The Difference Between PvP and "Griefing"

ALGOMATIC

Banned
So essentially this boils down to you, personally, not liking the non-PvP aspects of the game.

Which is fine. It's also far, far away from being a universal truth.


Fair enough.

What PVE content are you talking about though? I have all but 3 engineers unlocked and I believe I went through the PVE content unless there is something I am missing.

I would like to see Sag A*, Colonia, Beagle point etc, but all those require me to stare at the loading screen 99% of the time and I am not ready to submit myself into that kind of "game-play".
 

Ian Phillips

Volunteer Moderator
Lets make something clear -

I posted yesterday to keep this thread civil.

I have just had to do the same again tonight.

Discussion is fine. Insults are not. No further warnings.
 
So... I didn't read every post but a lot of them.

Thank you everyone for helping me see some different perspectives on this topic. I have learned from them and can now make a good decision on how to play this game.

Someone said it perfectly - Open = PVP. I will stay in Solo/PG unless I want to die quickly and spend hours of money recovering. I just wont play in the same space, done deal. Glad we have that option.
 
And that would be why you dont see the imbalances people are talking about. You have no experience in the field. yet you have no problems voicing your opinion on the matter.

Are you new to discussion forums or something? I'm well aware that PvP in this game is, shall we say, sub-optimal. I play in Open most of the time. I'm aware that Engineers have made the barrier to PvP higher.

That doesn't alter the fact that I (and most others) have close to zero interest in PvP, Engineers or no Engineers.

A word of advice: stop assuming that your opinion is somehow The One True Way Of Things.
 
Everyone - if you want to discuss a subject fine, but do it without the name calling please.

Lets make something clear -

I posted yesterday to keep this thread civil.

I have just had to do the same again tonight.

Discussion is fine. Insults are not. No further warnings.

I just read through the last couple of pages and didn't see any name calling, unless you've deleted a bunch of posts that I didn't see.

If not, is this just the pre-justification for shutting the thread down? I hope not; it's clear that this issue and its several branches are of vital importance...too important to just hide in Off Topic or banish to the Hotel California
 
Well don't we know this argument already? Maybe there is not much PvP engagement becouse the game features for PvP are not well developed?

Look at Powerplay, look at piracy, look at instancing, look at CQC (and look at constant engineers pvp rebalancings and not really adressing combat logging) !!!!

This remembers me on the mulitcrew statement ... "we will develop it more if players play it ... " unfortunatly it's first iteration was implemented so poorly that not many players are engageing with it in the first place...

Snake bites it's own tail here.

I agree here.

While Frontier, at leisure takes its time doing ELITE, starting new work, while what once was started isn't finished, looks to be lost.
PVP is a live ongoing growing development inside the game. While PVE is static, dead until new things are done and implemented, PVP creates its self, every day, everywhere, where ever YOU are, within the game, ON THE FLY.
King in OPEN, like it or not is PVP. Call it endgame, or what not, its WAY more sophisticated, a live, than any PVE frontier can put out, which is by the way, very little at the moment.....
PVP is the stepchild of ELITE. Misused I say, if you hold it against the linear, static world of PVE. You play PVE as they make it. You can't play Commanders. PVP needs to be addressed. Needs more focus in development. More money more time.
Engineers is a good start, I say a brilliant move to keep PVP moving, unpredictable, alive. Frontier is working constantly against the META, trying to keep all options open, I see you Frontier. (Competetive players are a pain in the asp, cos meta.)*


Where or what is the majority in OPEN? And does it really matter?

I would never play open, or ELITE, when all I got is a simply boring PVE. Frontier was right to create the ALL Group. Its not finished, thats all.

















*you would ride a pink bunny casting fluffy balls if it gets you where you want to.....!
 

Ian Phillips

Volunteer Moderator
I just read through the last couple of pages and didn't see any name calling, unless you've deleted a bunch of posts that I didn't see.

If not, is this just the pre-justification for shutting the thread down? I hope not; it's clear that this issue and its several branches are of vital importance...too important to just hide in Off Topic or banish to the Hotel California

I have removed some name calling, and that is all that will be said on the matter.
 
Fair enough.

What PVE content are you talking about though? I have all but 3 engineers unlocked and I believe I went through the PVE content unless there is something I am missing.

I would like to see Sag A*, Colonia, Beagle point etc, but all those require me to stare at the loading screen 99% of the time and I am not ready to submit myself into that kind of "game-play".

No idea, sorry. I'm exploring on my PS4 account currently, and having a very nice, relaxing time. It probably helps not to think of it as a loading screen, but Exploration is very much a "you either love it or hate it" aspect of the game.

Not everyone plays in order to have a thrill-filled death or glory experience every time they get behind the stick.
 
I just read through the last couple of pages and didn't see any name calling, unless you've deleted a bunch of posts that I didn't see.

If not, is this just the pre-justification for shutting the thread down? I hope not; it's clear that this issue and its several branches are of vital importance...too important to just hide in Off Topic or banish to the Hotel California

Agreed dump threads are made. I used to make them all the time for Counter Strike Source forums ect. Its a tactic thats been around a long time. However here its because of Biased opinions and not an actual place for discussion. If it were an actual place for discussion. Fdev would have commented on it by now, and we would have seen balance issues.

But here they use it anytime Open solo and private is brought up. BECAUSE ITS THE ROOT OF ALL PROBLEMS EXISTING IN ELITE DANGEROUS.

You know it. I know it and they know it.

People are tired of living behind lies and crappy PR.

All anyone is asking for is game balance. And for some reason thats a bad thing around here.
 
Weird... All I can see is mud. Maybe my glasses are dirty. :)



I would suggest that Hotel California is the ideal place for most of the arguments that have been raised on this thread.

The Hotel California is just a mechanism to avoid openly discussing the issue(s). Clearly this is the most hotly contested issue facing both the community and Fdev. Banishing these kinds of threads just passive aggressively silences the discussion and allows Fdev to keep their head buried in the sand. It's not constructive; people want/need to talk about this stuff.
 
The Hotel California is just a mechanism to avoid openly discussing the issue(s). Clearly this is the most hotly contested issue facing both the community and Fdev. Banishing these kinds of threads just passive aggressively silences the discussion and allows Fdev to keep their head buried in the sand. It's not constructive; people want/need to talk about this stuff.

I'd be willing to bet real money that to the bulk of the player base this is a non-issue.
 
I'd be willing to bet real money that to the bulk of the player base this is a non-issue.

If by "bulk of the player base" you mean "everybody who doesn't hang out on the forums" you may be right. Clearly for everybody who does hang out with regularity on the forums it is important:)
 
Agreed dump threads are made. I used to make them all the time for Counter Strike Source forums ect. Its a tactic thats been around a long time. However here its because of Biased opinions and not an actual place for discussion. If it were an actual place for discussion. Fdev would have commented on it by now, and we would have seen balance issues.

But here they use it anytime Open solo and private is brought up. BECAUSE ITS THE ROOT OF ALL PROBLEMS EXISTING IN ELITE DANGEROUS.

You know it. I know it and they know it.

People are tired of living behind lies and crappy PR.

All anyone is asking for is game balance. And for some reason thats a bad thing around here.

Agreed.

Players have options, good choices BTW and all are unhappy. A mistake made right away on the drawing board.

OPEN was all we needed.
 
The Hotel California is just a mechanism to avoid openly discussing the issue(s).

It's a thread where you are able to openly discuss the issue(s) - assuming they come down to PvP and Open. It's regularly on page one of this forum, so I don't think it's valid to say that it's a mechanism to avoid discussing anything. And it's there for people that want to talk about this stuff (need is probably a little strong, but it's there for those that need too).
 
Agreed.

Players have options, good choices BTW and all are unhappy. A mistake made right away on the drawing board.

OPEN was all we needed.

I dont even mind Solo and Private. Just remove the ability to effect player factions from within it. They went out of the way not to be effected by other players. Then they shouldnt be able to effect others from their group either. UA bombing, Killing cops ect. They can still do it. Just no influence on OPEN players since its a PVP activity. Youre doing it to effect a player group to begin with. So its PVP activity even though youre shooting NPCS.

Leave that for the PVP activities for open players so everyone can have risk and reward for their duties.

Meanwhile the people that just enjoy PVE content can Enjoy the PVE content to their hearts desire. No one will think any less of them.

And none of those changes would effect anyone here. Unless they are purposefully going out of their way to effect others from a private group with no risk.
 
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Agreed.

Players have options, good choices BTW and all are unhappy. A mistake made right away on the drawing board.

OPEN was all we needed.

I, a noob with no PvP skills, will disagree.

I have abandoned games before with non-consensual pvp, at the drop of a hat. Solo, and group, give someone like me somewhere to go and potentially keep spending money on the game vs running me off immediately.
 
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