Frontier- You Have My Support
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If I could throw all the boys and girls at Frontier a party, I would. I would pour them drinks and shake each and every one of their hands and say Thank You. Since I was a little kid I've been obsessed with space (and video games) and I always dreamed of one day having a game where I could just fly around even just the solar system. Well, these guys came around and said "Here! Here's the whole galaxy to fly around in, plus planets to land on, and everything in between. Oh, and it'll only cost your 50 bucks or so, and we'll keep making it better as we go along..." I don't think I can ask for much more.
Well, sometimes it's hard to tell with you, if we're going to be fair here. There are a couple lines I could turn into something here but it's not worth it because I'm mostly with you on this one. Beyond needs to happen and it's free for people that bought Horizons so it doesn't feel like there's much to complain about here. If for some reason it can't be delivered, then people should probably be upset. Doesn't seem like they are offering something they can't deliver, but we'll just have to see.
While there are plenty of features that are missing or not implemented the way I'd like them to - I have spent countless happy hours playing this game.
Is that how you read it. Then we must have read completely different posts. I suggest you re-read what he actually said.
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I'm also noting his past contributions since the expo, too. Look, I'm mostly on board with him here as I too generally support the devs, but I've seen plenty of reasonable criticism getting lumped in with the unreasonable stuff. Fdev has brought a lot of this on themselves for underdelivering and poor communication skills. Better communication would solve a whole lot more of the angst then a small group of self appointed white Knights shouting down everyone who is pessimistic regarding development efforts
Beverage spilt, engaging cleaning manouvers...
I should have read the whole thread before beggining cleaning the keyboard and screen...
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Pretty much my position also. Agree. I do also agree with jason's post just above too though - Frontier at times have made a rod for their own backs in the communication stakes. The most important thing is improvement moving forward.
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You guys realize Frontier's new IP is the entire Jurassic Park Franchise? They are currently developing a Jurassic Park theme park game and needless to say it looks stunning. Not to mention "Planet Coaster" which kicks butt in its own right. Fdev have a lot of solid hits. They have a track recording of bringing in the noise and the funk. This game kicked butt when it came out, and just because so many players have maxed themselves out on it, does not mean that it won't continue to kick butt in the future. Eve Valkyrie recently had a graphics update for VR players alongside a content update that improved the game massively. Elite will see similar things happening in its future. We aren't abandoned, the developers aren't crap, and tech support, the two times I used it, resolved issues quickly.
I can't believe the levels of vitriol I've seen players expose.
I can't believe the levels of vitriol I've seen players expose.
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Why the heck support Frontier? Simples! Who else made Elite?
So folks, blaze your own tails if you must I am still happy to have this opportunity. Critic is good, since we are not there, yet, and opinions may help getting along.
Community here is spirited and friendly all things considered. Its gonna be a fun ride down the Galaxy. ( in Open of course ) :x
Fly save and Check six S!
So folks, blaze your own tails if you must
I am still happy to have this opportunity. Critic is good, since we are not there, yet, and opinions may help getting along. Community here is spirited and friendly all things considered. Its gonna be a fun ride down the Galaxy. ( in Open of course ) :x
Fly save and Check six S!
This game does have its faults, (edit: though I suspect what I consider faults others will think don't need fixing) but I still very much enjoy playing it. If I didn't, there are plenty of games out there on my "wish" list... and four games that I bought on Black Friday last year that I still haven't cracked open.
Yeah, completely agree with you Shadragon! I'm in the same boat as you.
On a funny side, perfection what trolls, toxic and damaged people demand doesn't exist. Anywhere. If you demand perfection in a game you don't know anything about (developing wise), see if you are "perfect" in your own job and your own life. Or not. Then be that kind soul and admire the work of a truly stellar team that do their best to make it work.
On a funny side, perfection what trolls, toxic and damaged people demand doesn't exist. Anywhere. If you demand perfection in a game you don't know anything about (developing wise), see if you are "perfect" in your own job and your own life. Or not. Then be that kind soul and admire the work of a truly stellar team that do their best to make it work.
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
FD have had some missteps, it's true. They're only human. Elite dangerous has issues but remains one of my favorite games of all time and that's due to the hard work of everyone at Frontier.
We are all here because we enjoy the game and want to see it improve. We won't always agree on much, but I hope we can at least agree with that.
We are all here because we enjoy the game and want to see it improve. We won't always agree on much, but I hope we can at least agree with that.
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On the one hand you say:
How about you just let people post their experiences and their opinions of the state of the game instead of calling everything that isn't praising the game for being perfect "absolute crap". Just accept the fact that A LOT of people think there are serious issues with the game as it currently is. These viewpoints are just as valid as yours is.
If you have a positive view on the game, by all means share it here. I'm sure the devs appreciate the positive vibes. But PLEASE stop trying to devalue or dismiss the criticisms of others. It accomplishes NOTHING except to start arguments. It's not productive, and is IMO the biggest factor in contributing to the toxicity on these forums.
You know what IS productive? Letting people post their feedback without getting shouted down by white knights (I hate the term, but you know what I mean). And then FDEV can get a clear picture of feedback from ALL perspectives (not just the positive ones) and makes decisions on what direction they feel like the game needs to go in. Alot of the negative feedback leads to positive changes in the game.
Look, you're sick to death of the massive mountain of negativity, I get it. But we started with a VERY bare bones game in dire need of some fleshing out - even by Frontier's own admission. And since then we have gotten questionable update after questionable update. They always say we're gonna be happy with the NEXT thing, and they are usually wrong. They introduce and reintroduce serious bugs and balancing issues over and over and OVER again. They make adjustments with a sledgehammer when they should be using a scalpel. (Seriously, no exaggeration - it seems like most of their nerfs/buffs are in the 1000% range). It's gotten to the point where when they say "The NEXT thing you guys should really be excited about - it's gonna be fantastic!", alot of us don't believe them anymore. We need to hear details - which they are understandably reluctant to give out.
It's just an all around bad situation in many ways - for us and for them. There don't seem to be any easy answers, and certainly none that are quickly implemented. But I can assure you, the answer does NOT involve belittling any negative feedback on the forums just because you are tired of reading it.
On the other you say:
How about you just let people post their experiences and their opinions of the state of the game instead of calling everything that isn't praising the game for being perfect "absolute crap". Just accept the fact that A LOT of people think there are serious issues with the game as it currently is. These viewpoints are just as valid as yours is.
If you have a positive view on the game, by all means share it here. I'm sure the devs appreciate the positive vibes. But PLEASE stop trying to devalue or dismiss the criticisms of others. It accomplishes NOTHING except to start arguments. It's not productive, and is IMO the biggest factor in contributing to the toxicity on these forums.
You know what IS productive? Letting people post their feedback without getting shouted down by white knights (I hate the term, but you know what I mean). And then FDEV can get a clear picture of feedback from ALL perspectives (not just the positive ones) and makes decisions on what direction they feel like the game needs to go in. Alot of the negative feedback leads to positive changes in the game.
Look, you're sick to death of the massive mountain of negativity, I get it. But we started with a VERY bare bones game in dire need of some fleshing out - even by Frontier's own admission. And since then we have gotten questionable update after questionable update. They always say we're gonna be happy with the NEXT thing, and they are usually wrong. They introduce and reintroduce serious bugs and balancing issues over and over and OVER again. They make adjustments with a sledgehammer when they should be using a scalpel. (Seriously, no exaggeration - it seems like most of their nerfs/buffs are in the 1000% range). It's gotten to the point where when they say "The NEXT thing you guys should really be excited about - it's gonna be fantastic!", alot of us don't believe them anymore. We need to hear details - which they are understandably reluctant to give out.
It's just an all around bad situation in many ways - for us and for them. There don't seem to be any easy answers, and certainly none that are quickly implemented. But I can assure you, the answer does NOT involve belittling any negative feedback on the forums just because you are tired of reading it.
This is the part where someone tells you that since *some* people are going to be upset no matter what Frontier says, therefore the best policy is to continue speaking in vague evasive riddles like a character from a fairy tale. Sure, this might annoy *more* people, but at least the plausible deniability field will be wide enough that you'll be able to say they're all idiots who blow everything way out of proportion.
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I've said this a few times over the years but here's my thoughts on Frontier Developments.
Frontier primarily is run by people who have a true passion for the games they make, it starts from the top with david Braben and filters all the way through the company.
I've seen how they work and how passionate they are, it's been mentioned you're more likley to see David working with the Dev team than in his office and that's a pretty accurate description.
I've been lucky to have met a lot of the people who work at Frontier not only in a professional settings but in personal settings also and I can honestly say I've never met one of them who isn't 100% enthusiastic about the company, the games and the community that has grown around them.
In my capacity as one of the moderatiion team I've seen a lot of what's happened here on the forum and yes on a few occasions it's turned quite tough as in the Offline situation where Frontier initially didn't mention offline but with the demand that grew decided to include it in the kickstarter only to find later on it wasn't feasible, Now I don't believe for one second the timing of the announcement that offline wouldn't be achievable was anything but them trying up till the last minute to give what hey promised and the frankly appalling way some reacted when the announcement was made sickened me. I can understand the frustration but the way some staff were subject to the vitriol and aggression would not be tolerated in any other business type, the fact that they took it all on the chin, issued refunds to those who asked for them says a lot about the good intentions as a company they have to their customer base.
At no point do I beleve they set out to dupe anybody.
Yeah I'm a fan of the games they make and I know I'm in a lucky position to have the levels of contact I've had over the years all the way back to when the forum started and I was searching to a sequal to First Encounters; at that time there were only a few posters who regularly posted and a lot of us are still here (they know who they are). But in all honesty I really would have not stuck around if I didn't think that they were a great bunch who are really trying hard to make the best games they possibly can.
On the flip side to above, the way the forum and community has grown firstly around ED and then other games has been incredible to watch, seeing groups like the Hutton mug lunatics, the Lave Radio nutters, the Fuel Rats and the Pixel Bandits to name just a few has been a joy to be a small part of, for those who attend the various offical and unofficial meets you can see what is for all intense purposes a huge family. Another example; Mike Brookes ran a small Drabble competition with the Writers in their forum and as part of my Mod duties I saw this and thought it would be fun if the main forum did the same, I asked and Mike said yes go for it and so I started a thread which caught the attention of some forum members and it grew and grew and took on a life of it's own with the likes of Psykokow, Smoof, Gal Midd, Alien etc etc etc... so I stepped back and let them run with it. Psykokow has been such a enormous source of creativeness and fun since he 1st joined, and he's not alone in being such a incredible influence in the community which has so many great contributers it would take all night to list them but who I consider good friends.. except MikeSnoz as he supports Ipswich (love ya really Alvi.. I mean Mike. )
I've seen great generosity by many people who have given up not only their time but their money, my daughter ran the pretty muddy race this year and some of the community got wind of it and she ended up raising £600 which we were so very very greatful for, thanks again
At the recent FX17 event most of the time was spent chatting and laughing with great people whether it Staff or Community, and everyone was made to feel very welcome by everybody.
To summarise though, yes frontier don't always get it right, but hen who does? and I know they always listen to the community and on more than one occasion have performed a u-turn on a decision, that to me speaks volumes on what kind of a company they really are when they listen and understand the passion many of us have for a little game made by two university students in the 1980s.
It's a community I'm very proud to be a small part of.
I've said this a few times over the years but here's my thoughts on Frontier Developments.
Frontier primarily is run by people who have a true passion for the games they make, it starts from the top with david Braben and filters all the way through the company.
I've seen how they work and how passionate they are, it's been mentioned you're more likley to see David working with the Dev team than in his office and that's a pretty accurate description.
I've been lucky to have met a lot of the people who work at Frontier not only in a professional settings but in personal settings also and I can honestly say I've never met one of them who isn't 100% enthusiastic about the company, the games and the community that has grown around them.
In my capacity as one of the moderatiion team I've seen a lot of what's happened here on the forum and yes on a few occasions it's turned quite tough as in the Offline situation where Frontier initially didn't mention offline but with the demand that grew decided to include it in the kickstarter only to find later on it wasn't feasible, Now I don't believe for one second the timing of the announcement that offline wouldn't be achievable was anything but them trying up till the last minute to give what hey promised and the frankly appalling way some reacted when the announcement was made sickened me. I can understand the frustration but the way some staff were subject to the vitriol and aggression would not be tolerated in any other business type, the fact that they took it all on the chin, issued refunds to those who asked for them says a lot about the good intentions as a company they have to their customer base.
At no point do I beleve they set out to dupe anybody.
Yeah I'm a fan of the games they make and I know I'm in a lucky position to have the levels of contact I've had over the years all the way back to when the forum started and I was searching to a sequal to First Encounters; at that time there were only a few posters who regularly posted and a lot of us are still here (they know who they are). But in all honesty I really would have not stuck around if I didn't think that they were a great bunch who are really trying hard to make the best games they possibly can.
On the flip side to above, the way the forum and community has grown firstly around ED and then other games has been incredible to watch, seeing groups like the Hutton mug lunatics, the Lave Radio nutters, the Fuel Rats and the Pixel Bandits to name just a few has been a joy to be a small part of, for those who attend the various offical and unofficial meets you can see what is for all intense purposes a huge family. Another example; Mike Brookes ran a small Drabble competition with the Writers in their forum and as part of my Mod duties I saw this and thought it would be fun if the main forum did the same, I asked and Mike said yes go for it and so I started a thread which caught the attention of some forum members and it grew and grew and took on a life of it's own with the likes of Psykokow, Smoof, Gal Midd, Alien etc etc etc... so I stepped back and let them run with it. Psykokow has been such a enormous source of creativeness and fun since he 1st joined, and he's not alone in being such a incredible influence in the community which has so many great contributers it would take all night to list them but who I consider good friends.. except MikeSnoz as he supports Ipswich (love ya really Alvi.. I mean Mike.
)I've seen great generosity by many people who have given up not only their time but their money, my daughter ran the pretty muddy race this year and some of the community got wind of it and she ended up raising £600 which we were so very very greatful for, thanks again
At the recent FX17 event most of the time was spent chatting and laughing with great people whether it Staff or Community, and everyone was made to feel very welcome by everybody.
To summarise though, yes frontier don't always get it right, but hen who does? and I know they always listen to the community and on more than one occasion have performed a u-turn on a decision, that to me speaks volumes on what kind of a company they really are when they listen and understand the passion many of us have for a little game made by two university students in the 1980s.
It's a community I'm very proud to be a small part of.
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