Kauruk Lockdown - Who's responsible?

[Mrat13]

Want full disclosure? Saw this thread this morning and thought "Yeah, maybe I can get some people together to try and Lockdown the current AEGIS appeal. In any vaguely sensical universe, anyone who was recovering Tissue Samples would balk at the value of those contributions the CG operators offer, compared to a hold full of coltan"

Just flew there and saw it's already lockdown pending, so, don't even need to do anything, it's done. If you're looking for a witch to burn, I'm not your witch though, there's plenty of people out there who do this sort of thing just for the lols or obscure, poorly defined reasons, like the guy in reddit.

I already tried a less disruptive approach which went nowhere.

Oh no I didn't think you were the culprit, just I thought you mentioned the next CG area was going to be locked down soon, which would mean you had intel on it. I may have just read your post wrong however, apologies.

Still, we should be able to have something we can do to make people think twice about doing this. Either tell us who did it, so we know who to look out for, or put a massive pilot federation bounty of their head, they did lock down a port afterall, surely the powers that be would see that as a massive crime. Just something that makes it feel like we aren't as powerless against this as we feel. I know we can undo it, but the person who did it still gets away with it, and in the real world I don't think they would.

But I may just be rambling.

 

[CMDR ANCALAGON]

However much I may despise the motives and actions taken by those responsie for the lockdown, I equally despise the notion that FDEV should intervene in the BSG in these scenarios or CGs in general.

PvP doesn't always equal direct combat. This is a great example of player vs player environment, and is what "community" goals should be about. A faction may solicit the community for some specific support, but ultimately the community has to particiate, and having to deal with opposining player actions adds another layer to the experience. Without such opposition, there is nothing to do but ABA trading or BH/CZ just to move the total contributions higher.

Anyone who has complained about CGs being repetative or shallow should be excited about this, and those that are doing this in protest of anything should realize that they have just solved a large part of what they are protesting. FDEV's role is to provide the environment and framework/direction for the storyline. It is up to the players to provide the bulk of the experience/content.

 

[Jmanis]

Oh no I didn't think you were the culprit, just I thought you mentioned the next CG area was going to be locked down soon, which would mean you had intel on it. I may have just read your post wrong however, apologies.

Khun Independent Governance run the outpost where the AEGIS CG is being held... sooo, next couple days it'll go down, unless one of those other states kicks in first... but even then states can clobber each other, and IIRC lockdown clobbers a bit higher than others.

 

[Dbrn47]

So start turning in those bounty vouchers. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there's still time to reverse the lockdown before the CG ends.

More pew-pew, less qq

EDIT: Ninja'ed!

It's been recently said that lockdown is a minimum of 3 days. Doing actions to counter act it can only lessen it to the minimum.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...Week-(Rares)?p=6029707&viewfull=1#post6029707

 

[NW3]

To be fair, some people love space trucking and the hauling CG's to help out the narrative in the game and have no interest in combat, you shouldn't be forced by another player to do something else you do not enjoy, just so you can continue trucking.

This is actually just as harmfull to the playerbase, but in another sense as now players who might have had it with the station lockdowns might stop playing.

Yep, that's me: Explorer and space trucker without much interest in combat. I understand it's part of the game, but one of the things I don't like about ED is that it's so easy for a few miscreants to ruin the fun of others.

 

[Jmanis]

Yep, that's me: Explorer and space trucker without much interest in combat. I understand it's part of the game, but one of the things I don't like about ED is that it's so easy for a few miscreants to ruin the fun of others.

Meanwhile, anyone with an interest in contributing Tissue Samples to the AEGIS CG just get slapped with a limp fish by design.

 

[NW3]

Meanwhile, anyone with an interest in contributing Tissue Samples to the AEGIS CG just get slapped with a limp fish by design.

I have no interest in annoying Thargoids. I have a bunch of rare goods that I'd rather not sell anywhere but the CG station.

 

[Vasious]

Want full disclosure? Saw this thread this morning and thought "Yeah, maybe I can get some people together to try and Lockdown the current AEGIS appeal. In any vaguely sensical universe, anyone who was recovering Tissue Samples would balk at the value of those contributions the CG operators offer, compared to a hold full of coltan"

Just flew there and saw it's already lockdown pending, so, don't even need to do anything, it's done. If you're looking for a witch to burn, I'm not your witch though, there's plenty of people out there who do this sort of thing just for the lols or obscure, poorly defined reasons, like the guy in reddit. I'm just some guy who happens to benefit from this.

I already tried a less disruptive approach which went nowhere.

Ah I think when you said the next Aegis CG it seemed like you meant the one after the Khun one, assuming there will be one

 

[Vasious]

The guy is using a game mechanic in exactly the way that it was intended. As it happens, I do think he comes across as a bit of a whenever I see him raving on reddit about various aspects of the game's mechanics that he doesn't like but the fact is that the lockdown mechanic doesn't exist as a result of some peculiar accident, it was specifically coded into the game by FDev.

As such, I think calling someone 'scum' for merely making use of it is reprehensible to be honest.

The game's mechanics give him the right to do it along with giving him the ability to do it, so if you want to get your wig off at someone I'd suggest directing your ire at the correct target. In this case, that wouldn't be the guy who is playing the game as intended, but the people who created the mechanic.

Probably worth pointing out that the game's mechanics also give you the ability to turn it round, so given that 'oooh we want to be able to affect the game more meaningfully' has been one of the top ten whines on here since I started playing two years ago, I'd suggest getting out there and cracking on with it. Lockdown is ultimately a result of BGS activity and FDev can't simply God-mod to abdicate the system from the BGS for the duration of a CG, nor should they be expected to.

The only thing I disagree with here, is the stated intent is to protest the Story line being delivered by CG, yet the CG being targetted is not a story line CG, but one about remembering people no longer with us.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

This kinda thing is why we can't have nice things...now with added copycats.
We're gonna end up with the dumbest game ever which makes absolutely no sense that ever been created if it continues like this.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

I'm in Kauruk now. Not having much luck finding any pirates to kill. Except for one unlucky sidewinder. Everyone's clean.

 

[Vasious]

I'm in Kauruk now. Not having much luck finding any pirates to kill. Except for one unlucky sidewinder. Everyone's clean.

Nav Beacon
Distriess Beacons and Weapons Fire Detected USSes in the Shipping Lane

Am just going Sanctioned Assassination Missions Prisoner and Rebel leader to see if any effect the lockdown

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

I just dropped into a threat 4 USS. $ vultures are a tad too much for me in my Adder. Maybe I should have brought a bigger ship.

I've considered taking passengers. They can affect the BGS.

One thing. The OP might want to check the top 5 bounties in Kauruk, they are likely to be your culprits. I won't name and shame, but I will add them to my KOS list.

 

[Goose4291]

The guy is using a game mechanic in exactly the way that it was intended. As it happens, I do think he comes across as a bit of a whenever I see him raving on reddit about various aspects of the game's mechanics that he doesn't like but the fact is that the lockdown mechanic doesn't exist as a result of some peculiar accident, it was specifically coded into the game by FDev.

As such, I think calling someone 'scum' for merely making use of it is reprehensible to be honest.

The game's mechanics give him the right to do it along with giving him the ability to do it, so if you want to get your wig off at someone I'd suggest directing your ire at the correct target. In this case, that wouldn't be the guy who is playing the game as intended, but the people who created the mechanic.

Probably worth pointing out that the game's mechanics also give you the ability to turn it round, so given that 'oooh we want to be able to affect the game more meaningfully' has been one of the top ten whines on here since I started playing two years ago, I'd suggest getting out there and cracking on with it. Lockdown is ultimately a result of BGS activity and FDev can't simply God-mod to abdicate the system from the BGS for the duration of a CG, nor should they be expected to.

Totally agree on this.

Its odd that we had this happen multiple times, and those that exhtol virtues of multiple game modes and the BGS mechanics are the first start shaking uncontrollably when someone uses the BGS the way its intended.

"We want to be able to affect the game in a more meaningful way, regardless of others, providing no one else can do it in a way thay affects us."

 

[Chainguns]

In order to "turn it around" we need to know how the fight is going, who's winning etc. The rewards are low and the time (even repair costs if interdicting) outlay high and that's hard to swallow not knowing if a) you already 'won' 3 hours ago and the lockdown is being lifted tonight or b) it would take another 1,000 CMDRs in big 3 ships a day to stand a chance. Never tried fighting sys sec so maybe the other side has a higher abundance of targets too?

 

[Sfinckter]

I like it

Being able to put the station into lockdown is good for the fact that there should be a way for people who dont like what will happen when the CG is complete to hinder its outcome. Like Bounty CGs, what if for some reason someone didnt want their home system to kill outlaws since they spent a lot of time into causing anarchy and supporting outlaws there? Imagine being forced to watch something you dont want to happen, happen.

 

[Vasious]

Turns out assassinating Rebel Leaders and Escaped prisoners reduces Civil unrest not lockdown

In any case

 

[DukeIronHand]

Why does it always seem that "emergent content makers" is synomonous with being an a-hole.

 

[_trent_]

I just dropped into a threat 4 USS. $ vultures are a tad too much for me in my Adder. Maybe I should have brought a bigger ship.

I've considered taking passengers. They can affect the BGS.

One thing. The OP might want to check the top 5 bounties in Kauruk, they are likely to be your culprits. I won't name and shame, but I will add them to my KOS list.

The current top 5 bounties are not the same ones as were on the list on the first day of the CG, so that wouldn't work.

I checked the top 5 bounties early in the CG and the highest one was under 50k, which is only 10 SA ships, and unlike the bounty list for the other CG, none of them were names I recognised (no naming and shaming from me either ). The lockdown went pending 4 hours before the CG details were announced, so unless the players involved had inside info (highly unlikely) the lockdown was just a result of random player action. There are missions now that ask players to shoot authority or civilian ships, so in a low traffic area a few of those could easily result in a lockdown.

Like many others here, I have seen various people claim to be behind the lockdown, I have not seen a single screenshot, video or any other evidence that backs up any such claim. Until I do, I believe that the current lockdown was just a combination of random player action and bad timing.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

It's been recently said that lockdown is a minimum of 3 days. Doing actions to counter act it can only lessen it to the minimum.

While it doesn't apply in this case, Lockdowns can last less than three days if overridden by a higher priority state (War, Civil War, Election, Expansion or Retreat).