"Beyond" free for Horizon owners - LEP musings

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I'm not too fussed that it's free but FD really need to address the situation with LTEP owners. You can't charge £120 for something and suddenly change your mind about delivering.
If there will be no future paid expansions and they're just charging for cosmetics then LTEP should get all cosmetics free.

I class cosmetics as content, if it's in the game it's content as far as I'm concerned so LTEP should get them anyway.

If there will be future paid expansions FD need to say so and stick to it.
 
I find that it is normal that the improvements to the basic game are free. For the new features like the planetary landings with atmospheres, it will not be free, and I'm happy to have my LEP
 
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ED is already the game that provided me the best entertainment value / $ at this point (with a LEP).

In that regard, they could stop everything and I would still consider myself happy with it.

And I'm sure that atmo planets & legs will not be free.
 
they did talk about 10 years of development and let us believe every year would come a new expansion, so Horizons would end in 2016 and a new season would start in 2017, now Horizons is extended till end 2018, so if they would keep the roadmap from 2015 the break even point for LEP would have been in 2021 with 5 expansions, now the question is will there come beyond 2018 1 or more expansions.

I don't quite understand what "break even" means in terms of a game. Yes I know you are probably referring to the point at which what you paid equals the cost of the base game plus updates, but, darn it, this is just a game. I am an alpha so paid the big bucks right at the beginning - literally years ago now - so how on earth can you do any sort of meaningful calculation? My 2014 pound was worth more than the 2018 pound. But I don't have to pay anything more - ever. How about timeframe? Do you draw a line and say that after THIS point we no longer include any future costs? So when exactly does your comparison or calculation end? And what about value in general terms? I've played the game for thousands of hours and continue to play on a daily basis. For a measly 200 quid - paid 3 years ago. Holy cow! Talk about value!

And I guarantee you (OK, OK, best guess!) that atmo landings are being worked on right now, in secret, and will come as a paid update later that I won't have to pay for. Because there will be content attached - why wouldn't there be? Considering the whole atmosphere, population centres, traffic, etc. there just has to be "atmospheric" stuff (the OTHER "atmospheric" - you know, clouds, and cities, and planes and cars and stuff).

Man - how can anybody complain about bad value - beats the XXXX out of me!
 
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I'm not too fussed that it's free but FD really need to address the situation with LTEP owners.
If there will be no future paid expansions and they're just charging for cosmetics then LTEP should get all cosmetics free.

I class cosmetics as content, if it's in the game it's content as far as I'm concerned so LTEP should get them anyway.

Maybe, they sure used to be, but that boat sailed and since they've been selling them I don't agree that lifetime pass should get them all free. Either everyone does or no one does. I also seriously doubt all future content is going to be subsidized by cosmetics, at least, not unless they seriously ramp up the production of them. I'd rather pay for expansions than go down that route.
 
Let's not forget that we all have to save up for that new pile of up-to-data hardware to run the next generation of software demands on.
I still have a $5000.00 US$ machine that went obsolete 6 months after I got it.
Not powerful enough to run Horizons. (first generation Multi-Core processor).
Really bad timing on that one.

I get about 170 FPS ultra 1080p on world surfaces on my 4 and a half year old PC I built. Well, when I turn off V-sync that is. I don't even have it optimized to run games, but 64bit floating point calculations. I use it for crunching for scientific and humanitarian research, and have been listed in the top 5 host computers in the world for some projects with hundreds of thousands of volunteers.

As long as they continue to support Windows 7 or move to Linux, I think I can probably make it alright on this old PC of mine for a while yet. :)
 
I do not agree. For the major upgrades, the LEP is for the life as indicated by Frontier during the kickstarter

Yea, typically Lifetime means Lifetime of the development. I'm not sure why people are even worried, bit too cynical, even for me. If anything, this just adds to the value of Horizons and the base game, which I think is great.
 
Yea, typically Lifetime means Lifetime of the development. I'm not sure why people are even worried, bit too cynical, even for me. If anything, this just adds to the value of Horizons and the base game, which I think is great.

Yes, Frontier aren't running a charity here for Elite, you know. This is a business, and presumably a reputable one, so they will honor their commitment.



Of course :)

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I think it's the right way to go ; the yearly season model just does dwindle the player base. Still I have a bitter taste i my mouth when I think of the 165€ I cashed in for the LEP, when I could have got Horizons and be good until Q4 2018 - at the very least. When I bought LEP in August 2015, the (10y)plan was one extension per year, and even then the added-value of the LEP was a gamble : it would be covered after about three extensions/seasons. Now we know that Horizons lasts for three years... FDev should really seriously consider some perks, or partial refunds by now.

No no no.... Beyond will have paid for content, they just didnt show that today.
 
Considering I've got roughly five thousand aussie dollars invested in hardware for this game, and a total playtime that simply staggers me any time I think about, the few peso's for the LEP pales into insignificance.
Besides, I like to think that the cash injection at that time has done wonders to help bring about all the stuff that was revealed, and not revealed, today.
 
Imo, it was vital that ED offer Beyond for free to horizon owners. When players see there’s been good content, more likely to pay for content. At this stage, I don’t think it’s the right time to ask for payments, especially since there’s a lack of content, which 3304 will address.

elite v1 players can upgrade to horizons when they see value for money.

LEP is for long term: I fully expect space legs and planetary atmospheric landings to be paid for.
 
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Imo, it was vital that ED offer Beyond for free to horizon owners. When players see there’s been good content, more likely to pay for content. At this stage, I don’t think it’s the right time to ask for payments, especially since there’s a lack of content, which 3304 will address.

elite v1 players can upgrade to horizons when they see value for money.

LEP is for long term: I fully expect space legs and planetary atmospheric landings to be paid for.

Yes, you are right
 
I think they probably realized the overall value of Horizon was abysmal so they felt it was a good PR move to provide said future content for free and get more players to pitch in and buy Horizon. Let's be honest, the engineer update was a major fiasco.
 
they did talk about 10 years of development and let us believe every year would come a new expansion, so Horizons would end in 2016 and a new season would start in 2017, now Horizons is extended till end 2018, so if they would keep the roadmap from 2015 the break even point for LEP would have been in 2021 with 5 expansions, now the question is will there come beyond 2018 1 or more expansions.

Where exactly did they say that? Or is it just what you wanted to believe?
 
I think they probably realized the overall value of Horizon was abysmal so they felt it was a good PR move to provide said future content for free and get more players to pitch in and buy Horizon. Let's be honest, the engineer update was a major fiasco.

I wouldn't say 'abysmal', but I think there are still a lot of players who didn't buy Horizons yet. We also don't know if there will be any additional (paid) features in 2018 that aren't announced yet.
 

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Honest question: do you feel you didnt/wont get enough for the money, or are you upset other people get it for less?

I'm a Lifer too and I think his point is valid - as it was laid out originally in the KS, the LEP looked to be the best way to go pricewise if extensions had been on a yearly basis, even if priced at £20 a time. IF (big if) you actually stuck around for the whole dev process until FDev pulled the plug - you'd have prolly saved about 50% on the retail price if you bought the LEP at the £100 pricepoint. This is usually how the business model works - I bought the LOTRO lifer too at launch - cost £100, saved ..who knows, at least that and more. I've not actually played the game for years, many years infact, but I still don't feel hard done by monetarily as I know the expansions that have come since have all been around £35 so I'm not out of pocket for the content.

As it currently looks lifers MIGHT get their monetary equivalent against retail sales after several more extensions at least - each one conceivably taking years until the next.

How much can you buy into the current content for as of TODAY? £40 and that includes a Commander Pack with a whole slew of skins I don't have as a lifer.

So I think for some who bought the LEP as a means to get better value for money, they (we) have a right to question how the expansions are going out, especially as this next section is free.

Yes I know sleutelbos, you don't like me very much but please at least take my posts on merit?
 
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