PvP Fuel Corgi gets got 65k LY from bubble - SDC Special

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I think i'm going to have to agree with this opinion.

And, everyone who is against what happened here, just remember, that was many hours of flight by a SDC member to pull this off. That means many hours they were not doing something else within the bubble! One CMDR's pain is to your benefit!
Or...you know. It could have not happened at all. To anyone. Because griefing could fall under the same rules as harassment, and repeated offenses get one banned from playing in Open.

Serious question. Do you actually find this to be legitimate gameplay? Do you see this as anything other than griefing?
 
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I think i'm going to have to agree with this opinion.

And, everyone who is against what happened here, just remember, that was many hours of flight by a SDC member to pull this off. That means many hours they were not doing something else within the bubble! One CMDR's pain is to your benefit!

I think it's the sentiment that people are railing against rather than the actual act, which no doubt took some dedication (to griefing). If they could have enticed a normal player out there to be slaughtered under some pretence, that would be infinitely more acceptable and more impressive. The fact that they took advantage of someone's kindness is unacceptable in my view. Kill someone that came to help you in good faith...that person took time out of their routine to do a job they don't get paid for, helping others. Takes a special type to do that to someone else in order to set a 'record', which isn't even valid cos they self destructed so technically didn't make it to a dock with the 'kill' (in order for it to be confirmed, let's say).

If someone crosses a mountain range on foot, then pretends to be stuck, calls mountain rescue and then murders the rescue team, do you let them off cos of the effort they put in? As others have said, it's just a game, so that's not 100% relevant, but it's an accurate analogy of the sentiment. This act crossed a line for many people, myself included. I know it takes all sorts, and we all have to deal with it every day in the game and reality. A spade is still a spade though, and I'll call it one.
 
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Or...you know. It could have not happened at all. To anyone. Because griefing could fall under the same rules as harassment, and repeated offenses get one banned from playing in Open.

Serious question. Do you actually find this to be legitimate gameplay? Do you see this as anything other than griefing?

Not really. It's not harassment.

1. There's a block feature, likely the refueling commander coming to the call / aid at Beagle point probably put his attacker on his ignore list, as well as told the others what happened to have him blacklisted, the video is also proof of the PvP gank so that group knows that commander can't be trusted and won't respond to any other attempts or requests for aid from them.

2. He got killed ONCE... it's not like they sat outside his station in an anarchy system where there is no station ships circling around the station ready to attack violators of the no-fire zone and kept repeatedly destroying him as he came out, no. He got killed ONCE.

3. It's creative someone actually put that much effort in to make a really short video, likely "for the lols". While some might not approve, and that is fine as everyone is entitled to their own opinion on an Online game, fact is what he did is allowed by the rules as set forth by Frontier.

Like it or not he did nothing wrong. It's definitely not harassment though.
 
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Or... or... It could be that they like PvP games (cause you see this kind of behavior all over any survival PvP game like ARK, PUBG, etc etc) and Elite is a great blend of space and potential PvP, plus lack of a cohesive story / gameplay for so long means people are going to make their own content, and not everyone is content to be a Blind Pew and make their own RP videos and whatnot, some want more shooty action and until a game like Overload (from the creators of the Descent series) makes its emergence onto the scene with full release and multiplayer, Elite kinda is the only game to fill the space PvP void (EVE doesn't count as if you are not already exclusively invested in only THAT game, you CANNOT ever have a chance to catch up or be part of any meaningful content of that game).

When there's a lack of content players will make their own content. For the longest time a game like Minecraft had a very slow rollout of updates, especially pre-microsoft, so people formed groups like Team AVO and would grief houses / servers / players. Eventually modders made PvP mods and gamemodes for servers to have and the large majority of "griefers" vanished to go dominate those modes and get their praise and notoriety there, often on the mega servers that have entire sections dedicated to that.

It has nothing to do with how they act in real life or lack thereof, or of the aforementioned "anatomy size" that you try to point out. Fact is there's a lack of stuff to do outside of PvP or Exploration, even when 2.4 hits unless it's so soaked in Missions, content, story, and exploration regarding the Thargoids at launch, it'll be consumed in a day or two once it's discovered, some will go shoot, others will go watch, but eventually people will get bored till the next release / time-unlocking of content and resume doing the same stuff again.
 
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Or... or... It could be that they like PvP games (cause you see this kind of behavior all over any survival PvP game like ARK, PUBG, etc etc) and Elite is a great blend of space and potential PvP, plus lack of a cohesive story / gameplay for so long means people are going to make their own content, and not everyone is content to be a Blind Pew and make their own RP videos and whatnot, some want more shooty action and until a game like Overload (from the creators of the Descent series) makes its emergence onto the scene with full release and multiplayer, Elite kinda is the only game to fill the space PvP void (EVE doesn't count as if you are not already exclusively invested in only THAT game, you CANNOT ever have a chance to catch up or be part of any meaningful content of that game).

When there's a lack of content players will make their own content. For the longest time a game like Minecraft had a very slow rollout of updates, especially pre-microsoft, so people formed groups like Team AVO and would grief houses / servers / players. Eventually modders made PvP mods and gamemodes for servers to have and the large majority of "griefers" vanished to go dominate those modes and get their praise and notoriety there, often on the mega servers that have entire sections dedicated to that.

It has nothing to do with how they act in real life or lack thereof, or of the aforementioned "anatomy size" that you try to point out. Fact is there's a lack of stuff to do outside of PvP or Exploration, even when 2.4 hits unless it's so soaked in Missions, content, story, and exploration regarding the Thargoids at launch, it'll be consumed in a day or two once it's discovered, some will go shoot, others will go watch, but eventually people will get bored till the next release / time-unlocking of content and resume doing the same stuff again.

cool. it just looks shabby.
 
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Or...you know. It could have not happened at all. To anyone. Because griefing could fall under the same rules as harassment, and repeated offenses get one banned from playing in Open.

Serious question. Do you actually find this to be legitimate gameplay? Do you see this as anything other than griefing?


It's 100% legitimate.
 
Or...you know. It could have not happened at all. To anyone. Because griefing could fall under the same rules as harassment, and repeated offenses get one banned from playing in Open.

Serious question. Do you actually find this to be legitimate gameplay? Do you see this as anything other than griefing?

It might be griefing, but as its a one off act, then its not really harassment.

And while i certainly don't approve of what happened, i do applaud the effort that went into it. Having gone to BP myself, i know just how much effort it requires.

Is it legitimate gameplay? I think i have to say yes. There were no exploits, it happened in open, a trick was played, and it worked.

So, we have a situation, which is not exactly against the rules, could even be a case of "all is fair in love and war", but regardless, still was a definite case of someone doing something to deliberately try and cause someone grief.

As always, if you don't like this sort of thing, you can always play in other modes. If you do play in other modes, then you can happily ignore this sort of thing.

It is clear there is still a large part of the community who seem to accept the risk this sort of thing can happen by the very fact they play in open, even if they disapprove of it.

SDC do this sort of thing for the notoriety. They openly admit it. If people didn't give them the attention they want, they would get frustrated. Instead people get riled up.

I love how easy it is to take the forums for a walk.

Tiny bit of bait brings in a lot of squealing forumdads!

You see, they love the attention they get from doing this sort of thing.

Advice:

Stop playing in Open or be wary of tricks like this.
If you see a thread like this, don't dive in head first. Think about what the OP wants. Don't give the OP what they want.

If people didn't get all excited over threads like these, there would be an initial post, a few people saying "Yeah, wow, you guys are great" and then the thread would die.

Instead, all people are doing here is giving SDC more visibility and feeding their salt generator.
 
This makes me immensely sad, and says so much about why this community is so toxic. In NO stretch of the imagination is this legitimate PvP gameplay. This is griefing - sole purpose to make someone angry. How this is allowed in the game is beyond me - this should fall under harassment pure and simple. There are some cases where the line between legit play and griefing can be argued, but IN NO POSSIBLE WAY can this be argued to be anything but griefing. It's beyond stupid that this is still allowed in the game 3 years after release, but the fact that they can then post video proof of it on the forums, where you know full well it's only purpose to to start an argument, is just asinine.

The behavior from the OP is disgusting. The fact that it's on the forums... I can't even. "dancing dog was cute". Ugh. Disgusting all around.

Not everyone agrees with the fuel rats' (and all those who seek to emulate them) goal of shielding careless explorers from the consequences of their lack of planning. The OP is fighting the good fight by keeping a rat busy and lowering their credit balance instead of being able to help people who really need to lose their exploration data because they managed to mess up such a basic task as fuel management.
 
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Powderpanic

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Lol. A pillar of the griefing community you mean. ;) I haven't seen you support real pvp ever, just attack care bears who don't feel griefing should be in the game,which is fair enough, they are no more right than you, but let's be clear about what you support, cos it ain't real pvp. ;)

What is real PVP..

Player Vs Player

If you mean do I support exactly matched ships in a pre approved match up with rules.. Nope, you can leave that drivel in Arena/CQC

I do however support emergent content, pushing the game forward and not pandering to players with a victim mentality.

I have posted about making things harder for PVP players many times, I have talked about how Karma and the so far mentioned C&P mechanics are going to fall flat because they do not understand the people they are trying to stop, I have talked about what is needed to give the game depth and I have talked about removing game breaking mechanics which give GWEEFERs free reign..

But its good to have fans of my other work.
 
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Not everyone agrees with the fuel rats' (and all those who seek to emulate them) goal of shielding careless explorers from the consequences of their lack of planning. The OP is fighting the good fight by keeping a rat busy and lowering their credit balance instead of being able to help people who really need to lose their exploration data because they managed to mess up such a basic task as fuel management.

You don't really believe that, do you? If so I actually feel sorry for you.
 
You don't really believe that, do you? If so I actually feel sorry for you.

Considering I've been whining about lack of consequences to player actions and Frontier's great frack-up of player progression in mid-2015 for over two years now, it would be weird if I didn't believe that.
 
Considering I've been whining about lack of consequences to player actions and Frontier's great frack-up of player progression in mid-2015 for over two years now, it would be weird if I didn't believe that.

I accept that, but what I think is unfortunate in your philosophy, is your assertion that people whose nature and desire is to help others, are spoiling the game in such a way that they deserve to be treated this way.
 
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You see, they love the attention they get from doing this sort of thing.

Advice:

Stop playing in Open or be wary of tricks like this.
If you see a thread like this, don't dive in head first. Think about what the OP wants. Don't give the OP what they want.

If people didn't get all excited over threads like these, there would be an initial post, a few people saying "Yeah, wow, you guys are great" and then the thread would die.

Instead, all people are doing here is giving SDC more visibility and feeding their salt generator.

The community will never change in this regard.
 
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