Players are not a commodity. They decide when, if and where they spend their time. No amount of "I want" is going to influence them.
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Players are not a commodity. They decide when, if and where they spend their time. No amount of "I want" is going to influence them.
Those people that enjoy the randomness can certainly find it. Those that aren't looking for that don;t have to endure it for the pleasure of others. There is no social compact here, there is nothing stating I owe my time to those in open. Everybody goes their own way, and you get what's left. Done. You can only expect to play along with those that seek the same environment as you do.
That's strange, every time i visit a CGs area i always see the same CMDR names labelled on PvP focused ship waiting in supercruise, whereas i can't remember having seen twice the name of a CMDR doing a trade or PVE bounty hunting CG.
PvPer ARE the minority, just because you are all vocals on discords server doesn't mean that you represent the majority of players.
Yeah but you're stating the historic, and current, state of the game. Yes, you are correct, I can only expect to play the game as it currently coded.
I'm just hoping for a change. With only one mode, this topic would not exist. Instead, we would be focused (read : b***ing) on how to balance professions / upgrades / ships / rebuy cost / piracy / murder punishment, etc.
But that "only one mode" change will probably never happen, so you already won on that front, relax.
What could happen though, is for people to want to play open again. This I would like. Make open great again ([wacko]). And not only for pvp, just for your regular ED session : you'd naturally pick open.
For this we would need 2 things to happen I guess :
- identify why so many people left that mode (first look, seems rather easy : they don't like to die to other players. There could be more to it, though), and ofc address the issue(s) ;
- maybe even bring incentives for people to join open again, so that everyone could get the full ED experience, piracy, murder and... griefing, included. This would require some work on the devs side. Wings and dividends were great, for instance!
And with that I'm done, this topic will probably end up like the last one, filled with 90% one liners from people who don't give a damn, because again, they are satisfied with solo/private, and it's the internet, so might as well have some "fun".
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All of that is done. The process is underway to address what FD sees as issues and they are working up a plan. But, I don't believe open will find any players returning, because the C&P and Notoriety systems won't stop one sided PvP. In the long run it may curtail the worst, but any system is made to be played. Once the nut and bolts of how this stuff works is sussed, it will become the new game to get as close to edge as possible. Open is doomed.
Plus, open doesn't deserve some extra sympathy. Open doesn't require a helping hand. If we take all of the players playing, why should it matter to FD how people enjoy their game? Well, except for the constant carping on how open needs this and that. Open is just one way to access the game. It is not some pinnacle of play. Open has nothing a PG doesn't have, except the annoyances.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/365382-Elite-Carebear?p=5742083&viewfull=1#post5742083
Do i also have to explain why 100% of players are involved in PvE ?
Not sure where you have been and when. During the last CG, for example, the destination station was so crowded in Moebius PVE that it ran out of large landing pads. Easily around ten hollow squares at a time. Also, you meet other commanders in all the other hot spots. Overall, it appears to be much more busy than six months ago.
Off the beaten path, you are unlikely to meet anybody. But that is valid for Open as well.
> go south
You are standing in front of the Hotel California. It is an old high-rise building with a Victorian style facade. The place looks very run down, with discoloured plaster crumbling and the hotel's neon sign flickering. In front of the hotel, some menacing looking guys with eye patches and barely concealed guns are hanging about.
What do you want to do?
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> I.
You are carrying: a towel, a cuddly stuffed pastel bear, an energy bomb, and a final demand bill from the cheapest ISP imaginable.
Cuddle bear and activate energy bomb.
To me open is what makes the galaxy feel alive, dangerous and thrilling. I do everything in open, and I've met amazing people there working together for a whole variety of reasons, working together for a common goal. Made great friends and fearsome enemies.
IMO there should be only two modes, solo, for obvious reasons, and open.
PS: I'm not a ganker.
BTW: The fact that you can manipulate the BGS from solo or private is a design abomination.
IMO there should be only two modes, solo, for obvious reasons, and open.
PS: I'm not a ganker.
BTW: The fact that you can manipulate the BGS from solo or private is a design abomination.
See the link to the "Wall of Information" in my Sig, it has all the information on the Mode system right from the Kickstarter.
It was advertised with the mode system, funded with the mode system and developed with the mode system.
Yup, due to the above mentioned link
1) Because people want to play their game without being a constant victim. And it's not as if Code/SDC (other PK / Pirate groups are available) are pulling over random NPC traders to blow them up for fun - they only target humans because they know who the humans are on the scanner and want to get a rise out of them.
2) "Incentives" break the mode balance. At the moment, all trade/bounties/exploration is worth the same no matter the mode. Changing that would cause a storm of angry players and also lots of cheating by fiddling with network settings to play open for the bonus but still only see friends or no one else. (Try turning UPnP off in your router and see what happens to Elite - even busy CGs become dead without UPnP and FD can do nothing over you disabling a router setting, one that some routers by default have turned off)
People do care but are fed up arguing over it. We've had this for almost 3 years.
FD has been clear about it - I can play how I want, you can play how you want.... but you cannot make me play how you want.
So if you want to fly about being nasty, you can - but we don't have to let you be nasty to us. You have the NPCs for that.
and was a main selling point in the Kickstarter..... so why buy something that is as advertised?
Right, there is no balance between the modes now.
How about Agony's excellent analysis of the balance: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...rs-for-your-consideration-(1)-trading-in-Open
SNORE Another Hotel California thread. Kill it or merge it. It serves no purpose except to inflame. At least merged into the HC thread, no one will bother reading it.
There is only one truism in these threads, get rid of any one or two modes and the player base dies and none of us want that.
There is only one truism in these threads, get rid of any one or two modes and the player base dies and none of us want that.
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Well to be fair for 90% of activities you can do, the sheer scale of the game makes the modes equal. CGs, especially the CGs promoting a player faction, or super power are the problem for me. BGS would be more interesting if it was not PvE only (due to modes).
Simon
People have differing personalities, and the differing modes reflect that diversity. You can *want* people to play your way all you like, but achieving anything will probably require a sequence of frontal lobotomies or mind altering drugs.
I *want* to play in solo - I like not meeting others. Your mileage (and personality) may vary.
Cheers, Phos.
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I fully agree. I have never intentionally played in Open and I never will. I want to play in Solo,. Therefore, it is impossible for me to "want to go back to open" as you naively suggest. Phos and I are not the only ones that feel this way and it seems that we are not the only ones.
Of course, no-one knows what the ratio between the "Only Solo" players and "Abandoned Open" players is, but it could well be that the Solo only players are the majority. We'll never know I guess.
Also, your assumption that playing in Solo/PG is not giving a damn is also naive. We do care about the game very much, just not the way you want to play it.
I've said it before and no doubt I'll say it many time in the future, you should be careful about projecting your own views and opinions upon the player base in general. We are not all of a kind and just because you think one way does not mean that we think that way. I'd hazard a guess and say that only a minority of players feel as you do, but that's only a guess.
I care very much about the game, just not combat PvP. Does that make me a carebear?
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Nah, it's entirely intentional. Also, with there now being three different platforms from which you could operate in open whilst never even having the possibility of being instanced with people from another platform, that line of thought holds even less weight than it might otherwise have done in the past.
FWIW, meeting amazing people is not limited to open play modes.
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