The salt would suddenly flow from those that bought it ..... remember the threads when we first received access to the ship?
But its not too shabby when the engineers have had a go at it.
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The salt would suddenly flow from those that bought it ..... remember the threads when we first received access to the ship?
But its not too shabby when the engineers have had a go at it.
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Yep that's what Anders is failling to understand. At one point Horizon was titled "early access" on steam and was promptly changed to beta and then to season pass not long after. However the Cobra mark IV was advertised as an exclusive bonus for those who bought and pitched in early. I know because that's what sold me on buying the "early access super duper beta season pass" what ever it was called at the time.
Anyway point being is that the dates are highly irrelevant at this point. It was an exclusive bonus and they probably locked it because of the early on confusion for an obvious reason.
Opening it to everybody would warrant a refund.
An easy paypal dispute to win. You'd be eligible for a refund under the customer protection policy and frontier wouldn't be able to do much about it because digital goods are not protected by the seller protection program.
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Well I fail to see anything in here regarding Kickstarters, backers, or anyone other than those who started playing in the first year, but...
First of all, it is not required to declare "Check", let alone "Checkmate". Many chess players consider announcing "Check" to be rude.
So let's expand a bit on this:
"Elite Dangerous: Horizons will be available to pre-order on our store today, and I’m very happy to announce all existing Elite Dangerous players will receive a £10 loyalty discount off the Horizons retail price. Existing players will also unlock the exclusive Cobra Mk IV ship in Elite Dangerous: Horizons. The Cobra Mk IV will be available in the game only to players who joined us in the first year – forever. It’s our ‘thank you’ for your faith in the game, and you’ll see more of the Cobra Mk IV in Friday’s Peek Of The Week.
Due to popular demand, we’ve also decided to bring back for a limited time the lifetime expansion pass. It should appear in our store later today."
Those who have had access will not lose access. But it's the last line:
"Due to popular demand, we've also decided to bring back for a limited time the lifetime expansion pass."
So, perhaps a better, more fitting solution, would be to make access to the Cobra IV a limited availability - much like Chrome Eagle paintjobs were released as part of a CG, perhaps a specific, special event.
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As much as I think it would be a great idea for the many who decide to participate in that event, they can't do that.
It was advertised as exclusivity – forever.
If they open it I know for a fact I will have many friends who are going to fill for a paypal dispute.
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Don't worry; if you were able to buy one, you wouldn't. And if you did, it would kill you anyway. It's not worth the storage space. Frontier should not make it available. Arguably it should never have been made available. It's just terrible.
Sorry.
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To make that connection, between the Cobra Mk IV and the LTE Pack, you have to show that the LTE was promised as an exclusive one time opportunity to acquire. Otherwise, it 'Apples and Oranges'.
Opening it to everybody would warrant a refund per steam policy.
An easy paypal dispute to win. You'd be eligible for a refund under the customer protection policy and frontier wouldn't be able to do much about it because digital goods are not protected by the seller protection program.[/QUOTE]
And for those who didn't purchase from Steam? For those who don't use Paypal?
Or let's just look at that policy:
https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/...-policy-and-what-items-aren’t-covered-faq1156
"Seller protection does not provide protection for:
- Claims, chargebacks, or reversals for items significantly not as described.
- Intangible items, licenses for digital content, and services."
So, unless you've had a Cobra IV delivered to your place of residence, this would be an "Intangible item" and this not protected.
Now, those EU players might consider Right of Withdraw - https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8620-QYAL-4516
But... Odds are you've been playing longer than 14 days, so you're just plain SOL there, especially if you do have access to the Cobra IV, proving you've been around longer than 14 days.
Add the additional complication of Brexit for UK players, and the UK withdrew from the EU, making them ineligible for this clause.
Now Steam does generally belly-up easier than most when it comes to refunds, but: http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/
"Where Refunds ApplyThe Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store. Here is an overview of how refunds work with other types of purchases.
[h=2]Refunds on Downloadable Content
(Steam store content usable within another game or software application, "DLC")[/h]DLC purchased from the Steam store is refundable within fourteen days of purchase, and if the underlying title has been played for less than two hours since the DLC was purchased, so long as the DLC has not been consumed, modified or transferred. Please note that in some cases, Steam will be unable to give refunds for some third party DLC (for example, if the DLC irreversibly levels up a game character). These exceptions will be clearly marked as nonrefundable on the Store page prior to purchase."
It's been much longer than 14 days, once again. I'll bet you've more than 2 hours of play time as well.
Be glad I'm not actually a lawyer.
Sole Hunter
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Better yet they should just release the Cobra Mark V, voilà problem solved!
Sole Hunter
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Steam purchases with paypal fall under : licenses for digital content
You'd be iligible for a refund due to the item being sold digitally and not sold as per described if you fill a dispute with paypal.
I've done it with other games in the past, for example ''Hellgate London'' back in the day did the very exact same thing. They changed early purchase bonuses and added lifetime subscriptions and the game closed down shortly after. I filled for a dispute and won after 20 days.
Anyhow, I could still fill under the protection consumer act in my country since they protect us from all services and goods purchased abroad and their TOS would be toilet paper since that law supersede their policies.
As for the steam policy, that's just for regular game purchases. You should check up the legal policy on altered products after release. If you don't know what I am talking about search for what happened to ''No man's sky'' after release. They issued refunds way past the 14 days playable deadline.
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Is this some kind of cunning ploy to get people to support opening up the Cobra MkIV to everybody?
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No I do not support the release of the Cobra MkIV to everybody. I own one myself and while I do not like the ship I would feel betrayed as a customer if they released it.
I would rather see the release of the Cobra MkV.
I just think people need to understand the Cobra MkIV will never be released to everybody no matter how hard they pray to David Braben at night.
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It was a joke. Seemed appropriate considering the topic is you refunding Horizons (again) to get back your, what was it, $2?
What's this $2? Horizons was £39.99, or £29.99 with the £10 discount.
Now, some people bought Horizons because it included an exclusive ship, otherwise without it, they might not have ( I know I know .. but people do do that, lol ); by taking away the exclusivity of the ship, those players might feel like they were conned into buying the Horizons product.
I'd say it's not about the money, not really - it's about being promised something exclusive for parting with their money, only to have the exclusivity taken away later on; even after it was stated that the CMKIV would be a once off thing.
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a little unfair - it's not that bad:-
[video=youtube_share;9jCTXUsxcMo]https://youtu.be/9jCTXUsxcMo[/video]
I'd be happy for Frontier to open up access to the MkIV, even though I've got access as a life backer.
I think these "one time exclusive deals" are a bit silly. Thankfully it seems like FD have now got some sense on the issue and aren't using such language as much anymore.
Perhaps FD could sell access in the store to the MkIV for a fiver or something. I'd rather people get access to what they want and FD make some cash to support the development of the game I've already paid for lifetime access too.
It's not really a "pay to win" as plenty of players already have access to the MkIV so it's only equalising the playing field. And it's uses as a ship are fairly limited anyway.
I think these "one time exclusive deals" are a bit silly. Thankfully it seems like FD have now got some sense on the issue and aren't using such language as much anymore.
Perhaps FD could sell access in the store to the MkIV for a fiver or something. I'd rather people get access to what they want and FD make some cash to support the development of the game I've already paid for lifetime access too.
It's not really a "pay to win" as plenty of players already have access to the MkIV so it's only equalising the playing field. And it's uses as a ship are fairly limited anyway.
And so the cycle repeats....
It was sold as an exclusive item. It cannot then not be exclusive. Hopes, goodwill or anything else doesn't come into it.
(And yes it was a horrible idea to make a ship an exclusive, one I hope they never repeat)
Can we just close this thread and move on please mods, there's really nothing left to say that already hasn't been repeated for 15 pages. The OP left the discussion on page 1!
It was sold as an exclusive item. It cannot then not be exclusive. Hopes, goodwill or anything else doesn't come into it.
(And yes it was a horrible idea to make a ship an exclusive, one I hope they never repeat)
Can we just close this thread and move on please mods, there's really nothing left to say that already hasn't been repeated for 15 pages. The OP left the discussion on page 1!
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i am certain this will have been said already.. however. given how iconic the cobra IV is, i think our iv is a bit of a travesty.
imo rebrand the current mk IV to MKIII "Heavy" or something because it is not really a new ship
then release a true cobra MKIV which is more fitting with the lore and what fans were hoping for for years with the iconic ship in the elite franchise.
obviously the "new" mk IV would have to be available for all.
personally i would be fine with releasing the rebranded MK III "Heavy" to everyone and possibly giving the current people a free skin for said ship, but if they dont then i am ok with that too.
the problem with the MKIV is imo, because it was a limited ship giving to a small number of people (whom i am one) meant that the ship could not really be a "good" ship as P2W etc, and equally the devs clearly could not justify spending the amount of time on the ship that, really the jewel in the elite crown so obviously deserves. imo the limited ship (if they really wanted to have one) would have been better off being the asp scout or the DB scout
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imo FD screwed up ever using the cobra MK IV as a bonus ship, it looks to me like a decision made by someone who either did not think it through, or who does not really understand the importance of the cobra IV (imo its the same kind of thinking which was shown by Sandro in his confusion as to why people would expect imperial slaves to need a passenger pod rather than be cargo)
imo rebrand the current mk IV to MKIII "Heavy" or something because it is not really a new ship
then release a true cobra MKIV which is more fitting with the lore and what fans were hoping for for years with the iconic ship in the elite franchise.
obviously the "new" mk IV would have to be available for all.
personally i would be fine with releasing the rebranded MK III "Heavy" to everyone and possibly giving the current people a free skin for said ship, but if they dont then i am ok with that too.
the problem with the MKIV is imo, because it was a limited ship giving to a small number of people (whom i am one) meant that the ship could not really be a "good" ship as P2W etc, and equally the devs clearly could not justify spending the amount of time on the ship that, really the jewel in the elite crown so obviously deserves. imo the limited ship (if they really wanted to have one) would have been better off being the asp scout or the DB scout
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imo FD screwed up ever using the cobra MK IV as a bonus ship, it looks to me like a decision made by someone who either did not think it through, or who does not really understand the importance of the cobra IV (imo its the same kind of thinking which was shown by Sandro in his confusion as to why people would expect imperial slaves to need a passenger pod rather than be cargo)
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Or just release a new cobra to all, and leave the IV as a footnote in the "we thought it was a good idea at the time, welp, we were so wrong" annals of history. It's not an exclusive, if it stops being an exclusive, no?
This! SO MUCH THIS!
I bought a limited edition Bugatti the other day. They phoned me up and told me that they wanted to make more due to demand and thought that they could have done better, that it wasn't iconic enough - so someone would be popping over to rebrand it as a Volkswagen if that was ok. But I've bought a Bugatti I told them! I think it should remain a Bugatti!
OK I don't own a Bugatti, but there's a point in there somewhere.
I'm out anyway. Leaving this blackhole for hopes and dreams to spin on by itself...
OK I don't own a Bugatti, but there's a point in there somewhere.
I'm out anyway. Leaving this blackhole for hopes and dreams to spin on by itself...
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