PvP Griefers are seriously making me consider quitting

[Ian Skippy]

I find it confusing that you're quite happy to ignore the issues with the three year old mechanics of OPEN, the continued lack of any meaningful C&P, and the frankly embarrassing lack of PvP (& PvE) depth and mechanics three years into the game. And instead suggest the answer is for players to tolerate these issues, and just get gooder at being other players "content".

Issues? I'd hate to break your bubble, but no Karma or C&P system will protect poorly-armed tourists visiting sites in deep-space anarchy right when you can be sure the place will be a magnet to well-armed hostile ships. And when you approach properly, you can detect possible griefers way before they can prevent you from waking out (that Asp in the screenie is reversing at 45m/s from a shooting FDL who is less than 3KM away without targeting the Asp, there is no reason for that Asp to be in that situation in the first place!), and when you land you can dismiss your ship so the worst possible scenarios becomes you losing an SRV. Oh no! I've seen a bunch of vids from there, and typically I see griefers wipe out ships parked on the ground, and killing SRVs either driving around or having their headlights on.

There is plenty that needs fixing when it comes to (one-sided) PvP in secure systems. There is not much that needs fixing about unprepared careless tourists being killed in deep-space, hundreds of lightyears from civilization.

 

[jasonbarron]

I'm just about to turn 46. Now everyone is different and maybe the years took a harder toll on you or I have a lot to look forward to in the next 4 years, but....

I PVP in elite. I do agree about the reduction in reflexes etc, but elite isn't a twitch shooter, so you dont notice it as much as you would in something like CS:GO. And if you just want to escape attacks, at least I can get away relatively easily. (or at least everytime i've tried. maybe someone will get me sooner or later).

I play in open, not only for PVP, but while trading, going to engineers etc. I do it to add excitement and a real sense of danger. (even though you hardly ever see anyone out side of a CG or popular engineer). But thats just me, if you don't want the added excitement, no issue with playing solo. And there are times when I don't want the added excitement either and will jump to solo or PG.

I wouldn't write off open just because youre 50, you could probably do it. However if you really dont want the interaction, solo is cool as well.

Well that explains a lot. I'm approaching 46, too, and when I fought you at a CG a few weeks ago I actually thought the fight was kind of like two old guys shouting about who was on who's lawn and beating eachother over the head with their walkers (the kind with tennis balls on the feet to prevent scuffing the linoleum) for ten minutes until the batteries in their pacemakers finally gave out and the nurses came rushing in off of their smoke break to see what the fuss was all about. I think I won, but probably only because your incontinence diaper was full.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I'm just about to turn 46. Now everyone is different and maybe the years took a harder toll on you or I have a lot to look forward to in the next 4 years, but....

I PVP in elite. I do agree about the reduction in reflexes etc, but elite isn't a twitch shooter, so you dont notice it as much as you would in something like CS:GO. And if you just want to escape attacks, at least I can get away relatively easily. (or at least everytime i've tried. maybe someone will get me sooner or later).

I play in open, not only for PVP, but while trading, going to engineers etc. I do it to add excitement and a real sense of danger. (even though you hardly ever see anyone out side of a CG or popular engineer). But thats just me, if you don't want the added excitement, no issue with playing solo. And there are times when I don't want the added excitement either and will jump to solo or PG.

I wouldn't write off open just because youre 50, you could probably do it. However if you really dont want the interaction, solo is cool as well.

Spot on, +1.

 

[Ozram]

Well that explains a lot. I'm approaching 46, too, and when I fought you at a CG a few weeks ago I actually thought the fight was kind of like two old guys shouting about who was on who's lawn and beating eachother over the head with their walkers (the kind with tennis balls on the feet to prevent scuffing the linoleum) for ten minutes until the batteries in their pacemakers finally gave out and the nurses came rushing in off of their smoke break to see what the fuss was all about. I think I won, but probably only because your incontinence diaper was full.

Old man! I'm a young buck at 41. Fit as ah... ah.... well I hurt my back from sleeping on the couch the other night and may have a slightly bulging disk. Had two moles frozen off my back and one is scheduled for the knife in a couple of weeks. The weather is cold and my arthritis hurts my joints and I use a c-pap for sleep apnea. TMI for the win!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jasonbarron again.

 

[Siobhan]

I'm 49 and have the reflexes of a narcoleptic sloth.

 

[metascrawl]

Well that explains a lot. I'm approaching 46, too, and when I fought you at a CG a few weeks ago I actually thought the fight was kind of like two old guys shouting about who was on who's lawn and beating eachother over the head with their walkers (the kind with tennis balls on the feet to prevent scuffing the linoleum) for ten minutes until the batteries in their pacemakers finally gave out and the nurses came rushing in off of their smoke break to see what the fuss was all about. I think I won, but probably only because your incontinence diaper was full.

Another vividly-drawn scene from the pen of Mr. Barron. I'm out of rep for you I'm afraid.

 

[Grengarr]

This upcoming Thargoid content will really highlight why "just go to solo" isn't a great solution to the griefing problem. When the Thargoid sites were first discovered, I really wanted to experience the content with my fellow CMDRs, yet when I arrived at the first site, it was camped by multiple PvP equipped ships which were targeting and destroying everyone who tried to land at the location.

A lot of this content is simply more fun to experience with others. It's great to chat about what was found, and to chat about theories of what comes next. That experience is stolen from the majority of players when a minority of players decide to find a hot spot, whether it's a CG or a new content location, and spend hours harassing other players, forcing them out of the open environment.

I applaud Frontier for developing such an engaging story as they have with the Thargoids. I just hope that they'll work tirelessly to ensure we can experience the content with others, without having that experience ruined by a couple of individuals who have spent more time engineering than the rest of us and who want to role play movie villains in the game we all paid to play.

 

[jasonbarron]

This upcoming Thargoid content will really highlight why "just go to solo" isn't a great solution to the griefing problem.

Because the Thargoids are really going to be SDC dressed up as space insects and given the ability to instance with you in Solo?

 

[Grengarr]

Because the Thargoids are really going to be SDC dressed up as space insects and given the ability to instance with you in Solo?

Because every time a new location of interest is discovered, every griefer in the galaxy is going to move there to kill people who just want to experience the story they paid for.

 

[jasonbarron]

Because every time a new location of interest is discovered, every griefer in the galaxy is going to move there to kill people who just want to experience the story they paid for.

My explanation is better

 

[Iskariot]

In ED they don't call them griefers. They call them "pirates". But whatever you want to call them, I'm sick of their crap.

I've been a huge fan. I own all 30 ships, bought skins for a few, decals, etc. I'm at a point where I've done enough that the only reason to play now is to meet up with some people and have some fun together.

But apparently that's not allowed. The only thing that's allowed is that people get to mug me whenever they feel like it, and then make fun of me for "whining" about it because "that's what Solo is for". They are 100% allowed to ruin anything I'm doing, and I have no possible way of getting revenge except to STOP what I'm doing, blow a few million calling my PvP ship at the nearest station, wait for it to be delivered, and see if I can find them... if they're even still online.

Can't even call them out by name in the forums. That's a "witch hunt". They're just "pirating", which is "valid". Minding my own business and wanting to play with people who won't take advantage of a ship mismatch? That's not valid at all. I should run like a coward or give them my cargo or just let them blow me up. I should play in Solo. I should "know what I'm getting into". I should make people stand guard over me.

Because what I want doesn't count, only what the "pirates" want counts. (not "griefers", they're not "griefers" remember)

The new justice system will raise the amount of Cr they pay... like that will make any difference or pay me back at all for the bull...

So you know what? Screw it. I don't need this in my life.


... maybe... idk... having a real hard time walking away from a game I've poured this many hours into... and the game has so much potential...


But let's face it: I haven't actually enjoyed ED in days.

Anyway... I expect the only people who reply to this thread will be pirates who can't wait to validate the awful way they victimize people for fun so... likely won't be back to these forums... just needed to say it.

A multiplayer environment always attracts a certain type that only cares about his (they are mostly guys) own twisted selfish fun.
That is why I stopped doing multiplayer more than 20 years ago.
But ED has made me try Open and I played that for a long time and I encountered virtually no problems.
Most ED players are nice. Problem is you only need one or a few cockroaches to destroy the experience of many.

The addition of multiplayer Wings made me wary because I am a soloist and will never wing up with humans.
I had 2 or 3 encounters, but I am not bad at combat and prevailed twice. The third time my barely armed vanilla Cobra Mk4 (I just bought it and was testing it out) was destroyed by a pvp-er in a Vulture. It did not matter much as I can afford to buy a thousand Cobra's without breaking a sweat. I was annoyed and irritated by the nature of the human interaction.

When FD released engineers I realized that I would never care about engineering my ships to be able to compete with PvP oriented types. It's not how I want to experience my Elite game. I do not wish to get into an arms race with player killers.
I do engineer, but in a relaxed way. No min maxing and that kind of nonsense. I am not trying to create the ultimate combat ship and most of my ships are not engineered at all. None of my weapons have special FX for example. I don't care about that stuff enough and the gods of RNG hate me.
I then decided that from that moment on I would only play solo.
I never regretted it.

Playing ED without other humans in it is how I always wished to experience my Elite game.
My ultimate wish still is to experience ED completely off line.
Knowing that no other humans are mucking about in my game's universe would be a blessing.
Sadly, that is not possible.

 

[Smecca is BMFE]

Because the Thargoids are really going to be SDC dressed up as space insects and given the ability to instance with you in Solo?

Well, I mean, Harry IS a frontier employee. Doesn't seem too far fetched

 

[sb413197]

I personally enjoy PVP and hostile interactions with other players, both with me as the pirate/maniac and when others try to get me when I am the trader. BUT....it seems a sizeable portion of the player base simply wants friendly "o7 cmdr" interactions without any hostile PVP.

I wonder. Maybe a lot of players would be much happier with an "open PVE" mode after all where other players can't even hurt each other or something (weapons and collisions do no damage, or something like that). Kind of like a super-möbius. I personally would enjoy the game less if it were to be done because I actually like PVP but I may be in the minority here.

I may be wrong but I suspect Open wouldn't lose many players from such a mode. Solo would probably lose a lot though.

 

[Gunnet]

I personally enjoy PVP and hostile interactions with other players, both with me as the pirate/maniac and when others try to get me when I am the trader. BUT....it seems a sizeable portion of the player base simply wants friendly "o7 cmdr" interactions without any hostile PVP.

I wonder. Maybe a lot of players would be much happier with an "open PVE" mode after all where other players can't even hurt each other or something (weapons and collisions do no damage, or something like that). Kind of like a super-möbius. I personally would enjoy the game less if it were to be done because I actually like PVP but I may be in the minority here.

I may be wrong but I suspect Open wouldn't lose many players from such a mode. Solo would probably lose a lot though.

Nailed it. Most MMOs use that system (or PvP flagging in some cases) and it works very well. Having two modes lets all players enjoy the playstyle they prefer, and there are more than enough players on each side of the fence to keep both modes well populated.

It should dramatically reduce conflict in the community as well. Can only speak for myself of course, but I would have nothing against anything PvP players do once it no longer negatively affected PvE players.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

In my 3000+ hours of playing in open iv met about 20 cmdrs who where pirates a few of which died trying or i dropped cargo and they left me alone. Apart from those players i have also met eager pvpers who shoot first and collect later, I have won, lost, stolen, escaped and even seen the famous oh i started something i cant win combat log event from others.....yet here i am still playing.....you know why? because its an open world or should i say galaxy game where weapons and pvping are part of it........If you walked down a quite lane full of gold and passed some thugs would you be able to whine it away? no, adleast in ED you have an option, go to a private group.

You have apparently enough playtime to own every ship so i assume you know how to play, now just do that and stop moaning, you have an option, open hopefully will never become what you want it to be a little bubble where you get what you want....what? you dont want to die by a player? but i bet if you where killing another player you would be laughing it off just like they would.

I am guessing your owning of all ships is most likely either a lie and your salty because someone wanted a fight and you didnt have enough insurance, or you do have all that however want to play in open but not get blasted because you didn't feel like it that day, or your somebody who doesnt like pvp but refuses to play in a private group.

Alos as for the Thargoid content all those rumors of appearing more in open are false, as me and many members of the group im in have encountered them the same in solo, i only play Thargoid content mainly in solo when it first drops then push back into open after seeing what the fuss is.

All this whining, like baby's in a creche this is an online game your acting like you never played one. You cant have it just your way because what about their opinion?
I agree to cull the glitching etc but actual gameplay mechanics being whined about? grow up!

 

[DukeIronHand]

A multiplayer environment always attracts a certain type that only cares about his (they are mostly guys) own twisted selfish fun.
That is why I stopped doing multiplayer more than 20 years ago.
But ED has made me try Open and I played that for a long time and I encountered virtually no problems.
Most ED players are nice. Problem is you only need one or a few cockroaches to destroy the experience of many.

The addition of multiplayer Wings made me wary because I am a soloist and will never wing up with humans.
I had 2 or 3 encounters, but I am not bad at combat and prevailed twice. The third time my barely armed vanilla Cobra Mk4 (I just bought it and was testing it out) was destroyed by a pvp-er in a Vulture. It did not matter much as I can afford to buy a thousand Cobra's without breaking a sweat. I was annoyed and irritated by the nature of the human interaction.

When FD released engineers I realized that I would never care about engineering my ships to be able to compete with PvP oriented types. It's not how I want to experience my Elite game. I do not wish to get into an arms race with player killers.
I do engineer, but in a relaxed way. No min maxing and that kind of nonsense. I am not trying to create the ultimate combat ship and most of my ships are not engineered at all. None of my weapons have special FX for example. I don't care about that stuff enough and the gods of RNG hate me.
I then decided that from that moment on I would only play solo.
I never regretted it.

Playing ED without other humans in it is how I always wished to experience my Elite game.
My ultimate wish still is to experience ED completely off line.
Knowing that no other humans are mucking about in my game's universe would be a blessing.
Sadly, that is not possible.

Well said except I must disagree with the last paragraph.
I don't mind other Cmdr's around as long as they are playing the game. It's the peckerheads I object too. But mercifully there is Solo and PG. My last few times in Open (twice by accident) I was immediately attacked by the first hollow squares I saw for whatever reason. Got away but I don't need it to have fun in my game.

 

[sovapid]

Well that explains a lot. I'm approaching 46, too, and when I fought you at a CG a few weeks ago I actually thought the fight was kind of like two old guys shouting about who was on who's lawn and beating eachother over the head with their walkers (the kind with tennis balls on the feet to prevent scuffing the linoleum) for ten minutes until the batteries in their pacemakers finally gave out and the nurses came rushing in off of their smoke break to see what the fuss was all about. I think I won, but probably only because your incontinence diaper was full.

OMG this is gold.

And yes you won.

I also compound the issues with old age by occasionally drinking and PVPing. You caught me on a drinking night. One can only image the damage that caused my incontinence diaper.

 

[Phazon Xenomorph]

I just hope that they'll work tirelessly to ensure we can experience the content with others, without having that experience ruined by a couple of individuals who have spent more time engineering than the rest of us and who want to role play movie villains in the game we all paid to play.

You can, it's called get good at piloting and engineer your ship. I barely play as other games like Overwatch really trigger my ultra competitive nature, yet I still have a ludicrously decked out Corvette, a decent ish FDL, and plans for a Sidewinder and a Vulture engineered to hell and back, along with maybe a federal pew pew gunship and a racing courier, and an exploraconda. I'm not some godly amazing pilot or anything but I at least have enough confidence in my ships to be able to survive a sudden "gank" or "griefing" as you call it.

You can too, stop playing the victim card and have some confidence in yourself, take some time to Engineer your ships, and unlock the Engineers you need. You're gonna need them in the future probably anyways vs Thargoids (which at minimum means palins thrusters / dirty drives 5 and hes one of the harder ones to unlock). Just get out there and Shia Lebouf it, just do it. You'll find yourself having fun with the game more when you realize you've gained the ability to do whatever you want. Most "hostile" player actions are starter systems, Shinrata, CGs. And would, if doing CG's is that important to you, to one jump before the CG system hop into private or open to drop the goods off at the station be that much of a problem if you are that worried about being killed by another commander (a feature even advertised as one of the selling points of the game)?

Just try engineering man, you'll need it in the end for PvE content too so just do it already.

 

[Mercy Killing]

Just try engineering man, you'll need it in the end for PvE content too so just do it already.

Nope. If the day ever comes that I'll -need- to do content I have no desire to do in order to continue playing the game, I'll simply uninstall and not come back. Forcing a player into content they don't want to experience isn't a viable answer to any game company's problems.

 

[jasonbarron]

Nope. If the day ever comes that I'll -need- to do content I have no desire to do in order to continue playing the game, I'll simply uninstall and not come back. Forcing a player into content they don't want to experience isn't a viable answer to any game company's problems.

As of present I don't see any reason a player would be forced into engineering, seeing as how the odds of running into a CMDR with an engineered ship who also would want to steal your cookies is astronomically low. Dealing with current NPC's certainly doesn't require engineering. With that said, if the Thargoids invade, that might be a different story.