Ross 128 situation
- Thread starter William J Smith
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And it's this player based Roleplay that I love seeing from this game!
You're ignoring that fact that this is a video game and you have to work inside a framework. Permits are part of that framework and I say again, it isn't that a permit system got taken without the game having any mechanism to deal with that (though that is a problem), it's the fact that it happened unopposed. If you really want to translate this to some hypothetical situation in reality, imagine the UK taking for example, Glasgow, and the Scots not noticing until it had happened. If you don't see anything a bit immersion breaking there, then we have nothing left to discuss. The rest of your post is filled with stuff irrelevant to the situation, and the thread (since it's been established that the OP isn't really a downtrodden trader but a Federation propagandist). Please refer again to my responses to your original post, as nothing you said in the follow up invalidates any of them.
Well said. My developing plan to learn the intricacies of the BGS and get Ross 128 red again has little to do with Ross 128 itself until the last step. I think I know what to do, but I need a couple of weeks to get it all together into a plan and create my player group, and recruit some folks, etc. War might be over by then. But I doubt it.
Interesting. So your position is that systems should be safe as people can't be bothered to monitor them and that's not their fault.
Using your analogy if the Scots were all in Edinburgh and not paying attention then yes it could happen.
Let's not place any blame on the people supposed to be guarding after all, they should be able to do something else and know what they are supposed to be protecting is safe.
The best comment though is the video game one, as the Alliance worked within the framework you obviously should have no problem with what they did.
And as to immersion, safe systems that can never be attacked. Yeah well ok you obviously have a different idea of immersion than me if a game artificially stops you doing something.
It's what we have to work with, given that the Federation doesn't instantly respond to a military incursion into sensitive systems with thousands of Farragut battleships to instantly vaporize you. There is no 'Federation military' in game that stops you from murdering civilians. The game has no way to model any of that, but it would be awesome.
Instead we get a 'permit lock' that just sort of waves their hand at the problem, kind of like player multi-crew teleportation. While it's sort of immersion breaking, so is taking over the galaxy by hauling biowaste and dumping the same exploration data everyone else has sold 100 times over.
Actually, the Federation very much did bring a Farragut in when the Ross 128 takeover CZs spawned.
You just weren't there to see them.
In fact, they even spanwed a Farragut in the system you are currently attacking, but from what I've seen, your members don't even visit combat zones to notice.
And excuse me, but it's one of your people who is currently on our bounty board with over 18M of bounties from murdering civilians. It's your systems that are full of lockdowns due to the previous rulers being brought down through murder and it is our systems that have been under constant murder sprees for the past 3 weeks.
At least have the decency to man up to your actions and assume responsibility for them. Like, produce any RP you want, but can you at least keep it down on the Fox News level of "facts"?
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Still waiting for the AEDC justification for the war and back stab...after of course ranking up with the Federation to make it happen.
Backstab?
I don't remember breaking bread together.
There has been a treaty with the Feds in the past. And it wasn't broken by the Alliance side of groups. And some of them do not forget.
At risk of turning this to a PP thread:
Frankly, if you are so hell bent on the whole "justice" narrative, then you should be thanking us really. Shutting down one of the darkest, most corrupt and dehumanising establishments of the Federation must be a huge relief off your shoulders. Sure, there's always the shame of losing it, but it's better having that temporarily than pretending such practices do not exist.
A proponent of justice would never place pride above it and cover what is practically a labour camp.
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Ah! So it's RP reasons then? And (RP) Hudson and the Federation would just let this happen.
Course it was a Permit system for a (game design) reason.
But that's not an issue for AEDC who then use the gamey method of ranking to Ensign with the Federation to make it happen.
All sounds kinda...what? Certainly makes any of your reasoning all sound rather disingenuous at best.
We also got in for a game design reason.
It might change next patch, but it wasn't the case until now. We played within the limits allowed to us.
I don't see you getting annoyed about Hutton Truckers getting Sirius.
Getting the permit can also be attributed to the corruption inherent in the Federal chain of command, Federal bureaucracy and Federal "anything" in terms of RP. Certainly not Hudson, but someone else at the right office would be happy to do it, for the right price. That's the Federation for you.
After all, we are just honest Alliance pilots, with no credentials anywhere else. You should be more annoyed at the Federal navy being happy to give the permit to Imperial Kings and Princes.
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Alrighty then. Guess anyone can justify anything to themselves no matter what eh?
Well never mind. Carry on Cmdr.
Let the best team win.
Well never mind. Carry on Cmdr.
Let the best team win.
On the one hand, yes anything goes(just look at the outrageous fed claims here... thargoid allies really??... thats just me and a few others
) If you pay attention you'll notice RL is pretty much the same.
On the other hand....come on, how many times do you need to get the reason presented before you see it.
Here it is, short and simple.
Ingame RP reason: putting a end to the horrific practices going on in the prison.
Horrors wich are backed up by a official ED book and ingame lore.
RL reason: becouse it's fun.
Sure the fackt that some feds are all mad and up in arms is a nice bonus, but the real reason is the gamplay we have been having the last couple of weeks.
I'm having a blast.
Please be honest, isn't the desire to takes us down and out of Ross 128 make the game a little more fun for you?
Haven't put in a little more time in then you normally do?
Or is this little conflict interfering with your regular enjoyment of the game instead of enhancing it?
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It's neither "interfering" nor "enhancing" my play.
I don't get enough stick time now to get all wound up. I dabble in a bit of everything and have done a bit (very little bit) here. I just can't put my (Federation) heart, or all my time, into it though.
I would feel much better about the whole thing, both RP and game-wise, if it wasn't done by phoney baloney exploits - and that is what I call ranking to Ensign with the Feds to make it happen (game-wise) and that the Federation would just say "okay" (RP) and let this stand. Hence the Permit.
If it was all done in a "realistic manner" (remembering this is a space ship game obviously) then yes indeed there is great potential for fun and a battle royale. Now it's just gamey.
It reeks of artificial and forced gameplay by a group that has too much time on their hands and not enough ingenuity.
That's just my opinion of course.
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If it doesn't enhance your gameplay, then pull back. You are only burning out your members for your own grievances with the mechanics available to players.
You won't be taking it back anytime soon. If you don't enjoy doing it, then you'd be better off letting your players focus on the incoming patch where the Federation seems to have a leading role.
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I have "no members", am in charge of nothing, and therefore nothing to pull back.
But "gaming the system" should not be rewarded. The AEDC logic shown here reminds me of SDC's old justifications for their gameplay.
Let the chips fall where they may.
But "gaming the system" should not be rewarded. The AEDC logic shown here reminds me of SDC's old justifications for their gameplay.
Let the chips fall where they may.
You don't have members under you, but you have them alongside you. This applies to your officers. Or are you going to feign that you're an innocent indy trader like your black squad leader did?
Also, it hasn't been rewarded yet. FD obviously doesn't know how to handle it and tries to shove it under the rug.
So for all intents and purposes, you might not even need to care at this point. Either way, if the participants of the group you are part of aren't extracting proper enjoyment out of this, it's better for all of you to move on.
First, you operate under many misperceptions.
Second, I said I was speaking for myself. Your gamey antics take the fun out of, what could have been, great gameplay.
Third, I have no "black squad" or "black squad leader."
Fourth, I have no members "beside me." Due to a poor connection I fly Solo and don't do combat. Sure I "belong" to a group but don't participate in organized activities for the aforementioned reasons.
Fifth, I do care and would never tire of throwing your deceitful group out of all systems. As I stated previously: Your smarmy playstyle has taken the fun out of it but that does not mean I do not want to see your gamey group curbstomped just because your types should be. Exploiters should not be rewarded and your attempts to blame FD for your activities with the old "we did it because we could" is laughable.
There is more but I tire of useless banter and hope I have gotten my point across.
Time will tell.
Second, I said I was speaking for myself. Your gamey antics take the fun out of, what could have been, great gameplay.
Third, I have no "black squad" or "black squad leader."
Fourth, I have no members "beside me." Due to a poor connection I fly Solo and don't do combat. Sure I "belong" to a group but don't participate in organized activities for the aforementioned reasons.
Fifth, I do care and would never tire of throwing your deceitful group out of all systems. As I stated previously: Your smarmy playstyle has taken the fun out of it but that does not mean I do not want to see your gamey group curbstomped just because your types should be. Exploiters should not be rewarded and your attempts to blame FD for your activities with the old "we did it because we could" is laughable.
There is more but I tire of useless banter and hope I have gotten my point across.
Time will tell.
I sleep just fine thank you very much.
On the one hand, yes anything goes(just look at the outrageous fed claims here... thargoid allies really??... thats just me and a few others
If you pay attention you'll notice RL is pretty much the same.
On the other hand....come on, how many times do you need to get the reason presented before you see it.
Here it is, short and simple.
Ingame RP reason: putting a end to the horrific practices going on in the prison.
Horrors wich are backed up by a official ED book and ingame lore.
RL reason: becouse it's fun.
Sure the fackt that some feds are all mad and up in arms is a nice bonus, but the real reason is the gamplay we have been having the last couple of weeks.
I'm having a blast.
Please be honest, isn't the desire to takes us down and out of Ross 128 make the game a little more fun for you?
Haven't put in a little more time in then you normally do?
Or is this little conflict interfering with your regular enjoyment of the game instead of enhancing it?
It has been a blast. There. I said it. Are you happy?
I understand exactly why you guys started it. I get it. The devs ignore the Alliance as a matter of principle. No CG's. No Alliance navy missions asking you to smuggle some illegal bits somewhere and then assassinate someone. No cool Alliance faction ships, despite the faction having some of the highest technology in the galaxy according to the lore. No content. No real politics. No conflict. No mentions on GalNet. I know because the Alliance was my first choice flying out of Eravate, but there's just nothing there.
So you created your own content. Good on, see you in the black.
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