There is no way in which this is a metaphor to what Kerrash said.
Nor is this.
And the key is that he wasn't talking about blame but expectations.
PvP Aliens are ruining PvP
Hence my clarification. I think Stitch might be looking at my posts standing on his head
And when the moderator hands him a glass of water, moves you to your next game, and he also starts throwing pieces?
I'm not missing your point at all. I just don't agree that between a cheating party and non-cheating party, the answer is to ask the non-cheating party to adjust their playing.
At the end of the day OP had no choice but to move on; the other player combat logged, after all. What you're asking him to do is stop going after those people because they cheat. What if OP wants to go after said people? Sounds like you're stopping him play his way
If you step into Open, you agree to potential attack, and to deal with that by either escaping or using a 15 second timer. If you don't agree to that, change to PG or ask FD to change their stance on combat logging. Breaking that makes you the bad guy. It cannot be more straightforward than that.
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... What you're asking him to do is stop going after those people because they cheat. What if OP wants to go after said people? Sounds like you're stopping him play his way
No, I am not saying that it is his fault or that he should stop playing his way.
Only that the expectation of never encountering cheats is naive.
As a player, you can report them or not attempt to interact with them in the first place.
That is all you can do. Ranting about it here will never change people cheating.
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My FDL isn't "god rolled" but it is almost fully engineered. I play in open (unless I want to avoid combat
Any of the options you listed are fine (although nobody wants to rebuy).
Running away is a perfectly acceptable solution, and it usually works if you know what to do.
Almost anything can survive long enough to hi-wake against a single opponent.
While I don't encourage anyone to play exclusively in solo mode, there is nothing wrong with staying there until you have the requisite skill to survive in open.
I agree with you in the most part of your posts, but, there is ONE point i don't like : " I play in open (unless I want to avoid combat
), and PvP, so it has to be."This is the probleme with some ppl and some ED critical concept...
In clear, it say : I make my money and my engineer in safe mode, and now, i have many cr and my ships ready i go pvp in open...
Sorry dude, but i really desagree with it. If you are playing open and asking ppl don't CL, well, begin by play open only yourself.
The Open isn t PVP place, it's MP world place, where you can find pvp, or not... All your cr and ships if you earn them in solo/GP and used in open for pvp aren't legit from my point of view, and in fine you aren't more honorable then any CLer
Well ya kinda did. I'm being deliberately obtuse about the whole affair, as I am sure you're aware, but only because the point itself should really be quite simple.
My, if only we could leave it on this note and ask players to be this tranquil accepting attacks in Open :3
Just remember it's something you don't like. It's still acceptable, it's still intended. If someone wants to shoot things, or roleplay as a baddie, that's their right.
A no-restrictions, "blaze your own trail" open galaxy is the game that was sold to us. If someone doesn't like that, blaze your own trail by becoming the crime/punishment they deserve, developing an escape technique, or taking it "offline" to PG where you've been given safe haven.
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NPCs don't generally come to the forums to complain when a player logs on them though..... unless... you are an NPC? :O
Noticed recently that this forum section exist and decided to monitor it since I'm interested to begin doing PVP. Agree on what you said about over-engineered ships and what effect they have on PVP. Lets hope FD will balance things properly... but won't hold my breath
Lets hope FD will balance things properly... but won't hold my breath
I'll sort of let my breath out slowly. Or something. I want this to work, but I'm far from convinced the solution FD chose is the correct one.
On the other hand if you want a hand getting into PvP, feel free to add "CMDR StiTch!" in-game for advice/friendly duels.
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I would agree that the root of the problem is due to Frontier naively believing that players on either side would fight honourably. Instead we have a situation where, by any means necessary, victims flee and attackers choose to dominate.
Not a fun experience for either side.
Well that's just the thing; I don't believe FD did intend the game to be about honour. In fact when you look at the outlook many FD folk have on ED, down to the ED site itself, they're quite open in saying that players can choose to be pirates or murderers or basically do what they want.
I made the point in the other thread - I personally believe the fatal flaw was scrapping offline Solo. I can understand the motive, and I objected to offline solo before, but I was being a tad drastic then. Players that want a solo, trundling-along-at-own-pace experience should have had that as its own thing, and players that wanted the MP experience should have had a multiplayer game. ED can't decide whether it's either, and it shows.
Cheating the game is still cheating the game regardless of whether it's done against NPCs, humans or sentient bananas and regardless whether a complaint thread pops up in a forum or not. The devs view it as undesirable in all its forms in their game and that's really the bottom line on the matter.
I'd have thought it's pretty straightforward logic to grasp and not really up for whataboutisms.
You d better move on about CL, this thread exist since ED day one... Just imagine any CL are a win. In fact, if a cmdr CL, killing him shouldn't have any value, and you don't loose a fantastic fight gameplay, may be u gain some precious time in fact ^^ ...
IMHO. I believe, repeated C-Logging should result in shadow banning so you wouldn't even see them anymore. Or at least being locked out of Open
EDIT: A good outlook to have.
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Technically I am an NPC.
And the same applies to pirates, or PvP bounty hunters, or...wait, whoops...
Well, facetiousness aside, expecting any game to suddenly improve to better cater to a specific play style is a lost cause
Well, facetiousness aside, expecting any game to suddenly improve to better cater to a specific play style is a lost cause
You mean, the play styles that were supposedly a focus when the game was first being developed?
To be fair though, that in itself isn't a sore point for me. I actually rather less tools for piracy; IMO when it comes to PvP piracy it should be less about tools, more about social engineering. And as for PvP bounty hunting...well, that's only ever a boon all around. If they don't improve that when they finally improve C&P they'll be letting down players from every side.