Elite in Rollingstone magazine
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Oh, we're not going to get any new info until after Gamescon at the earliest.
Clearly we read two different articles.
No it isn't (boring and shallow).
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Wait, which part now?
Damn, you ninja'd my edit!
A lead WHAT developer? Since you're throwing out terms, better be clear about what they are supposed to mean.
Considering 2.4 is IIRC supposed to be out in Q3, Gamescom better have some fancy moving visuals on show
like usual. the whole article is kind of a hagiographic interview of braben, where he lays out (again) the praise of the imaginary game that elite really isn't. while i appreciate and am grateful for his creation, and i love the game despite it's shortcomings, braben's delusions of grandeur really do sound more and more like a broken record. nothing to see here, just celebrity fluff ...
Not quite sure where you get that "Games are meant to be released s finished products" Probably 20+ years ago when updates would have to be posted out to you, but not in today's gaming climate.
I think most of the ED community is emotionally invested in the game, The original was 30 odd years ago and a good percentage of us were about back then and loved the game then and still love it today, I wouldn't call them toxic though quite the opposite in fact. Yes people complain about aspects that either they don't like or feel isn't up to their expectations but as long as they are constructive in their criticism then their voices are a valuable part of the ongoing development process.
Never said the game is fine as is. I just understand that from the very beginning Frontier made it crystal clear that the game would be made under a continuing development process and so far I haven't got my underwear bunched up over something I don't like... Not a fan of Powerplay or Engineering, but it for me doesn't stop me enjoying the game as a whole.
David does indeed has his opinion on the game just as I and you do yourself, we differ and that's fine I tend not to slap a blanket black or white opinion on things.
Still interested in what your suspicions are.
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Well my suspicions are that a certain person with two initials that rhyme with "Gee" and "Ray" is to blame
Well my suspicions are that a certain person with two initials that rhyme with "Gee" and "Ray" is to blame
Well, that's true with a lot of games where there is no real development after release other than bug fixes.
But this is not that type of game. The game at release was a foundation for years of further development. Given the scale and ambition of a game like this, what would be considered "complete" anyway? The game was a bit empty at release but that was OK with me, because the core gameplay of piloting a spaceship was there and I knew more would come, and it has. To me, that sure beats waiting and waiting for something like Star Citizen to be "finished."
I came to the same conclusion and 20+ years veteran here.
Concur that, not everyone here can recall Battle Cruiser 3000 though...
Personally I liked the game and believe it to be a very close update of original
[up] JWM Turner, wish there were more Frank Franzetta.
Dr. Hook says it best...
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post edit: forgot to thank OP. Thank you
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Possibly one of the worst "mistakes" David makes is the assumption that most players would bother looking at anything beyond the raw mechanics a game is rubbing into their faces.
Spoiler: they don't.
And now for our scheduled rant, because it's only Tuesday and the week still has three days to go after this. (Disclaimer: I do not axiomatically exclude myself from "them" at all times.)
If there was a commodity, say, "freshly harvested toddler stem cells", that could be sold to any station at a fixed, high margin, but would lead to the receiving station shutting down from turmoil and outbreak after a certain number had been sold there, most stations inside the bubble would be dead. Most players see "oh here's a number that I can make into a bigger number by clicking this, then flying there, then clicking that, and I will need to find a new destination after doing that eight times." There is no consideration of the flavour, no introspection, no self-awareness. They are playing the game the way a machine would. And as neat as anything like the slavery models may be worked out, it does not matter because "nobody" (statistically speaking) even knows about it! People will be happily ferrying around dissidents dropping systems towards turmoil.
It's a general problem that game designers face, and it's especially egregious in MMORPGs, but applies here. When was the last time you really slowed down and read that multi-paragraph quest description that some poor sod of a writer penned down, cleared with designers, rewrote, re-cleared, and generally poured a bit of their heart into? Yeah, guessed so. You saw "go to <close enough>, fetch <didn't read> to get <number of an appropriate length>¤ and <sufficiently high number> XP". Then you ripped through the "story" (damn those cutscenes are annoying, why isn't there an option to turn them off?), went on the forums, and complained that there was "no content". Yes there was, and it was expensive to create, but if designers took the logical step of cutting out all that unnecessary fluff, people (in part even the same) would complain that it's missing. Well <expletive deleted>¹ that job.
I, too, sometimes get depressed by human nature, just maybe for different reasons.
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¹ This is a pop culture reference for which many here may be too young. I have a theory that there is significant correlation between liking that movie and liking this game.
Spoiler: they don't.
And now for our scheduled rant, because it's only Tuesday and the week still has three days to go after this. (Disclaimer: I do not axiomatically exclude myself from "them" at all times.)
If there was a commodity, say, "freshly harvested toddler stem cells", that could be sold to any station at a fixed, high margin, but would lead to the receiving station shutting down from turmoil and outbreak after a certain number had been sold there, most stations inside the bubble would be dead. Most players see "oh here's a number that I can make into a bigger number by clicking this, then flying there, then clicking that, and I will need to find a new destination after doing that eight times." There is no consideration of the flavour, no introspection, no self-awareness. They are playing the game the way a machine would. And as neat as anything like the slavery models may be worked out, it does not matter because "nobody" (statistically speaking) even knows about it! People will be happily ferrying around dissidents dropping systems towards turmoil.
It's a general problem that game designers face, and it's especially egregious in MMORPGs, but applies here. When was the last time you really slowed down and read that multi-paragraph quest description that some poor sod of a writer penned down, cleared with designers, rewrote, re-cleared, and generally poured a bit of their heart into? Yeah, guessed so. You saw "go to <close enough>, fetch <didn't read> to get <number of an appropriate length>¤ and <sufficiently high number> XP". Then you ripped through the "story" (damn those cutscenes are annoying, why isn't there an option to turn them off?), went on the forums, and complained that there was "no content". Yes there was, and it was expensive to create, but if designers took the logical step of cutting out all that unnecessary fluff, people (in part even the same) would complain that it's missing. Well <expletive deleted>¹ that job.
I, too, sometimes get depressed by human nature, just maybe for different reasons.
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¹ This is a pop culture reference for which many here may be too young. I have a theory that there is significant correlation between liking that movie and liking this game.
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Right, I'm immature for disagreeing with you, get over yourself.
Ohhh, pot, kettle, black.
I pride my self on only having a single Cmdr on ignore... You've made it two. Congratulations and goodbye.
Can't argue with the truth so you'll just ignore it instead, copy that.