the game?

You have shown nothing. Are you intentionally trying not to understand the dozen of people on here?
No one is saying it would take 7 months of dedicated rank only gameplay to get to Baron. No one!
I am saying 7 months of gameplay. Been there. Lived it.
Read my OP...and understand.

 

[House0fDerp]

The limit in my comparison is pretty obvious, isn't it? Until I was in an A rated Keelback, I was gaining rank a lot slower, for the obvious reasons. With no limits on starting funds, I'd obviously start with something like an Orca and get direct access to large luxury passenger entourages as well as regular VIPs.

Ok, but that isn't the data you presented, so it's not the data we're using. If you wanted to argue from that data, you should have presented it.

And again. you're now arguing that I didn't do what I just did?

Not even remotely sure what you're referencing here.

I'm literally jumping to pretty random stations picking up what they offer. I am "restarting" the random routes if I notice I'm drifting off into systems with low Imperial faction count. It's not very complicated. Did you also already forget that I mentioned you get plenty of donation missions on every station, one or two donations is enough to get cordinal-locked missions.

Simple question, did you or did you not limit the mission start point to 1000 credits and a sidewinder? If so, and it appears you did, why was it relevant to create that start point? Why is it relevant to veteran players? Was it just a brag?

Most importantly, since the relevance is questionable, why are you so opposed to having those facts called out?

I mean, seriously, the point I'm still making is, you and others are claiming that Sothis is ten times faster for ranking up than playing the game.

Which I also stated was hyperbole, but I guess we'll keep ignoring that for the sake of you maintaining your point of argument.

That it would take you 12-24 months to get to a Cutter if you wouldn't be board flipping.

Realistically, yes, because sothis board flipping sort of locks me into mission interaction I wouldn't otherwise have. I've made more rank in the last week than I have the 6 months prior due to that time being spent away from the mission system.

I've just showed you current exploits aren't even twice as fast, probably a lot less than that. While you're stuck playing "log off simulator 2017", I've been to dozens of tourist sites, visited all sorts of stations, flown 6 different ships, done bounty hunting, conflict zones, trading, smuggling and everything else. Playing the game every second of those precious hours you claim you can't lose. I mean, isn't your main complaint that you don't have time enough to play the game?

No, you haven't shown anything but a picture of a rank and a play time. You've made some loose claims about methods that seem to shift randomly to everything and nothing as you just did, which hasn't matched up to the experiences of a number of players and still assumes your junk is glued to the mission board for 60% of the time by your own numbers. Add to that a lack of multihour sessions and yes, even be your numbers it could take months.

Or I can do it in a shorter time and carry this conversation on as well.

 

[duckofdeath]

You have shown nothing. Are you intentionally trying not to understand the dozen of people on here?
No one is saying it would take 7 months of dedicated rank only gameplay to get to Baron. No one!
I am saying 7 months of gameplay. Been there. Lived it.
Read my OP...and understand.

Maybe go back and ammend you OP if you now insist you've never said this?

"For the casual player, with no gimmicks or "exploits" or mode switching how long would it take to achieve high faction rank with "normal" gameplay...12-24 months I am guessing depending on how many hours a week you want to work at it? Good Lord."

Also, it wasn't more than a few comments since HouseofDerp argued board flipping is 10x faster for nearly no interaction. I'm just responding to imaginary "facts" you guys are spewing out here. If you don't like responses that doesn't agree with complete nonsense, why write it in the first place?

 

[House0fDerp]

Maybe go back and ammend you OP if you now insist you've never said this?

"For the casual player, with no gimmicks or "exploits" or mode switching how long would it take to achieve high faction rank with "normal" gameplay...12-24 months I am guessing depending on how many hours a week you want to work at it? Good Lord."

Also, it wasn't more than a few comments since HouseofDerp argued board flipping is 10x faster for nearly no interaction. I'm just responding to imaginary "facts" you guys are spewing out here. If you don't like responses that doesn't agree with complete nonsense, why write it in the first place?

The irony here.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Maybe go back and ammend you OP if you now insist you've never said this?

"For the casual player, with no gimmicks or "exploits" or mode switching how long would it take to achieve high faction rank with "normal" gameplay...12-24 months I am guessing depending on how many hours a week you want to work at it? Good Lord."

Also, it wasn't more than a few comments since HouseofDerp argued board flipping is 10x faster for nearly no interaction. I'm just responding to imaginary "facts" you guys are spewing out here. If you don't like responses that doesn't agree with complete nonsense, why write it in the first place?

Good god. I am done trying to help you not look foolish.
12-24 months of "normal gameplay." Yea. That's what I said and that's what I mean.

 

[duckofdeath]

Good god. I am done trying to help you not look foolish.
12-24 months of "normal gameplay." Yea. That's what I said and that's what I mean.

Right back at you, mate. Seriously. The amount of stubborn stupid, defended with "yeah, but I obviously didn't mean what i wrote, so, you're the fool" arguments on here is quite pathetic. Kind of like a kindergarten sandbox....

 

[House0fDerp]

Right back at you, mate. Seriously. The amount of stubborn stupid, defended with "yeah, but I obviously didn't mean what i wrote, so, you're the fool" arguments on here is quite pathetic. Kind of like a kindergarten sandbox....

You do realize you just compared numbers in the op for non-rank focused gameplay to a statement about rank focused gameplay not taking the same time right?

 

[duckofdeath]

You do realize you just compared numbers in the op for non-rank focused gameplay to a statement about rank focused gameplay not taking the same time right?

48 hours is still 100% mixed game play. That's not a year's worth of gaming. That's 2-3 weeks for a casual gamer. 4-6 weeks to get to The cutter. The only thing you'd be required to do is to understand the game. You're the one arguing the goal is one of the two big ships. Not I, don't try to flip this on my when you're the one upset about you not understanding the possibilities of the game. If you even try to argue that playing the game itself is a grind, then, please for the love of the community, stop playing it.

 

[House0fDerp]

48 hours is still 100% mixed game play. That's not a year's worth of gaming. That's 2-3 weeks for a casual gamer. 4-6 weeks to get to The cutter. The only thing you'd be required to do is to understand the game. You're the one arguing the goal is one of the two big ships. Not I, don't try to flip this on my when you're the one upset about you not understanding the possibilities of the game. If you even try to argue that playing the game itself is a grind, then, please for the love of the community, stop playing it.

Ok, so simple breakdown. You said 30 hours actually doing missions, so ~60% of your time specifically dedicated to the mission system. I'm not sure one wouldn't call the thing they spent most of their time doing as gameplay "not focused" on that thing. Especially when the diversions were described as that and that's on top of just throwing out "I spend probably 18 of those 48 hours not missioning". So a 60% mission player counts himself as not rank centric then suggests that this pace is normal.
you also mentioned limiting your travels to imperially well populated systems.

I'd argue that person doesn't know what certain words mean. For a time I had a closer to a 10% mission time vs other things ratio. Then there was a long period in which I did no missions because that wasn't what I was doing. For me that was "normal" gameplay. Op clearly assumes normal gameplay isn't 60%+ mission based. I'd assume the same. Given your earlier "if you don't like missions you obviously can't like the game" line (paraphrased) we're clearly dealing with a different definition of normal.

 

[Jockey79]

48 hours is still 100% mixed game play. That's not a year's worth of gaming. That's 2-3 weeks for a casual gamer. 4-6 weeks to get to The cutter. The only thing you'd be required to do is to understand the game. You're the one arguing the goal is one of the two big ships. Not I, don't try to flip this on my when you're the one upset about you not understanding the possibilities of the game. If you even try to argue that playing the game itself is a grind, then, please for the love of the community, stop playing it.

So you did 48 hours, ONCE.

In a game that is heavily reliant on RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG. Doing something ONCE doesn't make it fact, or impressive.
You could reset your save and do it again, but it may take longer. It may even be faster - but either way, you'd need to run this little experiment a few times to find out.

And of course, this relies on people playing the game your way (constantly running missions), not their way (In my case, A-B-A trading with a side of missions from time to time).

You're also ignoring that some folks get 30 minutes a week gaming, so you "4-6 weeks" is wrong there as well.
You're making the assumption everyone can spare the same time as you. Some have more, some have less.

 

[etien]

Never switched, never exploited, been playing since start ( founder here ) nowhere close to elite, hardly engineered, got a half backed FDL, a decent AssX and a bad a.s Keelback. And I enjoy every second of it.

 

[House0fDerp]

Never switched, never exploited, been playing since start ( founder here ) nowhere close to elite, hardly engineered, got a half backed FDL, a decent AssX and a bad a.s Keelback. And I enjoy every second of it.

Ok.

 

[duckofdeath]

So you did 48 hours, ONCE.

In a game that is heavily reliant on RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG. Doing something ONCE doesn't make it fact, or impressive.
You could reset your save and do it again, but it may take longer. It may even be faster - but either way, you'd need to run this little experiment a few times to find out.

And of course, this relies on people playing the game your way (constantly running missions), not their way (In my case, A-B-A trading with a side of missions from time to time).

You're also ignoring that some folks get 30 minutes a week gaming, so you "4-6 weeks" is wrong there as well.
You're making the assumption everyone can spare the same time as you. Some have more, some have less.

What the eff are you on about? 48 hours of gameplay, doing intelligently chosen random things nullifies the RNG. As you can vaguely see on the screenshots I provided I've done around 550 system jumps. RNG is an irrelevant factor at that point.
Again, I'm not making any assumption on spared time. That's the unfounded claim in the original post. That it would take up to two years for a casual player to get a Cutter. That is only a fact if that casual player refuses to learn the mechanics in the game he's playing.
At the current rate I'm at, it looks like I might get the required rank for a Cutter in about 30-40 more active game hours. I'm already halfway through the Baron rank.
Yet, more unintelligent exaggerations to defend cheating. If the average gamer plays 30 minutes per week they're not playing Elite. Stop lying to make worthless counter arguments.

Yes, ranking up fast requires you to do the right thing. That's not rocket science. That's the whole point of the original post. "I wasn't able to get it playing honest, so I cheat". Remember? Try playing intelligently while playing honestly and you'll realise the cheats really aren't that great.
And for the umpteenth time, read my comment and see I've spent a lot of time in those 48 hours not focusing on ranks.

 

[DukeIronHand]

What the eff are you on about? 48 hours of gameplay, doing intelligently chosen random things nullifies the RNG. As you can vaguely see on the screenshots I provided I've done around 550 system jumps. RNG is an irrelevant factor at that point.
Again, I'm not making any assumption on spared time. That's the unfounded claim in the original post. That it would take up to two years for a casual player to get a Cutter. That is only a fact if that casual player refuses to learn the mechanics in the game he's playing.
At the current rate I'm at, it looks like I might get the required rank for a Cutter in about 30-40 more active game hours. I'm already halfway through the Baron rank.
Yet, more unintelligent exaggerations to defend cheating. If the average gamer plays 30 minutes per week they're not playing Elite. Stop lying to make worthless counter arguments.

Yes, ranking up fast requires you to do the right thing. That's not rocket science. That's the whole point of the original post. "I wasn't able to get it playing honest, so I cheat". Remember? Try playing intelligently while playing honestly and you'll realise the cheats really aren't that great.
And for the umpteenth time, read my comment and see I've spent a lot of time in those 48 hours not focusing on ranks.

Your like a god.
*Yawn*
Play the game however you want.

EDIT: Mods this thread is expired and past it's shelf life. It no longer serves any purpose and the stench of gibberish is palpable.
Please close.

 

[kofeyh]

Strange reaction when they're fine with it isn't it?

Essentially? It's not important enough right now to dedicate the resources required. Which means Frontier don't care about it as much as a few commanders do. So one can get very upset about it, or realise that the developer has finite time and finite resources, and they do not see it as a catastrophic issue requiring immediate resourcing. This may be at odds with some assumptions about how much of an issue it actually is.

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