Thargoid Non-Aggression Pact!

[galahad2069]

I think we're fighting the wrong thargoids, something doesn't seem right so far.
We've never seen a thargoid actually attack anything unless provoked or if you have their stuff on board.
... it's a bit like seal clubbing

This^^^, exactly.

Huge alien flowerships can be found in signal sources, scavenging peacefully in the middle of a debris field.
(By "peacefully" I mean there is no proof whatsoever that they were who destroyed those ships, and they don't seem to be very aggressive towards your ship to start with. They scan you and that's about it, unless you come too close to them.)

However tough armour/shield and weaponry they have, they don't really seem to be capable of launching a large scale invasion against the bubble. After all, we have just been given the very first (rather primitive) anti-thargoid weaponry (those crappy missiles), and the entire Pleiades soon became a gigantic open season big game hunting area for us human CMDRs (including me, I admit .

All we need against them is a wing of two engineered ships with good engine, hull and shield figures, and a nearby station to restock (and do a little bit of repair while the wingmate keeps the thing occupied in the USS. Our ships are way faster than the flowerships and their thargon swarms, and as soon as we get some new weapons (anti-thargoid multi-cannons, for instance, which I think is already under development in the ongoing CG), we won't even need to rely on a nearby station due to the low ammo capacity.

So yeah, it is very much like seal clubbing.
I thought we were just like a bunch of cavemen slaughtering a mammoth with sticks and stones. Hell, the thing even sounds like a wounded animal before it dies.

 

[Assimilator1]

It's the sounds they make that put me off killing them! Lol (good job FD btw).

As for your 2nd point, it's early days yet!

Maybe we should start a group where we fly in & rescue any escape pods, & then just scream out of the NHSSs, no shots fired by us!

 

[Remus]

I agree that we need more proof that Thargoids are indeed hostile.

So far, as long as we let them be, they wont do squat to you.

And they don't seem to use any kind of corrosive weaponry.

Chances that this Thargoids are responsible of the federal ambush are pretty slim so far.

Perhaps there is another Thargoid tribe that is indeed hostile, this one seems so far peaceful enough, and as it has been pointed out before, it just feels awful when you kill one.

Until more proof of their intentions, my hardpoints remain holstered.

 

[Assimilator1]

I thought a cmdr had proved they were using corrosive weapons by posting a pic showing green glowing damage on his ship? (A Cutter or Clipper as I recall).

Either way I'm not shooting them yet, but I am going in, in my FDL to rescue escape pods, so they'll definitely be shooting me!

 

[Archduke]

Right now, there is no evidence to support them firing first. Hyperdiction is the same as an interdiction, and they've not just opened fire on anyone yet - there's always been a warning or action taken on our part.If someone can provide video evidence of a Thargoid blatantly opening fire on us.. I may change my stance. However.. that's not happened yet.

FD made it bvery explicitly clear that combat with Thargoids will be OPT-IN

 

[Kaltern]

FD made it bvery explicitly clear that combat with Thargoids will be OPT-IN

They did. However, they did NOT explicitly state it would be literally a case of 'player fires first'. They could easily mean to simply avoid the affected area, or to make your way to Colonia to avoid fighting. The talk of new passenger services to Colonia suggests that may be a solution for those wishing to play as normal.

 

[Quantis Trap]

[video=youtube;hraTOXjy_G0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hraTOXjy_G0[/video]

 

[Maylor Rom]

The Beluga is actually a pretty good research ship - good jump range (30ly) plenty of hardpoints and slots. I tossed out the passenger compartments and put in corrosive-resistant cargo racks too. It's a lot cheaper than an Anaconda, can fit fighter bays and SRV bay....

and the bridge sound system is so much more ... quality ... than in my Asp Explorer. The voice responses from the ship just sound that little bit better.

I used a Beluga as an exploration vessel for exactly those reasons. Cheaper to insure, more slots, SRV bay and FMU's. I went to Colonia and back without a problem. With an A Scoop, you can refuel in less than 30 sec.

Of course, someone just proved it is combat capable against slower moving targets, and can hold it's own. Well done to that CMDR.

 

[Apsley]

I am completely on board for the non-aggression pact. Seems to me that the story arc is way more interesting heading in that direction. Otherwise it's just another NPC to shoot, and that's pretty dull.

Aps.

 

[Winterwalker]

I've gone so far as to put some AX weapons in storage .. just in case

But I have taken a tissue sample from a Thargoid .. is that bad?

 

[EuleDiamant]

Watch this if you think, attacking the thargoids we seen atm is wrong...
https://youtu.be/pBDkQFNRejg

o7

 

[Assimilator1]

I've gone so far as to put some AX weapons in storage .. just in case

But I have taken a tissue sample from a Thargoid .. is that bad?

You won't be on their xmas list

 

[Drelthar]

Erm... so them capturing humans isn't agressive?

What about scanning you, finding you have people in escape pods on board, and then shooting you?

Seems pretty agressive to me.

 

[Kaltern]

So, judging by the number of threads we have saying basically the same thing - don't provoke the Thargoids - I would suggest perhaps merging them all into one thread?

 

[Louis Calvert]

https://i.imgur.com/jrD64k1.png

I have decided that, until evidence is supplied to confirm they are aggressive and an enemy, that I shall refrain from engaging Thargoid ships. I don't believe they are the enemy and I firmly believe we are still waiting to find out who the green corrosive sneezing aliens are - as THEY seem to be the aggressors. We've yet to actually witness a Thargoid destroying anything unprovoked.

Peace to our alien buggy friends.

/signed

 

[Surprised Brony]

I was non-aggresive. That has changed for reasons that are good enough for me. I will immediately cease and desist hostile actions the moment it becomes apparent they are not needed.

I still fully support this movement. Keep it up! [up]

 

[sorcer3r]

At the moment there is no alternative gameplay avaiable which can keep up with killing thargoids in wings. No scientific exploration mission, no sensors for finding thargoid tech on planets and getting more intel etc...

Fighting thargoids is fun. Maybe these are not the bad guys but it is good training until they arrive (if...).

 

[Louis Calvert]

Don't wanna burst your bubble or anything, but if i'm on a packed tube train the person next to me dosent give me a 30 second warning to move before punching me in the face until i'm dead as that would be considered unprovoked. Given this is exactly what the Thargoid did yesterday when i was 900m away i'd say unprovoked attacks are pretty rife with the Aliens .

Further more yesterday myself (and there are videos of several others) who have been hyperdicted and shot at before the ship even reboots by 3 Thargoids...sounds pretty unprovoked to me.

To use your analogy, if you stole the guy on the subways backpack, refused to give it back, and then he gave you 30 seconds warning before he started punching you, you'd probably consider him to actually be pretty laid bad and reasonable.

All the evidence points to us invading the borders of their space, we found "barnacles" and started mining them (by shooting them) and taking the resources for ourselves.

We then started finding Unknown probes and artefacts and started taking them for ourselves. We found ground bases and broke in, stealing more stuff, shooting the drones they have there doing whatever it is, stealing data, scanning everything, taking resources, etc.

We then encountered the Thargoids, and everything we've visually seen (not speculated upon) has been us shooting first. We even made special weapons as fast as we could so we can shoot them, we're even having competitions to see who can kill them fastest.

If you imagine these same situations happening in reverse, so say one of our Frontier mining outposts is being raided repeatedly by aliens who have suddenly started appearing all over the borders of our space, and actively tracking down our bases and breaking into them, stealing our probes, staling resources from us...

We'd go out gunning and shoot every single one of them we found, hell we did that even though there's little evidence of them being actively hostile. The fact that the Thargoids are pretty passive shows they are truly restrained. I've been all over the Pleiades since the Thargoid return and had dozens and dozens of encounters and never once been shot at except when I was carrying a UP or staying too close to them after being warned off. Even then I get the feeling it was more warning shots than trying to kill me.

The only questionable thing they do is take escape pods from the wrecks, but we have literally no idea what they're doing with them. They might be collecting them to return them to us, they might not even know they're humans, they might just see something "strange" and want to investigate it. We literally don't know at this stage.

If I were in charge of the governments I'd task the military with stopping people attacking Thargoids, issuing bounties on anyone that does, make it a criminal offence, at least until we know what's actually going on.

 

[Noctover]

To use your analogy, if you stole the guy on the subways backpack, refused to give it back, and then he gave you 30 seconds warning before he started punching you, you'd probably consider him to actually be pretty laid bad and reasonable.

All the evidence points to us invading the borders of their space, we found "barnacles" and started mining them (by shooting them) and taking the resources for ourselves.

We then started finding Unknown probes and artefacts and started taking them for ourselves. We found ground bases and broke in, stealing more stuff, shooting the drones they have there doing whatever it is, stealing data, scanning everything, taking resources, etc.

We then encountered the Thargoids, and everything we've visually seen (not speculated upon) has been us shooting first. We even made special weapons as fast as we could so we can shoot them, we're even having competitions to see who can kill them fastest.

If you imagine these same situations happening in reverse, so say one of our Frontier mining outposts is being raided repeatedly by aliens who have suddenly started appearing all over the borders of our space, and actively tracking down our bases and breaking into them, stealing our probes, staling resources from us...

We'd go out gunning and shoot every single one of them we found, hell we did that even though there's little evidence of them being actively hostile. The fact that the Thargoids are pretty passive shows they are truly restrained. I've been all over the Pleiades since the Thargoid return and had dozens and dozens of encounters and never once been shot at except when I was carrying a UP or staying too close to them after being warned off. Even then I get the feeling it was more warning shots than trying to kill me.

The only questionable thing they do is take escape pods from the wrecks, but we have literally no idea what they're doing with them. They might be collecting them to return them to us, they might not even know they're humans, they might just see something "strange" and want to investigate it. We literally don't know at this stage.

If I were in charge of the governments I'd task the military with stopping people attacking Thargoids, issuing bounties on anyone that does, make it a criminal offence, at least until we know what's actually going on.

2 things.

Firstly, we are not talking about stealing, we are talking about the fact they shoot you just for being too close. If im next to a guy on the subway and he says "im going to punch you to death in 5 seconds if you dont give me some space" i highly doubt that would be considered "laid back and reasonable".

Secondly, as already mentioned; myself and several others have been hyperdicted by 3 aliens, and shot at before my ship that THEY DISABLED even reboots. I dont know about the others but i had no guns and nothing in my cargo, so apparently just flying toward Merope is enough to wind them up.

Keep going with the desperate justifications guys but usually whats obvious is the case.

 

[Louis Calvert]

2 things.

Firstly, we are not talking about stealing, we are talking about the fact they shoot you just for being too close. If im next to a guy on the subway and he says "im going to punch you to death in 5 seconds if you dont give me some space" i highly doubt that would be considered "laid back and reasonable".

Secondly, as already mentioned; myself and several others have been hyperdicted by 3 aliens, and shot at before my ship that THEY DISABLED even reboots. I dont know about the others but i had no guns and nothing in my cargo, so apparently just flying toward Merope is enough to wind them up.

Keep going with the desperate justifications guys but usually whats obvious is the case.

I think you've missed the point of what I was saying. We've been stealing from them for years, invading their bases, taking their probes (which may well be Thargoid children for all we know), we've destroyed millions of their scavenger drones (all of which are completely non-hostile until you attack). It seems likely that we've invaded their space. That's where my analogy of the guy on the subway comes in.

Yours suggests a totally random unprovoked warning from a random guy. Whereas the reality is that we've been aggressive and hostile to the Thargoids for years, so them warning us to back off before attacking as a last resort is exceptionally laid back. So your analogy is flawed because it doesn't take into account the history you might have with the subway guy, hence my correction to include the precipitating event.

The aggressive hyperdictions are an anomaly it's true, however it seems likely to me that they are retaliating against some people. I've personally flown all over the Pleiades and encountered the Thargoids dozens and dozens of times and I've never had a hostile hyperdiction. It seems likely to me that it's possibly a reaction to something, like maybe the fact we're blasting them apart en mass. Or, alternatively, this fabled second faction that are more warlike.

As I said, which you ignored, I think if the roles were reversed and the Thargoids had been doing to us what we've been doing to them then our first 'live' interactions with them we wouldn't warn them to back off first, we'd go in guns blazing and try to find ways to kill them faster. Because that's exactly what we are doing, and anyone calling for a more reasonable approach to assess the situation more rationally is being shouted down pretty aggressively by the pro-kill-them-all camp.

You're right, Occam's Razor is indeed the case, and in this case the simplest explanation is that we've been invading their space and playing with their toys and they're justified in laying out some ground rules.