When you click open you automatically give consent for PVP in any shape or form. This includes 4 vs 1 ganks, traders/exploreres murder and even seal clubbing. This is open mode according to the game rules.
PvP Griefers are seriously making me consider quitting
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When you click open you automatically give consent for PVP in any shape or form. This includes 4 vs 1 ganks, traders/exploreres murder and even seal clubbing. This is open mode according to the game rules.
I totally hear what you're saying - I think you may need to find a player group outside of the game as there is really no way to find good groups in game that I'm aware of?
What platform are you playing on? I'm guessing PC?
That pirate sounds really nice. I've heard through the grapevine that your special 48hr pass is now spent
Exactly, it gives the OPPORTUNITY for PVP but open is not designed EXCLUSIVELY for PVP and ship to ship combat.
What I could do in group mode I could do on a larger scale in open but a lot of people in open seems to think that IF you go into open you WANT combat PVP.
And while open is that according to "the rules" does not mean we can improve the situation, gameplay and make it into a more sensible world simulation where:...
- System security status makes sense
- Where Anarchy system actually feels different from high security systems in regards to PVP
- Where stations takes crime seriously and not simply ignore the WANTED status
- Where major and minor factions start to have severe issues with wanted mass murderers waltzing through their space and using their stations (with 6K per murder it's not hard to calculate what someone has done when they have 250K worth of bounties...and I do not think the majority would be pad loitering)
- Where ganking a nonwanted target (NPC or CMDR) have long-term repercussions in reputation towards factions
I have no problems with PVP in open except that if one party suffer a repercussion the other party should face equal repercussions for their actions.
Because merely pointing towards the idea that both sides risk getting blown up is a very weak argument in, say for example a Fer-De-Lance blowing up an unshielded non-wanted hauler in a high security system.
While piracy is indeed part of the game Frontier has done a poor job to add actual meaningful criminal gameplay where:...
- Anarchy systems and low security systems becomes the home for players who wants to play as scum and villany.
- Where criminals are the ones who can access black markets (how many regular joe today know where to find an illegal arms dealer or a local black market where to purchase restricted or stolen goods)
- Where lawful minor factions react badly to people with a large criminal record
- Where high security systems are actually VERY safe for nonwanted people and very dangerous for wanted people
Not to mention:
- Better tools for pirates to BE pirates and being able to disable targets without causing severe harm
- Better tools for traders to insure their purchased cargo
- Make so that all abandoned/jettisoned cargo is always considered stolen and require a black market (pirate would merely see cargo but the trader would see that it is marked as stolen and such require a black market)
- Add an elite rating for criminals that reflect access to smuggling and assassination missions
Etc...
Same could be said of exploration; has an entire rank dedicated to it, cannot manage much more content than scanning in SC and landing on a single type of body. I'd say we're lacking a lot of meaningful gameplay
That is of course provided people don't take "meaningful" to mean "writes your story". There will always be a sense of less structure in a self-professed sandbox game.
PvP is a gaming problem that's been around long before most of the PvPrs here were born. And it's always been the same argument and the same activities, albeit, in varying forms.
PvP, when consentual, leads to a more balanced experience. Proven Fact.
back before Mr. Braben was writing Elite 1, I was writing text based MUDs on Mini's and Mainframes. Even then, we have PvP. Some of it is 'alternative-me' in a networking environment, where no-one really knows who I am or where I live, so I'll just murder-death-kill as much as I like, and then the more sedate, but more challenging, consensual, hunt, be-hunted, and be killed type scenarios.
We got over this by adding a flag. You want to PvP, you flag yourself. And cannot unflag yourself for 90 days. What these players did was hunt each other across the realm with an eventual winner and obviously loser. There was idea back then of 'wings'.. It was you against the other PvP players. And, you could be killed by any of them as could the hunter. For each 'kill' points were awarded based on level discrepancy. So, a L19 killing a L5 wasn't worth the effort. And added to that, fellow player killers would gang up on people killing players more than 5 levels their junior.
What we see mostly in E.D. is the former, bully type stuff with no consequence. So we end up in the situation we are now. Go to a CG in Open, and it's guaranteed, there is some kid with a top combat ship, killing defenseless traders, because 1. He can, 2. there is no consequence 3. It makes him feel good 4. He isn't good enough to good enough to go against real targets.
Hense my reasoning, if you go into Open, then you're stepping into the badlands. There can be no excuse, because, everything you want to do in open (bar PvP) is available in Private group or solo. By stepping into open, you are saying, 'bring it on'..
Consensual PvP to me, makes perfect sense. I can understand it, I can understand the mentality of it.
Killing defenseless ships for lulz though, is to me, and it is my personal opinion, a bully issue.
Either you can make it with the big boys, or you're reduced to killing the traders.
I have been destroyed 3 times in ED all in open.
First time looking at barnacles Harry Potter decided to destroy my ship whilst I was in the SRV. I was pi***** off and didn't get it. It was my first time in open and I went back to solo for a while.
Then I got interdicted by a wing and destroyed before I could even scan who was there. Back to solo.
Lastly when I was mining. My fault not paying attention to my scanners and picking the wrong fight
My reaction. Get better Shields. Get a faster ship. Engineer the best way to absorb fire and run. Then go back to open understanding I will likely get the s*** kicked out of me if I start I fight but have a very good chance of escaping if I get jumped.
It's just a game
First time looking at barnacles Harry Potter decided to destroy my ship whilst I was in the SRV. I was pi***** off and didn't get it. It was my first time in open and I went back to solo for a while.
Then I got interdicted by a wing and destroyed before I could even scan who was there. Back to solo.
Lastly when I was mining. My fault not paying attention to my scanners and picking the wrong fight
My reaction. Get better Shields. Get a faster ship. Engineer the best way to absorb fire and run. Then go back to open understanding I will likely get the s*** kicked out of me if I start I fight but have a very good chance of escaping if I get jumped.
It's just a game
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I wouldn't call it the Badlands. I would call it the Chuck-E-Cheese to people who want real Pizza.
Considering it as somehow a higher tier just validates the antics.
As people personally encounter a problem they feel more inclined to comment upon it.
Once the comment is made people will then pass further comment in response.
If you've just got in to an accident or something you are unlikely to not discuss it with people because hey, this has happened to loads of people before so what's new to say. And people will likewise respond to that.
This does of course mean we have the same discussions going round and round continuously but hey ho..
In this case we have an unfortunate clash of play styles and objectives with game design, focus and development. To be fair unless the game can dynamically adapt to each player individual this will always be a problem and the best the devs can do is try to communicate their vision for the game more clearly and then provide some element of mitigation in design and implementation. The solo/pv/open thing helps with the specific problem here but it is unclear whether further in game changes can make much difference to levels of frustration on every side. Maybe.. I'm hopeful but I think we'll always have some problems but perhaps they can reduce the frequency and scale.
With all the rhetoric, debates, opinions, and general spittle from everyone aside, I hope you don't quit (the forums or ED).
Its not a bug, its a feature.
I have been destroyed twice by "Griefers". It didn't make me want to quit, the opposite in fact. Pick myself up, dust myself down and learn from the experience. I feel sorry for them in a strange way if that is the only satisfaction they get from gaming by ruining everybody elses fun.
How about starting a vigilante group, not a "private group" in the ED game mode sense, but a group of people you have as friends in ED. When you get griefed, message them, and they can come looking for revenge. If ED's policing mechanics/penalties are not strong enough, then start your own. Same as real life . Probably need discord or some such to set it up, complain about infiltration etc.
. Probably need discord or some such to set it up, complain about infiltration etc.
How about starting a vigilante group, not a "private group" in the ED game mode sense, but a group of people you have as friends in ED. When you get griefed, message them, and they can come looking for revenge. If ED's policing mechanics/penalties are not strong enough, then start your own. Same as real life
Not a practical solution. For starters, finding one specific player is nearly impossible, and you have to be in the same location AND be able to be instanced with them (good luck). The there is the fact that most of these players don't care about rebuys because they have billions of credits, are using a cheap ship, or both.
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The perceived level of time and difficulty, and the skill of the advanced players who would no doubt try to kill me in open are a big part of why I bought this game.
Sure I would be horribly outgunned in equipment at the start, that's a given but they've made open, solo and private seamless.
It's also a giant game.
When I read of consequences, people losing months(years?) of work because they got killed (possibly by someone with nothing to gain but amusement) or made a simple mistake, what did I think?
Sign me up!
I really don't understand why people expect otherwise.
Makes me think they don't look both ways when crossing the street.
Sure I would be horribly outgunned in equipment at the start, that's a given but they've made open, solo and private seamless.
It's also a giant game.
When I read of consequences, people losing months(years?) of work because they got killed (possibly by someone with nothing to gain but amusement) or made a simple mistake, what did I think?
Sign me up!
I really don't understand why people expect otherwise.
Makes me think they don't look both ways when crossing the street.
Ok, that would be hard, but what if you could buy that information? Sounds like something pretty cheap to implement
Mob/witch hunting/harassment. Major no-go right there. Why would FD implement something that would encourage people to violate the EULA? Causes more problems than it solves.
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