Ross 128 situation

William J Smith

William J Smith
Evening all

I'm now getting mightily annoyed at the war for control in Ross 128 as its now spreading out of control

I'll put my cards on the table here and because I'm a trader based around Sol ( and about 30 ly in all directions) , I also play in open
But since the takeover of Ross 128 by a ADEC backed faction, all hell has broken loose across my favourite (and profitable) trade routes, because we've now got Federation player factions who play in open stopping me every 5 mins with gun ports open and demanding to know which side I'm for, and gawd help me if I give the wrong answer (my AspX is currently parked in Anlave having its hull welded back together )
And thats another point... never seen any of these ADEC types in open,only the feds.... (please dont interdict me so much... I'm trying to make a living here)

On a political side I've always had federation sympathies, mainly because I hate the filthy slavers, but my heart has always been alliance because they wanted nothing to do with either superpower ever since the rebellion at Alioth that established the alliance, but now we have alliance faction as hell bent on conquest and domination as any slaver lordship or fed corporation causing wars and disruption all around sol. which means they are no better than the feds or slavers

So what is to be done..... perhaps knocking the heads together of those in charge and stopping the madness, because in the end, the thargoids wont care what colour your ship is

Anyway I'm off to HoT space and go hang out at Hutton orbital itself as no one wants to fly 0.22ly and then shoot me (I hope)

Bill
 

IamNickMan

IamNickMan
Likely won't be happening in the future since Expansion will avoid permit locked systems in 2.4. Try to remember that the Alliance is a group of diverse governments, ideologies and peoples. AEDC just believes and plays it.... Differently. Lol
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
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Okay there's a few things to have a look at here.

This is a Federation recruitment thread that tries to frame themselves as the victims, in what is actually a widespread and escalating action by Federation CMDRs against an Alliance minor faction.

I may be back later with details:
1) Credibility of OP.
2) Nature of Ross 128.
3) Extent of Federation retaliation.

1) Credibility of OP.
This tale of "an innocent trader caught in someone else's war" has been seen before:
William J Smith said:
And as for the alliance taking over Ross 128.... now its open season on any independent trader stupid enough to try their luck flying around Sol, and I'm getting very bored of having to talk my way past someone else's blockade/war.
Bill
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Unfortunately it is a fiction.
W.J. "Bill" Smith is actually fairly senior over at Earth Defence Fleet.
So I guess if there is any truth to this tale, you might consider that this is the version told by the mob shaking down traders and insisting that they choose a side.

2) The Nature of Ross 128.
If you've come in late and completely missed the story, the lore is under the spoiler.
TL;DR - The system under contention is Ross 128. It is the Federation Maximum Security Prison - a hard labour mine. The co-founder of the Alliance was threatened with life imprisonment there. An Alliance minor faction achieved governance of the system with the backing of the Alliance Diplomatic Corps.
From the FE2 Gazeteer:
Ross 128
Travellers do not flock to Ross 128 or to its only inhabited planet, Grant's Claim. When Maurice Grant claimed it, it was through an over ambitious desire to build an independent colony that he could rule without question. His early surveys suggested that the planet was mineral rich and promised an exciting future amassing wealth from mining. Unfortunately, he discovered that in every body of people there are always a few who ask questions, and awkward ones at that, then don't settle for a feeble answer. Whilst answering a few of these at his Citizens' Clinic he was assassinated. Grant's analyses proved to be erroneous as minerals were only to be found in small pockets here and there - the mines were soon abandoned. The remaining would-be leaders realised that it was not an easy job to govern a population driven mainly by greed and the resulting economic collapse was devastating. The Federation stepped in and `rescued' the colony on the condition that it came under their control. The populace greeted them with open arms and promptly found that their home was to become a prison colony.

The prison, nicknamed The Warren, is a vast underground complex of cells accommodating miscreants of every kind. The security is very tight and few have seen beyond the visitors' hall without being an inmate. For this reason rumours are rife, and include tales of genetic experiments, prostitution and corruption. It is true that the prisoners experience great hardship due to the manual mining at minus four degrees centigrade. It is no holiday for the warders either and there are reports of some of the narcotics intended for use in prisoner obedience programmes being diverted to the staff. Nobody outside really complains because they are glad that someone else is willing to do the job. Don't forget, if you ever have a loved one serving a sentence, you need a permit to see them.
K.D.

From the FFE journals:
GRANT'S CLAIM REACHES OVER-FLOW
M.C.S
The Prison colony on Grant's Claim (Ross 128), otherwise known as 'The Warren', has reached its maximum overflow limit following a sudden rise in the rate of personal assaults in a number of Inner Core systems. The opening of the INRA files has revealed that large numbers of previously trusted personnel were, in fact, in the pay of the INRA Internal Surveillance Units and had been spying on their contemporaries and colleagues for decades. A close reading of the files has revealed that a number of unexplained deaths in the past were the result of INRA-inspired assassinations. Consequently, many of the alleged informants have been the subject of revenge attacks, some of them fatal, by bereaved relatives and friends of those assassinated. The FSS and the Imperial Guard have drafted in extra support on some worlds and are offering round-the -clock police protection to some of the better-known informants. The Courts have been saturated and are handing down custodial sentences with an alacrity that some Existential Rights lawyers find extremely disturbing, particularly now that 'The Warren' is full and there is a suggestion that a re-introduction of capital punishment would help solve the problem. Alternative suggestions include the sale of detainees to the aliens as research specimens or the creation of new prison colonies on some of the radio-active moons previously used as nuclear decontamination units.

DukeIronHand said:
Uhh. Not time for your Orwellian video is it?
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Only if you are coming in late and need to be brought up to date:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikxvy3EinM[./video]
3) The Extent of Federation retaliation.
I don't want to go into this too much.
But the Federation CMDRs have not been able to retake Ross 128.
So instead they have set a worrying precedent and broadened the conflict. They have targeted player systems many light years from Ross 128. Their attacks have been serious and systems have been lost.

Threeofseven said:
So what's going on, a system blockade of Ross 128 or surrounding systems? I'm a member of a retake Ross 128 discord but there's not been a single message since I joined.
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DukeIronHand said:
Yes operation planning has been moved elsewhere. Someone should contact you shortly.
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As I say - this is not the indy/Fed folks who initially took up arms to retake Ross 128.
This is a serious, well resourced, well organised attack.
Their justification in lore is to punish an Alliance player group for kicking in the doors of a toxic prison.

There is more to tell.
But I will refrain for now.


The only thing I ask of readers - Particularly our comrades in the Alliance - is that they question the motives of the so-called "independent" voices raised against the AEDC.
Once again they have turned out to be from the heart of the Federation.
 
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DukeIronHand

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Threeofseven said:
What war?
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What war!?!
The War fostered upon innocent Federation civilians by some Alliance group who, apparently bored and with too much time on their hands, have decided to slaughter innocent civilians to satisfy the blood lust of their Thargoid Masters.

Hey OP. Instead of sitting on the fence just making a profit why don't you join the good fight - for the good of humanity and for your trade routes. Worry about blood not money eh? Good for your soul.
 

Apos

Apos
You can always convince the Feds to stop blockading our systems so that we go on our merry way making tobacco legal in even more systems for you to profit from.

Just helping the common trader here by giving them bigger and better commodity markets!
 
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Threeofseven

Threeofseven
DukeIronHand said:
What war!?!
The War fostered upon innocent Federation civilians by some Alliance group who, apparently bored and with too much time on their hands, have decided to slaughter innocent civilians to satisfy the blood lust of their Thargoid Masters.

Hey OP. Instead of sitting on the fence just making a profit why don't you join the good fight - for the good of humanity and for your trade routes. Worry about blood not money eh? Good for your soul.
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Really? There's a federal operation going on? I'm there!
 

XanderVekk

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William J Smith said:
Evening all

I'm now getting mightily annoyed at the war for control in Ross 128 as its now spreading out of control

I'll put my cards on the table here and because I'm a trader based around Sol ( and about 30 ly in all directions) , I also play in open
But since the takeover of Ross 128 by a ADEC backed faction, all hell has broken loose across my favourite (and profitable) trade routes, because we've now got Federation player factions who play in open stopping me every 5 mins with gun ports open and demanding to know which side I'm for, and gawd help me if I give the wrong answer (my AspX is currently parked in Anlave having its hull welded back together )
And thats another point... never seen any of these ADEC types in open,only the feds.... (please dont interdict me so much... I'm trying to make a living here)

On a political side I've always had federation sympathies, mainly because I hate the filthy slavers, but my heart has always been alliance because they wanted nothing to do with either superpower ever since the rebellion at Alioth that established the alliance, but now we have alliance faction as hell bent on conquest and domination as any slaver lordship or fed corporation causing wars and disruption all around sol. which means they are no better than the feds or slavers

So what is to be done..... perhaps knocking the heads together of those in charge and stopping the madness, because in the end, the thargoids wont care what colour your ship is

Anyway I'm off to HoT space and go hang out at Hutton orbital itself as no one wants to fly 0.22ly and then shoot me (I hope)

Bill
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Get it right at least. It's A-E-D-C. You know, D.C., as in Dis-Connect. Pretty easy to remember lately.
 
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DukeIronHand

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Threeofseven said:
Really? There's a federal operation going on? I'm there!
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C'mon aboard Cmdr. The Federation needs all her true sons and daughters to heed this clarion call for justice!
Help us drive out the AEDC invaders and their stab in the back just when humanity needs to be united.
This call is for all of humanity at this time of need.
Who doesn't want us all to be united and facing a galactic threat together?
I'll tell you. The Thargoid lackeys also known as AEDC as they operate at the behest of their masters trading human lives for their own personal gain. The timing of their treachery was hardly happenstance.
Join us! Join and fight for the freedom of your worlds!
 
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Threeofseven

Threeofseven
So what's going on, a system blockade of R 128 or surrounding systems? I'm a member of a retake Ross 128 discord but there's not been a single message since I joined.
 

_Flin_

_Flin_
Red Anders said:
People want to be able to influence the game more as long as the influence is wielded in such a way to effect the changes they want. It's all wrong when something else happens.
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Yep. Dynamic games are only fun when you win. ;-)

Nevertheless we only defend ourselves after we have been attacked by mass murderers slaughtering civilians after our diplomatic initiative.
 
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Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Red Anders said:
People want to be able to influence the game more as long as the influence is wielded in such a way to effect the changes they want. It's all wrong when something else happens.
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This is true, but there's a difference between that and taking a fed permit system unopposed just cos nobody was looking and they felt like annoying some feds (mission accomplished). Frontier have acknowledged this was not how it was supposed to work by not allowing permit systems to change hands in the future (post 2.4). If that wasn't reason enough for EDC to say 'ok, we proved our point, we're withdrawing back to the countryside where we came from', then I don't know what is. When I'm back from my nebula tour, I'm going to town in Ross 128. I support the Alliance on a galactic level (I'm really a neutral), slightly more than the Feds, but I support right over wrong, always. So right after my first exploration tour, my first foray into the BGS begins with the retaking of Ross 128. DukeIronHand, I'm not ready for recruiting yet, I'll be in touch myself. Cheers.
 
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Sitoutumaton

Sitoutumaton
What, so is the "no conquering permit systems" only valid for superpower permit locks or does this mean Phekda will be permanently locked behind an anarchic government's permission? Hah. An anarchy locking a system down...
 
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