"Beyond" free for Horizon owners - LEP musings

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Considering I already paid for them, I don't think it's asking too much. [hehe]

People who got Horizons are certainly getting their money's worth here with Beyond Horizons, I think. Hopefully Steam sales and reviews can reflect that accordingly now for once... I'm not holding my breath with that fickle lot though.

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More on your point though, "Beyond" seems more about fleshing out and enhancing the game than adding new features, which I'm perfectly fine with, provided Frontier of course actually intend to add new features further down, beyond Beyond Horizons, such as flying in atmospheric worlds and landing on them, space legs, and so on.

I'm really liking this target art goal for in game assets by Q4 '18. ↓


I don't think they would have shown something like that and mentioned it the way that they did if it wasn't something they're actually striving for.

Yeah that ice planet is stunning. If they can get even close to that using procedural gen and not hand crafted it will be fab. A tough goal tho
 
exactly. and don't you worry, life pass owners, didn't you hear life expectancy is increasing? and i would be surprised if frontier didn't throw you a bone at some point. they may have flopped a few times but definitely don't look like scammers to me. on the contrary, the decision to extend horizons is something to applaud (although it no doubt has some marketing strategy behind too), lep-pers just need to be patient, this is a long road. for life!

what would worry me more in the near future (a year form now) is that i'm not seeing the showcased terrain improvement running smoothly on some current consoles, or low end pcs. technically that would be an impressive feat. i'll believe it when i see it.



what black skins? if you mean black friday, they were for preordering horizons, not lep-exclusive (and afaik have never been for sale, but i could be wrong).

Re consoles (sorry I am on phone and can't edit well) that is what detail levels are for. If Xbox runs on medium/ low PS4 on medium, PS4 pro on high and Xbox 1 X on ultra. The base Xbox is weak sauce but it's better than many PCs within the horizons min spec.
 

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Just want to say I really dislike comments like this.

At the end of the day money was paid, people are perfectly free and justified in feeling entitled to something.

While it may be a none issue for you or me, if other folk feel misled by how it was implied it would pan out when Frontier were asking for £120 at LEP purchase time, well I can understand that. And as such people should be free to express that without feeling they are somehow at fault here or being likened to your children.

Presumably when Jazzy buys a car and he's promised x and gets y he can gain comfort by knowing how much fun he had driving his car / hour. You can literally do a £/hour on anything and it's still just as meaningless.

If you pay for something, you get it or you were ripped off - it's that simple.
 
Personally, looking at the share price, I assume that the markets think that FDev is good value for a takeover. I'm worried that if they get taken over all deals are off, us 2015 LEP holders can forget it. Maybe all us LEPers need to buy shares in FDev to vote against a takeover and protect our investment :p

PS - I don't want a refund either, I want my Elite hopes and dreams to be fulfilled :)

You base this information on what basis I am curious? UK stock market is a bit different that US one. Acquisitions aren't very common here. It is highly possible some institutional investor will want increase their share as there are potential for good profits. For FD to be taken over there should be solid reason why and willing David and other founders to allow that to happen.

I think people are being nervous for no good reason. Despite what certain trolls might imply ED is one of most visible products for FD. Not continuing to invest and develop it would be shortsighted at this point.
 
Seems people are a tad confused. Whoever said FD won't be getting any new money from ED? I've spent at least £50 in skins in the last couple of years, and very likely to spend another £25 each year while the game is worth playing.

There are a heap of people that have vanilla ED - they will see value in paying for an upgrade. I think FD have realised they need to put work into the core of the game, and they also realised they can still make revenue whilst doing so. I, personally, don't see a problem.

This, by the way, coming from someone that bought the lifetime expansion pass.

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I've also bought the Premium Beta (Life Time Expansion)
Agree, if FD can make a fun game from this bare bones framework I will spend money on cosmetics AND my friends will buy Horizons.

I've spent more than 400 dolars on Path of Exile which is a true free to play game because of their GREAT GREAT expansions with new fresh gameplay each one.
 

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I consider "2.4 and beyond" a bunkershot to try and save par,, and a necessary one.
Future paid-for content will depend on many of season 2 features.
Atmospheric planets, ambulation, npc multicrew, more SLF, etc, etc. None of that can be aimed at base game owners without them buying Horizons first.
Without this year of consolidation, any future investment into new "price tagged" content could prove non-viable.
If the season model had met expectations, they wouldn't have dropped it, i think that's important to keep in mind.
They are simply trying to make season 2 more attractive now for non horizon owners, in order to have a big enough user base for future content to sell to.
And i think they're doing the right thing.
My 0.02$

As such a player until FDev have something to show for S2 I won't be spending my money yet. Hzns was pretty awful from my POV - I hate RNG upgrades and having to grind for them and then how they ruined PVP. The only good thing about S2 was planets really but then they never really developed them any further - imagine if they had....

So now I have to wait until 2019/20 to see what's on offer? OK well in the meantime I'll go play something else.
 

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a space game is not inherently more complex because of being a space game. aaa publishers aren't interested because it's a niche, and they are (understandably) risk averse.

This.

Why is a "space game" complicated? It isn't - tons have been written in the passed. Flight sims are more complex then ED will ever be and they get made plenty.

So yes, whilst programming is hard for the average person, to people that do this it's not a big deal and there's a ton of games in the past to prove that.

I think the reason Space games weren't touched is that the big publishers are all about profit and clueless to what people want from games. Space games are seen as more niche, but think of the target audience now available thanks to the internet.

Then Star Citizen comes along and shows these suits in the AAA offices, just like DayZ did, just how out of touch they all are.

Both SC and ED have proven there's a market out there and because of that we see more space games being made now.
 
Don't assume that atmospheric landings, space legs etc will be sold as expansions.... they might be sold as entirely separate standalone games. If you search for the history of Frontier: Elite 2 and Frontier: First Encounters on the matter of expansion packs you might find some interesting reading.
(I know many people said the same as you, yours is just the quote that made me remember).

However David declared that Elite Dangerous is the definitive version. There will be no other titles
 
I think it's the right way to go ; the yearly season model just does dwindle the player base. Still I have a bitter taste i my mouth when I think of the 165€ I cashed in for the LEP, when I could have got Horizons and be good until Q4 2018 - at the very least. When I bought LEP in August 2015, the (10y)plan was one extension per year, and even then the added-value of the LEP was a gamble : it would be covered after about three extensions/seasons. Now we know that Horizons lasts for three years... FDev should really seriously consider some perks, or partial refunds by now.

I paid more for parking in London over the weekend than that! (No, I wasn't at Frontier Expo). Seriously, paying for an LEP in the very early stages of a software product's development is a gamble. It's not just dependent on the continuing existence of the product, it will inevitably be vulnerable to the commercial priorities of the developer. I would guess that ED and FD are in a good place, financially, and they don't need to charge for what is, after all, an extension of Horizons. However, I think they will definitely charge for later developments that cover spacelegs and atmospheric planets, so there's still plenty of opportunity for you to look back, smile smugly, and tell us all you got a great deal!
 
There was no "gamble" about the LEP(2015) it was a purchase of all future paid expansion content. Frontier changed the rules after selling the LEP when they went to a new model for releasing content. If you bought a lottery ticket and won the main prize and suddenly the rules were changed that everyone who entered got a share, you might be a bit upset.
 
- CURRENT SCENARIO - "FDev radio silence, as usual"

Why would they say anything to a thing some overly nervous people made up with no basis at all? It is obvious that the developement on the game will continue and it is pretty obvious that there will be paid expansions in the future.

If it would be otherwise, THAN they had sayed something specific. Or do you call your boss ever morning, telling him that you still work for him and are on the way?
 
As an premium beta backer I got the LEP Included, in terms of hours played I'd say Ive had my moneys worth.

In terms of immersion and content, I'd say they still owe me.

I'm hoping 2018 will resolve that last part, I'm taking an extended leave of absence from the game until Q1 when things are supposed to get better.
 
You base this information on what basis I am curious? UK stock market is a bit different that US one. Acquisitions aren't very common here. It is highly possible some institutional investor will want increase their share as there are potential for good profits. For FD to be taken over there should be solid reason why and willing David and other founders to allow that to happen.

I think people are being nervous for no good reason. Despite what certain trolls might imply ED is one of most visible products for FD. Not continuing to invest and develop it would be shortsighted at this point.
Based on pure speculation :D And stockmarkets re "tech" companies work the same regardless of where the market is. I'm more familiar with UK than USA too.
 
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Yeah that ice planet is stunning. If they can get even close to that using procedural gen and not hand crafted it will be fab. A tough goal tho

Somewhat off topic to the thread, but...

Fortunately though they're not mutually exclusive. You can have hand crafted assets that use PG for variability, distribution patterns, and so on. :)

The trick of course is getting it all to work together, look good, and make sense within the game.

We'll see, but yes, I am encouraged by the visual and where the devs seem to be aiming because of it.

Also those tires sinking/digging down into the "snow" (ice crystal debris dust?)... [up]
 
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There was no "gamble" about the LEP(2015) it was a purchase of all future paid expansion content. Frontier changed the rules after selling the LEP when they went to a new model for releasing content. If you bought a lottery ticket and won the main prize and suddenly the rules were changed that everyone who entered got a share, you might be a bit upset.

They didn't. It just happened in your imagination because you want to be disappointed or upset. There will be more paid expansions.
 
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