Modes The Open v Solo v Groups thread IV - Hotel California

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Robert Maynard

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Zambrick said:
As long as they let the players be proper criminals one day instead of what we have right now, then I am fine with rules. Without rules or laws to break, then you are not committing crimes. In this game setting all the people who are RPing crime are doing is ruining the experience.
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Existing Open would still be there.

Zambrick said:
Private groups are all well and good, but it limits your interactivity with people from all over the world.
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That's the point of them.

Zambrick said:
I am wondering if FDEV can implement a plan to allow all ships in all modes to be visible in the game to people in Open and Player Group mode. That way text, chat, and voice coms can be used by each side with each other. But the only way they can interact with each other in any other way, then the people must be in the same Player Group or in Open.
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That would infringe on the right of players to play without other players - some players play in Solo to avoid all players, some in Private Groups to avoid particular players - especially in terms of communications.

Zambrick said:
It could work as a stop gap until a real working C&P system is put in place. That way FDEV has the time to work on it instead of rushing out the Punishments before creating real gameplay around crimes.
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It's a solution seeking a problem, in my opinion - and it breaks aspects of Solo and Private Groups.
 

Hempstead

Hempstead
Zambrick said:
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I am wondering if FDEV can implement a plan to allow all ships in all modes to be visible in the game to people in Open and Player Group mode. That way text, chat, and voice coms can be used by each side with each other. But the only way they can interact with each other in any other way, then the people must be in the same Player Group or in Open.
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And privacy issue never enter your mind? Has it ever occured to you that some people might not want to be "seen" by you about where they are, or even just their online status? Say, I have a secret super lucrative trade route? Or a husband claiming to be on a business trip, but were secretly in a buddy's man cave playing ED? Or, hell, an axe gf, who also plays ED? I don't know what people's real reasons for their ingame privacy might be, but I'd give them some considerations instead of giving no thought at all.


And please do not say it's a game, what privacy.... it would show people too much of what you are.
 
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thirstyfish

thirstyfish
Zambrick said:
As long as they let the players be proper criminals one day instead of what we have right now, then I am fine with rules. Without rules or laws to break, then you are not committing crimes. In this game setting all the people who are RPing crime are doing is ruining the experience.

Private groups are all well and good, but it limits your interactivity with people from all over the world.

I am wondering if FDEV can implement a plan to allow all ships in all modes to be visible in the game to people in Open and Player Group mode. That way text, chat, and voice coms can be used by each side with each other. But the only way they can interact with each other in any other way, then the people must be in the same Player Group or in Open.

It could work as a stop gap until a real working C&P system is put in place. That way FDEV has the time to work on it instead of rushing out the Punishments before creating real gameplay around crimes.
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major privacy issues there. Possibly security ones too.
 

Sylveria

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I have yet to see any (recent) communication from FDEV explaining their intent to implement any sort of crime/punishment system in Open as it exists currently.

Until there's an official communication of some sort addressing this, any discussion of it is pure speculation and nothing else.

It's highly doubtful that FDEV is going to up and strip out Group/Solo play because of a few whiners on the forums. If they were going to do it, they would have done it loooooooong ago.

All of this "the way it was intended to be played" is more propaganda, as the way it was "intended" is exactly the way it was released to begin with (you know, with THREE modes, not one).
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Sylveria said:
I have yet to see any (recent) communication from FDEV explaining their intent to implement any sort of crime/punishment system in Open as it exists currently.

Until there's an official communication of some sort addressing this, any discussion of it is pure speculation and nothing else.

It's highly doubtful that FDEV is going to up and strip out Group/Solo play because of a few whiners on the forums. If they were going to do it, they would have done it loooooooong ago.

All of this "the way it was intended to be played" is more propaganda, as the way it was "intended" is exactly the way it was released to begin with (you know, with THREE modes, not one).
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You've missed it then. Sandro started threads to discuss it, and the beginnings of the C&P improvements and Notoriety system were tested in the most recent Beta. You have to keep up.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/371231-Pilot-s-Federation-Bounty-Discussion
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/374313-PFB-Ship-Rebuy-Penalty-and-Powerplay
 
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Sylveria

Sylveria
Mohrgan said:
You've missed it then. Sandro started threads to discuss it, and the beginnings of the C&P improvements and Notoriety system were tested in the most recent Beta. You have to keep up.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/371231-Pilot-s-Federation-Bounty-Discussion
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/374313-PFB-Ship-Rebuy-Penalty-and-Powerplay
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Introduction of a simple bounty system doesn't constitute an entire C&P system.

I'm "keeping up" just fine, thanks. :)
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
@That90skid

Hey dude, i'm having a little trouble understanding your argument here, which you are using the example of UA bombing.

Ill throw some points out here:

1) UA bombing isn't that common. Ok, ollobrains and a few others like to do it, but its generally not a common tactic for BGS play. Is more of an annoyance these days since FD changed how meta alloys can counter it. As long as you see it happening you can stop it.

2) You would like to see people not being able to UA bomb from group/solo? So you can do what exactly? Shoot them? That would be bad for you! You're going to send your system into lockdown doing that and get wanted by your own faction! Scan them? Ok, they will get a fine. A fine isn't a bounty. Doesn't get the cops on you. You still can't shoot them. At best, you might get to see if some people are UA bombing you.

I see a solution to your problems though. I think that you have too much of an us and them thing going on in your head regarding to players. What your faction needs is PvEers. The BGS is worked through PvE action. If you don't want to do those PvE actions, then you need PvEers on your side.

Having PvEers in your group will also help close the rift between the PvPers and PvEers, as you talk more directly and get a better understanding of each other. You can support each other. PvEers doing PvE stuff, PvPers doing PvP stuff. And of course, those who do both, doing both.

So, in short, get recruiting PvEers to your group. STONGER TOGETHER!
 

thirstyfish

thirstyfish
Agony_Aunt said:
@That90skid

Hey dude, i'm having a little trouble understanding your argument here, which you are using the example of UA bombing.

Ill throw some points out here:

1) UA bombing isn't that common. Ok, ollobrains and a few others like to do it, but its generally not a common tactic for BGS play. Is more of an annoyance these days since FD changed how meta alloys can counter it. As long as you see it happening you can stop it.

2) You would like to see people not being able to UA bomb from group/solo? So you can do what exactly? Shoot them? That would be bad for you! You're going to send your system into lockdown doing that and get wanted by your own faction! Scan them? Ok, they will get a fine. A fine isn't a bounty. Doesn't get the cops on you. You still can't shoot them. At best, you might get to see if some people are UA bombing you.

I see a solution to your problems though. I think that you have too much of an us and them thing going on in your head regarding to players. What your faction needs is PvEers. The BGS is worked through PvE action. If you don't want to do those PvE actions, then you need PvEers on your side.

Having PvEers in your group will also help close the rift between the PvPers and PvEers, as you talk more directly and get a better understanding of each other. You can support each other. PvEers doing PvE stuff, PvPers doing PvP stuff. And of course, those who do both, doing both.

So, in short, get recruiting PvEers to your group. STONGER TOGETHER!
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All due respect, I think you replied in the wrong thread. That user is using UA bombing in the difference between PvP and griefing thread.

Don't worry, both threads are starting to blend together for me too.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
thirstyfish said:
All due respect, I think you replied in the wrong thread. That user is using UA bombing in the difference between PvP and griefing thread.

Don't worry, both threads are starting to blend together for me too.
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Ugh... and this is why its a pain when we keep getting multiple threads on the same topic.....
 

WorldsGreatestForumDad

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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Agony_Aunt said:
Ugh... and this is why its a pain when we keep getting multiple threads on the same topic.....
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Haha, well I can understand where you guys are coming from. However, I made the point cause some other dude brought up solo play.

You can do anything you want in solo and private. No real reason to risk your money attacking others when you dont have to.

UA bombing works pretty dang good. You get a large enough group. You can shut some stuff down. Ceos and Sothis is bombed yet again. A CG went down in the Beta.

its pretty dang effective and its the largest form of PVP out there. Because it not only effects Open, but people on Ps4 and xbox with their respective modes.

People were scared about the ps4 Launch remember? The starter systems were this | | to being shut down. People wanted changes then? So what happened to that?

It effects every single person playing this game no matter where they are in the world or what console they are on.

I mean the whole starter system, Where even if you jumped to another system to get a FSD to escape would have been shut down.

Now thats PVP boys. And its all done without firing a single bullet or laser. Nothing is different attacking ships and changing influence against others even though its pve. Its PVP with intent.

How bout them apples.

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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Meh, its fine. Some group shuts a station down with UAs. You bring in some meta alloys and open it up again. Its a minor annoyance is all. Might set back your BGS plans for a few days while you deal with it. Nothing more.
 

WorldsGreatestForumDad

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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Agony_Aunt said:
Meh, its fine. Some group shuts a station down with UAs. You bring in some meta alloys and open it up again. Its a minor annoyance is all. Might set back your BGS plans for a few days while you deal with it. Nothing more.
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But its still pvp. And its no different than shooting ships to effect a player owned faction.

Which was the whole reason these threads were created.

Its over. Close it up. I bid you guys adieu.

90s has left the building.
 
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