[Canonn Science Report] Generation Ship Thetis investigation.

Am i?
mmmhh no, i just can't get it. There is no mystery at all in the game.
There are no secrets to discover.
It's only a pixolated fairytale.
Boring aliens everywhere.
And strange people try to find something useful in it, only begging for attention. :D
How much they do for the community = Zero.

Oh? And what is it you so generously provide to the rest of us?
 
Oh? And what is it you so generously provide to the rest of us?

Wrong approach. Don't get baited, drawn in or irritated. Hopefully it will be deleted before it has the chance to derail an interesting thread.

Ignore posts like hers and stay on topic.

The report was well written and interesting, nice job - looking forward to more.

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I don't think that's the way of doing something. If I do that I will be forcing my to "hear" something that may not be there at all :S. I honestly do not think there are any words in there.

Maybe this is how it started on the ship....

'It says words..'
'No it doesn't!'
'Yes it does!'
'No it doesn't!' *grabs knife*
 
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It could be interesting to compare the non-voice-hearing audio with the voice-hearing audio. Maybe different players get different audios?
I for myself can (just) understand the voice.

BTW, discovered also a crashed Satellite with the same ID as the one above (maybe all have the same?) below the ship on surface. There was a message "Intel pack created" but nothing more.
 
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HAIL DOCTOR!

Even I, even if very busy for RL reasons, will try to do the CG myself! For no reason in the world I will miss the Canonn Decal!

Then I hope to be back again on the Front Page administration in the very near future!

On a second note:
not related but, have you heard how creepy is the message from Thetis Generation Ship?! My god... Is someone trying to identify the source of the Signal that screwed up the Ships's population? It should be located around 15ly from Thetis location, Towards Sol System direction, if I may freely assume...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnjPIhk7c-Q

The really frightening part about that is how it resembles the beginning of the necromorphs in Dead Space. Even worse is that it might be related to a form of infrasound manipulation. Anyone want to run a spectro' on the entire sound at the end? Also check the rest of the logs for infrasound as well.

My hypothesis is that it is a form of audio hypnosis that induces a 'dreamstate' where in a subject would be susceptible to manipulation (IE. The Message itself). Exactly like a computer virus written for Humans.

While this is already a horrifying concept; It gets worse if it is indeed from alien origin. It would mean we have an extremely hostile race that knows our physiological/psychological faults incredibly well. While we know very little.

*additional information*
Using a Max Velocity of 0.04769231ly per year (assuming a beeline from Sol to Neferte 6's moon) and 2445 (Using the average human generational period of 35 years (based on pop. control), and the start point 2130 (when gen. ships first started to leave Sol) we get that the ship 'died' around 2445 accounting for the birth of 9 generations). We get a distance of 15ly minimum from Sol where this 'signal' was picked up. Assuming everyone died within a month or two.

2445 is 36 years after GalCop was founded.

*even more though*

2287 is when they picked up the transmission.

The 2280' are when the artifact on Mars was found.

*more thought*
After extensive research into Humanity's rate of expansion I can safely (and frighteningly) conclude that the signal was NOT of human origin.

*EDIT*
Use 2130 as a midpoint for start date. 2073 to 2200? or so.
 
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Am i?
mmmhh no, i just can't get it. There is no mystery at all in the game.
There are no secrets to discover.
It's only a pixolated fairytale.
Boring aliens everywhere.
And strange people try to find something useful in it, only begging for attention. :D
How much they do for the community = Zero.

Please, gentleman, let me point yout o my ignored list.

Move on.

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The really frightening part about that is how it resembles the beginning of the necromorphs in Dead Space. Even worse is that it might be related to a form of infrasound manipulation. Anyone want to run a spectro' on the entire sound at the end? Also check the rest of the logs for infrasound as well.

My hypothesis is that it is a form of audio hypnosis that induces a 'dreamstate' where in a subject would be susceptible to manipulation (IE. The Message itself). Exactly like a computer virus written for Humans.

While this is already a horrifying concept; It gets worse if it is indeed from alien origin. It would mean we have an extremely hostile race that knows our physiological/psychological faults incredibly well. While we know very little.

*additional information*
Using a Max Velocity of 0.04769231ly per year (assuming a beeline from Sol to Neferte 6's moon) and 2445 (Using the average human generational period of 35 years (based on pop. control), and the start point 2130 (when gen. ships first started to leave Sol) we get that the ship 'died' around 2445 accounting for the birth of 9 generations). We get a distance of 15ly minimum from Sol where this 'signal' was picked up. Assuming everyone died within a month or two.

2445 is 36 years after GalCop was founded.

*even more though*

2287 is when they picked up the transmission.

The 2280' are when the artifact on Mars was found.

*more thought*
After extensive research into Humanity's rate of expansion I can safely (and frighteningly) conclude that the signal was NOT of human origin.

*EDIT*
Use 2130 as a midpoint for start date. 2073 to 2200? or so.

Those are certainly plausible theories.
However, the fact that the expanion of humanity's timeline indicates you that this may be of alien origin, we cannot discard other possibilities. Maybe a ship with FTL capability rushed to reach the Thetis and deliver the signal?

In any case, I feel like we need more information. I wonder if there are any databases in game we could get it from? Pretty please, Frontier Devs?
 
Your theories all seem quite plausible. However, let me set up another one.

Those ships roam space for decades. In the case of the Thetis, I understand it was even more than 100 years. A ship crowded with People separated from the deadly void by a thin wall. This surely wasn't the first occurence some of them got mental, even if it wasn't to that scale.

In a tense athmosphere, there is not much needed for a "natural" mass psychosis if all conditions are met. Let's assume the ship had already survived several internal struggles which are unavoidable. Factions rise inside, much as you would expect it in a prison. Nothing distracts otherwise from this dull, never-ending journey.

Then suddenly, sensors record an obviously artificial (crafted) Sound coming from a planet. Fear rises from the unknown. Tinfoil theories sprout from everywhere, rumors as well. Then a (maybe unrelated) Event happens, like one can unfortunately happen in every Society: a murder. Maybe witnesses have even seen the murderer behave like crazy. Not much differently from those who went mental before, but there was this Event before, you know, that strange recording, everyone heard it through the voice-com.

Maybe the murderer had to be shot down by the security guards, so he didn't have a Chance the explain his deeds.

So the tinfoil-hats gather to admit that it was the recording that got this poor man crazy. And as everyone else heard it as well, it's a matter of time before someone else gets killed.

The clear-minded mission-leaders try to curtail the rumours in vain. People get even more suspicious of each-other as it was already almost traditionally the case.

The self-fulfilling prophecy is at reach. It doesn't take Long before someone kills someone else, aledgedly in self defence because that guy had a butter knife in his Hands and had a weird look on his face. This Event is enough confirmation for that tinfoil theory to most People, and such Events happen again and again, at an increasing rate as more People arms themselves and everyone seems to think it's better to kill preventively than to wait and see what's that guy's intent with this fork.

Eventually, only few are left. In the meantime, the theory is confirmed in the mind of everyone. No one doubts it anymore. No one thinks of a mass psychosis. Therefore People submit to their imaginary killing Impulse much faster. When the last People remain, they park the ship in the nearest available Orbit and leave a message to those who may find the ship one day. A message that in reality contains a false assumption.

The last inhabitant eventually dies of decrepitude or solitude, or a legit and understandable crazyness that makes him commit suicide.

Hundreds of years later, we find the ship and its message and start to look for a Signal that maybe was just statics from a decayed human probe sent out centuries before even the Generation ship was lauched.


Since the record doesn't seem to have much effect nowadays, I really tend towards this theory, even if it is much less... exciting.

An interesting theory there CMDR but I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one.
My theory is that it's some sort of infrasound manipulation.

Here is my main theroy that I will explan below.
As I know in the alien species known as the Garduians when it came to war they preferred the use of living Bio Weapons as WMD's, this lead me to form a theory that the Thargoids were these weapons and the Gaurdians lost control of them resulting in a war that the Thargoids won, reinforced by the fact that if you drop two of the following items: UP/UA/UL along with a Gaurdian Relic on the third pad and activate the Unknown Device with your Data Link Scanner and instead of just not activating it does but in a violent manner that destroys not only the Gaurdian Artifact but also the two other Thargoid artifacts. Maybe this signal was being developed as a weapon in an attempt to turn the tide of the war in the gaurdians favour, and unfortunately for them they were in able to perfect it as it affected not just the thargoids but themselves too. Maybe an accident happened at this research facility and the signal was activated but the small base was overrun by the rampaging thargoids and the beacon was left on and the base was buried by the passage of time and had been transmitting all those years before being picked up by the Thesis and eventually broke or the power source ran out resulting in the signal source mysteriously vanishing.
But that's just my theroy on what happened.

I myself have taken an intrest in this case and have visited the Thesis and have a recording of its audio logs.
And you have seemed to have missed the part where the communications officer mentions that the passengers affected by the signal had begun to write in an unknown language in blood on the walls of the ship.
Here's the direct quote "It's spread on the walls - people have started writing words in it but it's in a script I can't identify."
Weather this is a human language she simply didn't understand or a totally alien on remains to be seen until we have organised a team to explore the ship and see this language for themselves.
However given the nature of this signal and one only has to hear it once (I assume the communications officer turned off the speakers after accidentally hearing the signal to protect other passengers from hearing it), that it would best be left to small drones to fly quickly through the ships maze of corridors and passageways to find this currently unknown language written in blood on the walls.
I would also like to recommend extreme caution if and when this footage is taken in case the signal has been painted onto the walls in a visual form.
The last thing any of us wants is a repeat of this disaster except triggered by a visual image.
As to the final audio log I don't believe this is the signal the passengers heard but this is a recording of the final state of cognitive devolution, the victims mind having been reduced passed even a feral state and all that remains of the now "zombiefied" victim.
I have listened to this last part several times and apart from finding it extremely unsettling I am pleased to report that I am still sane and not a drooling murderous mess.
Fly Safe CMDRS o7
 
so How does the Anomalous Signal Data in LHS 2206 found a that Listening Post tie in...

more "Good News"?

and what of the last ship's log onboard the ship, the 5/5 one that looks like it reads "come to 000.0.00 000.0.00"? a spot on the equator or pole?

*ducks under a lampshade....
 
Hello ladies, gentlemen - very interesting and alarming observations these are. I wonder if we will be abel to investigate those ships interiors one day ... someone mentioned "Dead Space" ...

First off, I am not talking out of detail knowledge but I followed the Salome story on the news. However I wonder why no one has put this in relation with Salome's theory here yet? You know, the conspiracy theory, that the ships where sent out by the chiefs of human superpowers to find an exile, if some disaster should threaten the human bubble, and how the crews of this ships were intentionally killed by the very ones who sent them on theire missions, by viral infections and psychological agents - so that no evidence could be brought back to the bubble where the "save heaven" might be located, excepte of those view and selected ones who initiated the mission.

The one thing that is odd indeed is the mentioning of the source of this psychological audio-agent is believed to be from outside the ship. So if I may assume the Salome story could be true - how and when was the audio signal placed in this system? Maybe the ship just dropped the signal-beacon by itself - it might have been programmed to do this to kill the crew from the beginning.

Also the writing in strange and unknown letters is not really fitting the Salome theory - but might be rationlised as pure insane painting or a planned hypnothical-induced thing that should lead everyone who might discover the wrackage on a false track.
 
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You do realise that I'm going to have to kill you all now after reading the OP?

urge_to_kill.jpg
 
So a couple of possibilities - simple mass insanity - the finding of a message could be a delusion in itself and the last message - I can definitely hear "kill them all" could be the comms officer rather than the message itself.

1st 9th generation child strictly speaking earliest possible would be about 108 years up to 405 years from launch. Probably around about 200 years from launch so definitely before 2605 and probably around 2300-2400 - not bad for a thousand year old ship!

Generation ships were launched according to lore - when? - wikia says 22nd century so I can't see anyone getting on one after 2200. We don't know when it inserted itself into its current orbit - this may have been automated, possibly as a back up protocol. The log states they passed a planet 15ly back and that it was uninhabbited - you can take this two ways that the crew thought it was uninhabited but actually it may have already been colonised, however they clearly could receive signals so it seems unlikely that a planet could have been inhabited at the time the ship passed and them not detect any sign of human activity.

Of course the system could subsequently have been colonised after the ship passed and/or died.

It occurs to me that what was done to the Thetis is similar in a way to what was done with the mycoid virus to the thargoid ships... messing with an aliens technology in a way we understand - the thargoids should (judging by their technology) be far better than us at manipulating biological stuff.

It seems unlikely that a generation ship travelling so slowly would move other than in a straight line - why waste time going anywhere else?

If the planet had been passed shortly after i.e. alot closer to Sol than 15ly then surely they'd have mentioned this rather than saying 15ly? So I think you can discount systems within 10ly of sol and probably any closer than 15ly unless that's a corruption.

So either they just went mad or they were sent mad and whoever did it did it a long long time ago from a system probably at a system between 10 and 38ly from Sol in the direction of Nefertem.

The person, motivation and even organisation that killed off the generation ship is probably long dead too, of course the people that would have a vested interest in the generation ship not arriving would be any inhabited world on its course that it may try to "invade" when it arrived... so the answer could be further along its route - I suspect we'll never know though, although there do seem to be quite a few clues in the messages that are quite specific and don't seem to have been put there by accident (why mention 15ly if it wasn't a clue?)

Sorry a bit rambling but - insanity, thargoids or conspiracy.... sounds like elite:)!
 
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Glad someone is taking a closer look at the Gen Ships. I’m mostly interested in the one by the Sirius system and their makeshift shuttles.

I like the theory that its more than 15ly in the direction of Sol however we don’t know the speed of travel or the current population growth aboard. Would like to agree with the 35yr but it could be a case of one in one out.

In reality though, these ships were included for Horizons and I would suggest that it forms part of the surface content. Dev’s have hinted that there may be small colonies surviving without modern tech. So accepting this each planet will need to be surveyed at 5km orb cruise due to the size we’re looking for. Thats hell of a task but if you were to allocate the longitude into reasonable Chunks is would only take one or two play session to complete. Or is it a case of picking zones and spending some significant time in the SRV/ship searching for POIs.

I seriously think theres more to some of these Gen ships that needs investigation. I think the Atlas is a good one to start with.

Happy hunting cmdrs o7
 
All systems within 15 light years towards Sol are actually inhabited already

Except for RY Sextantis which is 15.98Ly from Nefertem, and currently un-inhabited.

"The signal originates from an un-inhabited planet we passed 15 light years ago"

I can't find anything bang on 15 light years away, so maybe 15.98 is fair game?

Sorry for digging this up as I know you have clearly put a lot of work into it already. I've travelled to RY Sextantis to have a look around but I don't really know what I'm doing :)
 
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Hello ladies, gentlemen - very interesting and alarming observations these are. I wonder if we will be abel to investigate those ships interiors one day ... someone mentioned "Dead Space" ...

First off, I am not talking out of detail knowledge but I followed the Salome story on the news. However I wonder why no one has put this in relation with Salome's theory here yet? You know, the conspiracy theory, that the ships where sent out by the chiefs of human superpowers to find an exile, if some disaster should threaten the human bubble, and how the crews of this ships were intentionally killed by the very ones who sent them on theire missions, by viral infections and psychological agents - so that no evidence could be brought back to the bubble where the "save heaven" might be located, excepte of those view and selected ones who initiated the mission.

The one thing that is odd indeed is the mentioning of the source of this psychological audio-agent is believed to be from outside the ship. So if I may assume the Salome story could be true - how and when was the audio signal placed in this system? Maybe the ship just dropped the signal-beacon by itself - it might have been programmed to do this to kill the crew from the beginning.

Also the writing in strange and unknown letters is not really fitting the Salome theory - but might be rationlised as pure insane painting or a planned hypnothical-induced thing that should lead everyone who might discover the wrackage on a false track.

I'm 99% certain the Thetis generation ship, and other ships like it, have nothing to do with what Salome was trying to reveal. That secret was project Dynasty, which concerned megaships (and Anacondas) sent out in the void to find/prepare planets for a mass evacuation should we lose to the returning Thargoids. This is all LONG after the generation ships were launched from Earth, which have no FTL drive, and was long before the first encounter with the Thargoids.

As for what happened to several of these generation ships - Thetis' murder inducing signal, the ship where the X chromosome suddenly disappeared and no female offspring were possible, and the ship where everyone died from an alien pathogen - I think these were all due to either left over bioweapons from the Guardians, or possible experiments by the AIs that may have survived the Guardian conflict. The Guardians were extremely advanced in genetics/biotech. Heck, I stills say the evidence points to the Thargoids being the descendants of the bioconstructs the Guardians used against each other in their final civil war; it would even explain why there are two Thargoid factions which are hostile to each other.
 
We tried to kill them all, but four months later, this one came back to life! :)

I wonder, earlier in this thread I explained that the last log, is the signal. It says "Kill them all" in a very dragged out and warped whisper. Others said they could not hear it, but to me it is clear as day.

Opinions?
 
I can definitely hear the voice in the last log.

It's a shame that some people can't hear it lol, it's not exactly loud and clear but it's there and it sounds creepy as hell.

Not everyone has perfect hearing though, same as not everyone having perfect eyesight I suppose (I have to sit closer to the TV without my contact lenses!)
 
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Wow, I´m so glad to see this thread back after several months :). I put some effort in this report and review, so it´s nice to see that it still inspires some commanders to join the tinfoil squadrons :D.

I still can´t hear the voice, sorry for that :(. Will try again tomorrow, who knows.

I didn´t realize that RY sextantis was still uninhabited. This may be a good place to search. I had lost hope to actually find something but somehow the possibility of actually finding whatever killed the Thetis is thrilling!
 
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