PvP Aliens are ruining PvP

[Agony_Aunt]

I don't know what you carebears are whining about.

Me neither. Combat logging is a PvP problem, not a PvE problem.

Someone doesn't want to risk PvP then they shouldn't be playing in Open.

Would be a lot less complaints if everyone who didn't want PvP stopped playing in Open. Of course, that would mean only about 1000 players left playing in open..... but hey, at least everyone would be happy then.

 

[Herbrand]

A lot of PvE players are going to Maia because Thargoids.

Some of said PvE players need to be in Open to find allies to fight Thargoids together, for whatever reason.

A subset of the above players are unwilling to have their day ruined by people that want unilateral PvP.

Salt ensues.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If people want PvE only, they can create their own group. But that would require effort, so it's clearly too much to be bothered with. Right?

Careful now, careless readers could take this as advice to join a Private Group like the one that shall not be mentioned here.

And since

This is the PvP sub-forum Zig.

that's quite controversial.

We all know c-logging is cheating, even if some folks won't openly acknowledge the fact.

I'm glad you're here though. I know you would never do such a thing.

Indeed. My preferred method is to get a cup of coffee if I can't evade the interdiction. Nope. Private Group is the only way to play this game

I do wonder, do you send comms messages when you interdict someone?

 

[Martian Successor]

Me neither. Combat logging is a PvP problem, not a PvE problem.

Someone doesn't want to risk PvP then they shouldn't be playing in Open.

Would be a lot less complaints if everyone who didn't want PvP stopped playing in Open. Of course, that would mean only about 1000 players left playing in open..... but hey, at least everyone would be happy then.

Combat logging is a game wide problem, surely. It's cheating to avoid a rebuy, plain and simple.

 

[Martian Successor]

A lot of PvE players are going to Maia because Thargoids.

Some of said PvE players need to be in Open to find allies to fight Thargoids together, for whatever reason.

A subset of the above players are unwilling to have their day ruined by people that want unilateral PvP.

Salt ensues.

A problem that would not exist if FDev didn't seperate PvE builds and PvP builds by such a huge disparity.

 

[CMDR Ilmari]

^ PvE/PvP build separation and power creep (and, imo, the impossibility of ascertaining whether the interdictor's build is massively overpowered to you) is indeed a factor.

Me neither. Combat logging is a PvP problem, not a PvE problem.

I seem to recall people network/process kill logging on NPCs.

It's not as if PvE-related suicidewindering to clear one's bounties is a problem either. That might expose them to unwanted PvP

 

[StiTch]

Seriously. What is going on here?

I'm still in Maia, and I'd swear every third cmdr has combat logged on me.

Isn't that pretty good going?

Private Group is the only way to play this game

Gee whizz, I wish I'd known...I keep pressing "Open" instead of "Private Group", and the game must be presenting me with not a real galaxy to play in, but a simulation!

 

[Kerrash]

...Now I'm cheesed because yet another forum moderator is brazenly advocating the use of tactics that are clearly cheating...

I am not, nor have I ever advocated that, I would ask that you kindly refrain from misconstruing my words.
I'll even go as far to say that C-Logging is not within the spirit of the game and should not be condoned.

The point I have been trying to get to however, is that you are projecting unrealistic expectations onto other players.
You should expect a victim do this, as much as a victim should expect to get lynched in open play.

 

[Kerrash]

There are plenty of reasons why they were built so, but I am fairly certain you do not want to discuss them.

 

[StiTch]

The point I have been trying to get to however, is that you are projecting unrealistic expectations onto other players.
You should expect a victim do this, as much as a victim should expect to get lynched in open play.

You may need to clarify this. You should expect players to combat log illegitimately because they weren't prepared?

Because if it's the latter, it's cheating. No ifs, ands or buts, no excuses, no advocating it.

Amazes me that one can create huge noise over gameplay which is advertised on the main ED website, but cheating? Excusable because armchair psychology.

Perhaps if people took the time to read the game they were buying, we'd have a broader understanding that what you're trying to dissuade is a) completely acceptable and b) actively advertised. We certainly didn't buy the wrong game

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm on a mission to actively discourage their use.

It's a peacekeeping mission, and I'm actually the good guy.

This war mongering and pointless Thargoid killing must be stopped.

Thargoids are peaceful and loving creatures.

Nobody has ever been hyperdicted and killed by a Thargoid without provocation by a war mongering human.

You have never fired on a Thargoid?

 

[EvE4evah]

Kerrash, o7

I hope you're not advocating the CLog?

 

[Kerrash]

Care to elaborate?

Because it seems quite arbitrary to me.

Lore-wise the weapons are intended to be caustic/biological; so it makes sense that they do not damage human tech anywhere near as much.
Gameplay wise, it's fairly obvious that the team wanted to present something that would require a trade off for players to consider.
Nothing goes into a game without a considerable amount of hard work and thought, to assert otherwise is disingenuous and down right rude TBH

You may need to clarify this. You should expect players to combat log illegitimately because they weren't prepared?

Because if it's the latter, it's cheating. No ifs, ands or buts, no excuses, no advocating it. ...

Sure. What I mean is, to not expect to see this behaviour is naive. It is frustrating sure, but people should just report that user and move on.
If you see a pattern where, for example, players of a given ship type are repeatedly combat logging on you; then I would advise not even bothering trying to interact with them.
Don't give them the satisfaction of escaping, just don't even play with them.

EDIT:

Kerrash, o7

I hope you're not advocating the CLog?

Not at all, I am vehemently opposed to it.
What I am saying is, why try playing with people who blatantly do not want it; just ignore them and move on to targets that are worth your while.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I have, in fact, fired on these peace loving and harmless creatures.

I may never be able to forgive myself.

Only option as far as I can see is self destruct.

 

[StiTch]

Sure. What I mean is, to not expect to see this behaviour is naive. It is frustrating sure, but people should just report that user and move on.
If you see a pattern where, for example, players of a given ship type are repeatedly combat logging on you; then I would advise not even bothering trying to interact with them.
Don't give them the satisfaction of escaping, just don't even play with them.

So to put this in context:

If I turn up to a chess tournament, and in every game pick up the pieces, throw them one by one at the other player until they accept I won, the moderators are expected to let me win the tournament because it's just easier than picking me up on it?

Or if I steal from a store repeatedly, and am repeatedly caught, dem coppahs would be expected to leave me alone because it's just hassle?

Vehemently against CLing? Friend, picture Inigo Montoya for one moment: "You keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means". The only vehemence I've seen from you is in dissuading murder, at the cost of coming across as advocating cheating. This is really quite a simple matter: force quitting the game is cheating, and the blame should not be redirected elsewhere.

Only
option as far as I can see is self destruct.

I tried that once, but found myself alive and at station. And to think that when Faulcon deLacy sold me a ship named "The Ressurection" I thought they were pulling legs.

 

[Oggy85]

I think you must be in the wrong sub-forum, pal.

Anyway, I finally got a good fight!

After several combat logs, one bad dude in a Corvette stayed to fight, even though he was primarily fit for Thargoid combat.

Got my FDL down to 56%, but low waked when I broke his shields.

That's how the game is supposed to be played.

Well done CMDR. Wherever you are. [up]

From your post seems like you are flying FdL (don't want to assume how much engineered, so I will not go there). You didn't specify which ships have been running away so I will assume they might have been something other than FdL....

I'm just started to play in open (played in SOLO for some time), have my combat rank deadly (NPC farming) but frankly in terms of fighting someone with brain I am as good as being ranked harmless. To make things worst, I got quite rusty from recent long exploration trip (to fly a ship properly, yet alone to fight in it)...

Didn't use combat logging, but most of my PVP encounters finish either with me high wakeing or with me getting destroyed.

Had couple of PVP encounters and all have been with god roll FdL. Even when I try to fight them (with my "I don't have that much time to grind for materials" vulture) I cannot even scratch their shields, one ring if I'm lucky.

Not saying that CMDRs who I encountered are not better pilots (they certainly are) and skilled, but most of them have been in GOD FdL which has been:

1. Faster than Cobra MK3
2. Heavily shielded and resistant to any form of damage (6 utility slots go figure)
3. Small and nimble
4. 6A PP to overcome any power issues caused by these modifications
5. 4 medium and one huge hard points armed with all sort for experimental effects and weapons

See where I'm going?

So for people that are interested in something other than combat and thus are probably not in GOD FdL, but want to play in open choices are simple:

1. Run away (not sure how in normal space due to superior speed and FSD disrupting tech these days...)
2. Die and re-buy
3. Switch from open play

Most people that play the game want to have fun. They also have right to play in open as there is other p2p interaction than getting killed. So if someone is fed up being destroyed he/she might do what you described above.

Not saying it is nice thing to do, but destroying a T7 (without any piracy role-playing) in such superior ship is not as well.

Please don't take me wrong and I'm not saying that you are doing such things to other players, but FdL has a reputation and all ships that interdicted me have been "silent-don't talk" hobo murders.

CMDRs like CilitBang who fight in Viper MK3 (and win) are nice example of skilled pilots that does not need a superb ship to make a point. I wish we had more of that and less of everyone is flying a engineered FdL stuff and people would probably NOT run away as they see another FdL player.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Arg. Ninjas!

 

[StiTch]

Had couple of PVP encounters and all have been with god roll FdL. Even when I try to fight them (with my "I don't have that much time to grind for materials" vulture) I cannot even scratch their shields, one ring if I'm lucky.

To be fair if you spend any time around here, you'll notice that many serious PvPers agree this is the bane of Open. Engineers have done a lot of harm in that respect, and I myself have put forward a few suggestions on curbing the extreme advantage obtained by over-engineered ships.

Unfortunately it's a catch-22. Most suggestions aimed at making Open more palatable by reducing the gulf between such builds were dismissed because it involved making a change that had something to do with PvP.

 

[Martian Successor]

Only option as far as I can see is self destruct.

He could be having problems with self-rebuying

Or if I steal from a store repeatedly, and am repeatedly caught, dem coppahs would be expected to leave me alone because it's just hassle?

Actually in the UK right now, yes they will. If you're a shop lifter in the UK right now the police can't be bothered with trying to catch you cos it's just too much hassle [up]

 

[Kerrash]

So to put this in context:

If I turn up to a chess tournament, and in every game pick up the pieces, throw them one by one at the other player until they accept I won, the moderators are expected to let me win the tournament because it's just easier than picking me up on it?
...

It appears you are completely missing my point, so I will attempt to expand on one of your analogies:

In the case of the chess game. IMO. The C-Logger is the person throwing the pieces, and the attacker is sat down trying to play the game. What I am saying is that if a person starts throwing chess pieces at you, you cannot expect to have a worthwhile interaction with them. The rational thing would be to walk away and find another opponent. Report the player to the moderators and let them kick them out of the tournament.