Cry Havoc, And Let Slip The Dogs Of Destruction!

The time of peaceful coexistence amongst PS4 gamers has come to an end. The galaxy is now indeed "dangerous" if you play in open. I was just destroyed with impunity from a ship that has might as well been General Chang's cloaked Bird Of Prey, as I never was able to target and scan the ship before my very quick death. So here's my story, and may you learn and be prepared.

I went back to Eravate, in open, in my Diamondback Explorer. I wanted to see how open play was faring these days (it still suffers from incredibly long transitions). It didn't take long before I was interdicted by a hollow triangle. Even though I was chasing the escape vector better than average, I could tell I was going to lose early on. This implies my stalker had a powerful FSDI. I submitted and yet still suffered hull damage. General Chang (not his real name) immediately opened fire. No role play, no witty "You killed my father, prepare to die!" just fire. I succumbed quickly.

Now here's the thing - my DBX was fitted for running missions. I had 5C Biweave shields, A-rated power plant and distributor, and a few hull reinforcements. All that and I melted like butter under whatever ship attacked me. I had zero cargo at the time, not that Chang bothered to scan. There was nothing to be gained from killing me - this was cold-blooded murder, plain and simple, by a cold, calculating, prepared killer.

I can't imagine all the poor "Harmless" Sidewinders I encountered earlier falling prey to this devil. Eravate is a popular hangout of new players. It's pure coincidence that I came to this system at this hour on this day. There are sharks in waters of unsuspecting innocents, they have the taste of blood in the water, and they want more!

You'll notice I'm not using the term "griefer" or "ganker" in my description (though they may be applicable). This guy didn't cheat, he killed murdered me fair and square, and the system authorities came to my rescue, just too late. I'm not even mad. I'm sitting on a heap of credits, and I had one tiny bounty which I lost during my death, so I can absorb the rebuy and not cry. I am, however, switching to MobiusPVE for now on, at least until FDev releases their "karma" system. You will either understand or not, I'm not going to make this TL;DR by defending my decision.

So be warned, there are incredibly powerful ships out there. They cannot be bargained with. They cannot be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!
 
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That's Elite dangerous. ;) But this griefer himself can't go far now because everywhere he goes the police will be after him. Having seen the troops that guard the RES in their Conda's and Vipers, he will not live long encountering 5 of these blowing away his shields and hull.
The galaxy is big, little chance encountering him once more, so just enjoy all the good moments. He'll get what he deserves sooner or later. That's also 'karma'.
 
The time of peaceful coexistence amongst PS4 gamers has come to an end. The galaxy is now indeed "dangerous" if you play in open. I was just destroyed with impunity from a ship that has might as well been General Chang's cloaked Bird Of Prey, as I never was able to target and scan the ship before my very quick death. So here's my story, and may you learn and be prepared.

I went back to Eravate, in open, in my Diamondback Explorer. I wanted to see how open play was faring these days (it still suffers from incredibly long transitions). It didn't take long before I was interdicted by a hollow triangle. Even though I was chasing the escape vector better than average, I could tell I was going to lose early on. This implies my stalker had a powerful FSDI. I submitted and yet still suffered hull damage. General Chang (not his real name) immediately opened fire. No role play, no witty "You killed my father, prepare to die!" just fire. I succumbed quickly.

Now here's the thing - my DBX was fitted for running missions. I had 5C Biweave shields, A-rated power plant and distributor, and a few hull reinforcements. All that and I melted like butter under whatever ship attacked me. I had zero cargo at the time, not that Chang bothered to scan. There was nothing to be gained from killing me - this was cold-blooded murder, plain and simple, by a cold, calculating, prepared killer.

I can't imagine all the poor "Harmless" Sidewinders I encountered earlier falling prey to this devil. Eravate is a popular hangout of new players. It's pure coincidence that I came to this system at this hour on this day. There are sharks in waters of unsuspecting innocents, they have the taste of blood in the water, and they want more!

You'll notice I'm not using the term "griefer" or "ganker" in my description (though they may be applicable). This guy didn't cheat, he killed murdered me fair and square, and the system authorities came to my rescue, just too late. I'm not even mad. I'm sitting on a heap of credits, and I had one tiny bounty which I lost during my death, so I can absorb the rebuy and not cry. I am, however, switching to MobiusPVE for now on, at least until FDev releases their "karma" system. You will either understand or not, I'm not going to make this TL;DR by defending my decision.

So be warned, there are incredibly powerful ships out there. They cannot be bargained with. They cannot be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!

You've been Pottered as in Harry Potter.
 
You will see this happening more often now in OPEN... A lot more PC players are moving to the PS4 side just because of the easy prey they can grief, seen more than a few posts on some of the other page and thier reasoning is that they want to teach the PS4 players what "real open" is.... I guess we were to social so they feel the need that they have to fix this. mind you I have no problem with Pirating/PvP in open when its aplical its part of the game and always has been, but they see us as being to care bear and they resent that. Like you I will playing on the Wolves of Jonai, ArgonautIOI, or MobiusPVE private servers for the time being until some sort of system can be put into place so that we can have a good open play experience.
 
Glad to see the PvP people making the PS4 version of Open just as fun and wonderful as the PC version! Can't wait for the ultimate cheer from them "The game is broken because no one is in Open!"
 
Ducks my friend, I'm really sorry for your loss, and I want to say:

1. Awesome attitude there! Danger of losing a ship to another CMDR is essential to Open, IMHO. Regardless of cause or motive, since it's up to the aggressor to make up any Role Play / excuse / simple lulz he/she wants. Open should be like this. Dangerous. People should be wary of roaming in Open.

2. OTOH, I don't like that you're leaving Open, but yes that's entirely for you to decide, of course. I do agree that non-justifiable aggression has to bring consequences to the aggressor. Not in order to keep people from being the Bad Guys, but actually making it dangerous to be one. Like, some kind of Server flag, not only System bounty. Maybe make him a wakable target. Make a long aggression timer to turn CLog into an outdated tactic. And make the bounty hefty for whoever persecutes him/her. Like, 10 million or more, for each CMDR killed without in-game reason (such as, being aggressed first, or PowerPlay etc).

3. I shouldn't talk about this right now. Because I'm against it. But Block function exists, and since you were instanced with said person, go to your Contacts log in the Comms menu and you can Block him, making it unlikely to be ever instanced with him again. I find it cheap, anti-Open idea, and broken: exploitable. But, it's an option. Sadly.

4. Finally, FDev needs to enforce a better NPE (new player experience). It is awesome as it is now, but the lack of protection for the Starter Systems is unforgivable. Talk about bad guys killing newbie Sidewinders, it's really sad. One suggestion is, make a 10Ly PvP non-agression bubble around Eravate and the other one I've forgotten the name.
 
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The risk is half the fun. You made a few mistakes here. One, you went to Eravate. Two, you took a Diamondback Explorer to Eravate. Three, you didn't take some mates to Eravate after the event, to exact righteous revenge.
 
Nice Star Trek VI and Terminator references, but damn that player for doing that to you.

As i said in you other thread, Loving Open Play, this is exactly the type of thing i've been avoiding open play for, 'til perhaps i have a maxed out Anaconda, Federal Corvette, or capital ship if Frontier ever lets us have them.

While the generally positive tone of that thread had me thinking of trying open play soon, this has me put off again... :_ .

As quick aside, you've one word different to the Star Trek scene and original Shakespeare quote, they say, "War", not "Destruction", but maybe that was intentional to hammer home the point that this was murder... :) .
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The risk is half the fun. You made a few mistakes here. One, you went to Eravate. Two, you took a Diamondback Explorer to Eravate. Three, you didn't take some mates to Eravate after the event, to exact righteous revenge.

Surely you are joking.. I suppose you'll tell all the new players, "You made a few mistakes - you followed your mission directive and went to Eravate, and you took the only ship available to you, a Sidewinder." If this is the attitude of you veteran players, y'all can keep open for yourselves.

4. Finally, FDev needs to enforce a better NPE (new player experience). It is awesome as it is now, but the lack of protection for the Starter Systems is unforgivable. Talk about bad guys killing newbie Sidewinders, it's really sad. One suggestion is, make a 10Ly PvP non-agression bubble around Eravate and the other one I've forgotten the name.

I just wish (and this has been beaten to death in the DD forum) that system and superpower security had some semblance of reality. If I were to murder people in cold blood in a "high security system" in real life, not only would I be wanted, I would be hunted, and by forces that outgun me 100 or more to 1. Not only that, but my assets would be frozen, neighboring states and countries would be put on alert, and the only place I would be safe is off the grid (out in deep space) or in 3rd world country (Anarchy system). These people are role-playing murders and terrorists without the risk associated with it. Baggins says the risk is half the fun - tell that to the guy slaughtering 2 hour old players.

Now I do agree with Baggins regarding using PvP to bring "balance to the Force" as it were. I'm not a PvP gamer in that I'm not going to drop what I enjoy doing (exploration and running missions) in order to grind the perfect PvP ship. There are other players who are PvP focused. You want a challenge? Join Adle's Armada (or whatever) and go protect the new players and the explorers and the peaceful traders.
 
As i said in you other thread, Loving Open Play, this is exactly the type of thing i've been avoiding open play for, 'til perhaps i have a maxed out Anaconda, Federal Corvette, or capital ship if Frontier ever lets us have them.

Careful with that ideology. I imagine it's much worse setting out in a 40mil rebuy, only to get slaughtered by a fdl, fas, or worse a vulture/viper/cobra because you have no prior pvp experience.

Personally I love open, with the exception of the constant drops from the server when dropping from cruise, and have been attacked on several occasions. Never been killed yet when I'm in a non combat ship. Just need to make sure you take proper precautions.

I never run a ship without some form of shields and chaff. My explorer is fitted with 3c bi weave which is terrible but gives me enough to get away from most targets, chaff to stop any gimbal or missiles and 2 heat sinks so I can just stay in silent running when shields go down.

All of my other ships are more or less combat ships.
 
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Didn't i say i'd be maxing out said ship and even then i wouldn't simply jump straight into the mode 'til i knew well how to fly and fight in such a ship :) .

I've seen a Youtube video of a player testing out the survivability of their friends' heavily defended Anaconda, which was equipped with those special powerplay shields and eight shield boosters and the very heavily armed attacking ship could barely or at all damage their target's shields with it sitting idle in front of them and if had my ship similarly set up, i wouldn't simply be standing still :) .
 
I don't like that you're leaving Open...

...I shouldn't talk about this right now. Because I'm against it. But Block function exists, and since you were instanced with said person, go to your Contacts log in the Comms menu and you can Block him, making it unlikely to be ever instanced with him again. I find it cheap, anti-Open idea, and broken: exploitable. But, it's an option. Sadly.

I had forgotten about the history feature in the Comms menu. I looked at it last night out of curiosity. It actually says, "Killed you" under the fellow's name. I checked out his PSN profile, and his big trophy in ED is for earning a huge bounty - i.e. killing people he shouldn't. I also saw a few other CMDRs in that list of contacts that made me wary based on their PSN names. One was a clever play on "killing is fun" (obviously not the actually PSN ID). These are not the type of people I want to be playing with.

Since your suggestion, I have entertained the idea of taking a cheap Sidewinder to Eravate to go "fishing" for a day. I could just fly around and let these people kill me and block them one by one. It's something of a whack-a-mole game, and I don't know if it guarantees they'll be blocked from my instances (instancing seems buggy right now in general), but it would be an interesting experiment...
 
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Three, you didn't take some mates to Eravate after the event, to exact righteous revenge.

I think this is the key one here. If he is hunting on his own, grab some buddies, bust out your multi cannons and go get some revenge (make sure you know how to record videos, because I suspect he will combat log as soon as he is faced with some opposition that doesn't result in easy murder for him).
 
I think this is the key one here. If he is hunting on his own, grab some buddies, bust out your multi cannons and go get some revenge (make sure you know how to record videos, because I suspect he will combat log as soon as he is faced with some opposition that doesn't result in easy murder for him).

That's kinda like telling grandma to grab a few friends from the Bingo hall to exact revenge on the street thug that beat her up. There's nothing in my fleet that would match what this guy had. I'm a slow player - I don't have a Python or Anaconda at my disposal. Now if I could talk Nemo into upgrading his Internet and playing in open, I'd call him in, since he owns such a fleet and hired Chuck Norris as his co-pilot, LOL.

BTW, I'm pretty sure Frontier has rules about groups targeting individuals. In other words, I could get banned if I actually shared the guy's PSN ID if I read those rules correctly...
 
Surely you are joking.. I suppose you'll tell all the new players, "You made a few mistakes - you followed your mission directive and went to Eravate, and you took the only ship available to you, a Sidewinder." If this is the attitude of you veteran players, y'all can keep open for yourselves.,
Yes, the advice from experienced players who are trying to help is always leave the starter systems as soon as you can.
 
That's Elite dangerous. ;) But this griefer himself can't go far now because everywhere he goes the police will be after him. Having seen the troops that guard the RES in their Conda's and Vipers, he will not live long encountering 5 of these blowing away his shields and hull.
The galaxy is big, little chance encountering him once more, so just enjoy all the good moments. He'll get what he deserves sooner or later. That's also 'karma'.

Wishful thinking at this stage I'm afraid ;-)
 
That's kinda like telling grandma to grab a few friends from the Bingo hall to exact revenge on the street thug that beat her up. There's nothing in my fleet that would match what this guy had. I'm a slow player - I don't have a Python or Anaconda at my disposal. Now if I could talk Nemo into upgrading his Internet and playing in open, I'd call him in, since he owns such a fleet and hired Chuck Norris as his co-pilot, LOL.

BTW, I'm pretty sure Frontier has rules about groups targeting individuals. In other words, I could get banned if I actually shared the guy's PSN ID if I read those rules correctly...

Not really. I doubt many single players could take on a 4 member wing. If this CMDR is so good why are they hanging around in starter systems picking on ships that don't stand much of a chance? Anyway I appreciate you don't think this is an option.

However if you ever do stray into open and are coming back from an exploration mission, give the Iridium Wing a call. Those guys are serious.

You can't name and shame players on here but there are plenty of other channels you can use to recruit willing 'good guys'.
 
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