INRA Base Discoveries

[vidslo]

Perhaps JJ-386 is just a nod to John Jordan. He reverse engineered the executable for FFE and converted it to i386 assembly, with Windows compatible Direct X. It's named JJFFE

Making FFE Windows(and Linux) compatible, helped keep the Elite flame burning all those quiet years. It was a brilliant effort and JJ certainly deserves a nod.

This seems too coincidental to not be true. The ship's name is a nod to John Jordan, but there's still the good chance that it's relevant to the history of INRA.

The problem now is, without further info (and since we can't try to correlate the ship's name to a CMDR in history), I don't know how we'd even know where to start looking. HIP 17125 is a good system to start in, but the only thing hinting that it's the place to look is this picture: https://www.drewwagar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Old-thargoid-encounter.png

However, and perhaps someone can clue me in better, the plane of the ring in the above linked picture does not seem to make sense when compared to the planet on the lower left of the image unless the ring that the Scout/Cobra are in is from a ringed moon of the planet on the lower left of the image.

Forgive me if I'm not making any sense, or looking way too far into this, no coffee yet this AM...

 

[[VR] Goooost]

Cobra JJ 386 is in the HIP 17 125 's system certainly on the same planet as the thargoid scout, all the pists go this way...

I think it may be the Recon 6 ship that Relay Station PSJ-17 talks about. They sent a patrol to scuttle the Victoria's Song, lost one of their ships after it encountered an unknown ship. It's last transmission was gibberish:

:12 15 3 1 20 5 4:UKHKNWK RFDKLI RMUQCT: RYRSTJ BFN 19026:NILKTS O 1 C:ILS JFKUR 17:IMKD JFKUR 152:NITLRT QTJTJOTQ URTS SBT JTRRLDT MUS:

The smiley was not part of it.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Perhaps JJ-386 is just a nod to John Jordan. He reverse engineered the executable for FFE and converted it to i386 assembly, with Windows compatible Direct X. It's named JJFFE

Making FFE Windows(and Linux) compatible, helped keep the Elite flame burning all those quiet years. It was a brilliant effort and JJ certainly deserves a nod.

Now that makes a lot of sense, a lot more sense than it being Jameson.

So often there are differences between versions for machines. Like when Elite was converted to various machines they added or removed missions, added ships etc. Is there info anywhere on what might be different? If there any alteration that might be the clue. Like for example extra missions, new planets etc.?

I was there last night flying around the scout area between 6-7km alt (higher it's very difficult to see the scout by reference in my case), nothing for now. If we can assume that the cobra MK 2.5 is the opponent of the scout, HIP 17125 A 3 A is not the only candidate. JJ-386 crash area could be in an another planet in the system, it's a possibility if the fight zone between the scout and the cobra is HIP 17125.

As I've said since the scout was found via the POI bug, any other POI in the system also showed up, since it's not been reported I would say it's pretty safe to rule out the scout system.

 

[Factabulous]

I think it may be the Recon 6 ship that Relay Station PSJ-17 talks about. They sent a patrol to scuttle the Victoria's Song, lost one of their ships after it encountered an unknown ship. It's last transmission was gibberish:

:12 15 3 1 20 5 4:UKHKNWK RFDKLI RMUQCT: RYRSTJ BFN 19026:NILKTS O 1 C:ILS JFKUR 17:IMKD JFKUR 152:NITLRT QTJTJOTQ URTS SBT JTRRLDT MUS:

The smiley was not part of it.

That message was decoded: https://canonn.science/codex/relay-station-psj-17/

UNKNOWN SIGNAL SOURCE: SYSTEM HIP 19026LANET 0 1 C:LAT MINUS 17:LONG MINUS 152LEASE REMEMBER US:GET THE MESSAGE OUT:

(Points to a Thargoid Structure)

 

[gooddoc]

As I've said since the scout was found via the POI bug, any other POI in the system also showed up, since it's not been reported I would say it's pretty safe to rule out the scout system.

Not if the Cobra was placed in the game later on, after the bug was sorted.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Not if the Cobra was placed in the game later on, after the bug was sorted.

Then it's unlikely it was related the the scout ship crash then, since if Fdev are telling the narrative that some people have assumed (about the scout ship fighting the cobra) then they would surely have placed them at the same time - and that still means we can rule out the Scout ship systems.

In addition to that, if it's J Jameson from FE2 - there were no Thargoids at all in FE2, so the narrative of him fighting Thargs doesn't really make sense.

Lastly, the scout ship is clearly suffering Mycoid damage which easily explains the crash without having to build any other narrative around it.

As much as I love the idea that that bit of art was used to create a narrative, I think if that's the case then it's extremely unlikely to be the scout ship system.

 

[Lightspeed]

The Cobra is definitely there for the narrative: it was part of the "reveal" for what is coming in 2.4 .... so far, we've had:

the extra weapons shown in the Thargoid combat (for which we have had CGs);
the downed Thargoid scout (which was discovered ahead of the reveal);
the INRA bases ......

other ships (T 10 maybe) to come, and definitely the Cobra is connected somehow and there was a deliberate pan of JJ-386, despite it being a very short clip

 

[Louis Calvert]

The Cobra is definitely there for the narrative: it was part of the "reveal" for what is coming in 2.4 .... so far, we've had:

the extra weapons shown in the Thargoid combat (for which we have had CGs);
the downed Thargoid scout (which was discovered ahead of the reveal);
the INRA bases ......

other ships (T 10 maybe) to come, and definitely the Cobra is connected somehow and there was a deliberate pan of JJ-386, despite it being a very short clip

I totally agree. However I disagree that linking it with an bit of (entirely unrelated) art depicting a cobra fighting a Thargoid is a sound way to locate it by fixating on the scout ship system when we know (due to a bug) all the POI's there have been located.

Fdev made it hard by only showing us a snip of beige ground, and they know it. But they show us stuff they want us to find.

I think Han_Zen's idea is spot on, that's it's a nod to John Jordan's rewrite of FFE to the 386 platform.

In the 2.4 Trailer we're shown:

Crashed scout ship > New "Type 10(?)" ship in dock > JJ-386 > Type 10(?) Taking off from Jameson Memorial (SD) > INRA Tanks and base...

They're also very careful to show us there's a flashing beacon and canisters behind JJ-386 (and not much else other than beige!). So... What if we assume (just for a second) that it's not related to the scout ship.

How about this:

Crashed scout ship - we know it's infected with Mycoid - that's the link, the Mycoid. Then we see JJ-386, a crashed Cobra (maybe), the classic FFE style, bearing a reg number nod to the guy who revived FFE and kept the light burning - with canisters outside... What if, that's supposed to be hinting to look at FFE for clues to the discovery of the INRA base.

We know that's helped located at least one base, and the general INRA narrative is close to that from FFE, also we know that the main focus of the INRA plot in FFE was Hotice, the place where the Mycoid vaccine was stored (and apparently other INRA stuff). We also know that the INRA base trail went cold at with the last location talking about shipping off the vaccine to a new location - seems reasonable to assume that place is Hotice.

We already know that the INRA bases were found out of order by luck and hundreds of collective hours brute force searching, and we also know that often after a find somewhere down the line someone stumbles on the clue that points in that direction - like recently the Listening Post that points to the GCS Sarasvati was found, after the ship itself.

So what if JJ-386 ship was meant to point at the INRA bases, or one of them? That puts a new frame on it, and potentially gives us a new area to search:

Given that, and assuming that we were maybe meant to stumble on the ship first, then maybe looking around the Alliance worlds will be the place to locate it (since FFE's story element was heavily based around the Alliance).

This may well be mostly incorrect, but I think we need to look at factors other than this picture https://www.drewwagar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Old-thargoid-encounter.png and stop making assumptions that since there's planet rings here and there's rings around the planet near the scout ship crash, that there must also be the cobra.

 

[vidslo]

I totally agree. However I disagree that linking it with an bit of (entirely unrelated) art depicting a cobra fighting a Thargoid is a sound way to locate it by fixating on the scout ship system when we know (due to a bug) all the POI's there have been located.

Fdev made it hard by only showing us a snip of beige ground, and they know it. But they show us stuff they want us to find.

I think Han_Zen's idea is spot on, that's it's a nod to John Jordan's rewrite of FFE to the 386 platform.

In the 2.4 Trailer we're shown:

Crashed scout ship > New "Type 10(?)" ship in dock > JJ-386 > Type 10(?) Taking off from Jameson Memorial (SD) > INRA Tanks and base...

They're also very careful to show us there's a flashing beacon and canisters behind JJ-386 (and not much else other than beige!). So... What if we assume (just for a second) that it's not related to the scout ship.

How about this:

Crashed scout ship - we know it's infected with Mycoid - that's the link, the Mycoid. Then we see JJ-386, a crashed Cobra (maybe), the classic FFE style, bearing a reg number nod to the guy who revived FFE and kept the light burning - with canisters outside... What if, that's supposed to be hinting to look at FFE for clues to the discovery of the INRA base.

We know that's helped located at least one base, and the general INRA narrative is close to that from FFE, also we know that the main focus of the INRA plot in FFE was Hotice, the place where the Mycoid vaccine was stored (and apparently other INRA stuff). We also know that the INRA base trail went cold at with the last location talking about shipping off the vaccine to a new location - seems reasonable to assume that place is Hotice.

We already know that the INRA bases were found out of order by luck and hundreds of collective hours brute force searching, and we also know that often after a find somewhere down the line someone stumbles on the clue that points in that direction - like recently the Listening Post that points to the GCS Sarasvati was found, after the ship itself.

So what if JJ-386 ship was meant to point at the INRA bases, or one of them? That puts a new frame on it, and potentially gives us a new area to search:

Given that, and assuming that we were maybe meant to stumble on the ship first, then maybe looking around the Alliance worlds will be the place to locate it (since FFE's story element was heavily based around the Alliance).

This may well be mostly incorrect, but I think we need to look at factors other than this picture https://www.drewwagar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Old-thargoid-encounter.png and stop making assumptions that since there's planet rings here and there's rings around the planet near the scout ship crash, that there must also be the cobra.

I think you are correct with regards to the cobra not being on HIP 17125. As for FFE's story and the potential relation to the cobra, I'd suggest looking thru all of this: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/

I don't have time since I'm working right now, but wanted to post this for those that want to start looking for correlations.

 

[Louis Calvert]

I think you are correct with regards to the cobra not being on HIP 17125. As for FFE's story and the potential relation to the cobra, I'd suggest looking thru all of this: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/

I don't have time since I'm working right now, but wanted to post this for those that want to start looking for correlations.

I have been reading through those since Thargoids first showed up, a lot of stuff from that does appear in ED to some degree. This is also good, it's a list of the missions with the actual mission text: http://ffeartpage.com/pdf/ffemiss.pdf

I think these are the two most interesting bits:

"INRA have a Northern base on Liaethfa at sector co-ordinates [0, 7]"

and

“Incoming message from the Thargoid Clone Leader: Thank you for your trust in us. Our proposal is this: We require the Vaccine to combat the effects of an engineered micro-organism which is infecting our ships and our systems. We know that it exists in large quantities in underground bunkers on the INRA research base at the planet Hotice 1 in the system of the same name at co-ordinates [-3, -2] measured from the zero point of your star Sol.“

Hotice shows up in most of the alternates I've read in the journals. If you don't help the Thargoids and they ultimately attack, there's a report about the Hotice facility being attacked by Thargoids.

I made a post here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/384808-Finding-a-NEW-INRA-Base-(Maybe) on looking for Hotice in ED a while ago before any INRA bases were found.

This is the first time I've come across the Liaethfa reference though, might be an interesting one to look for.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I think it may be the Recon 6 ship that Relay Station PSJ-17 talks about. They sent a patrol to scuttle the Victoria's Song, lost one of their ships after it encountered an unknown ship. It's last transmission was gibberish:

:12 15 3 1 20 5 4:UKHKNWK RFDKLI RMUQCT: RYRSTJ BFN 19026:NILKTS O 1 C:ILS JFKUR 17:IMKD JFKUR 152:NITLRT QTJTJOTQ URTS SBT JTRRLDT MUS:

The smiley was not part of it.

sorry, see https://canonn.science/codex/recon-6/

 

[The Lawful]

Here it is in 2560x1440:

Spoiler

https://i.imgur.com/qnAtUMy.jpg

It doesn't look like "dead alien meat" for me ...

Something about the black triangle on the hull always strikes me as odd. First I thought of a shadow, but it doesn't fit IMHO, and it can't be the attacker as it doesn't move. Any suggestions what that might be?

O7,
[noob]

 

[Lightspeed]

I totally agree. However I disagree that linking it with an bit of (entirely unrelated) art depicting a cobra fighting a Thargoid is a sound way to locate it by fixating on the scout ship system when we know (due to a bug) all the POI's there have been located.

Fdev made it hard by only showing us a snip of beige ground, and they know it. But they show us stuff they want us to find.

I think Han_Zen's idea is spot on, that's it's a nod to John Jordan's rewrite of FFE to the 386 platform.

In the 2.4 Trailer we're shown:

Crashed scout ship > New "Type 10(?)" ship in dock > JJ-386 > Type 10(?) Taking off from Jameson Memorial (SD) > INRA Tanks and base...

They're also very careful to show us there's a flashing beacon and canisters behind JJ-386 (and not much else other than beige!). So... What if we assume (just for a second) that it's not related to the scout ship.

How about this:

Crashed scout ship - we know it's infected with Mycoid - that's the link, the Mycoid. Then we see JJ-386, a crashed Cobra (maybe), the classic FFE style, bearing a reg number nod to the guy who revived FFE and kept the light burning - with canisters outside... What if, that's supposed to be hinting to look at FFE for clues to the discovery of the INRA base.

We know that's helped located at least one base, and the general INRA narrative is close to that from FFE, also we know that the main focus of the INRA plot in FFE was Hotice, the place where the Mycoid vaccine was stored (and apparently other INRA stuff). We also know that the INRA base trail went cold at with the last location talking about shipping off the vaccine to a new location - seems reasonable to assume that place is Hotice.

We already know that the INRA bases were found out of order by luck and hundreds of collective hours brute force searching, and we also know that often after a find somewhere down the line someone stumbles on the clue that points in that direction - like recently the Listening Post that points to the GCS Sarasvati was found, after the ship itself.

So what if JJ-386 ship was meant to point at the INRA bases, or one of them? That puts a new frame on it, and potentially gives us a new area to search:

Given that, and assuming that we were maybe meant to stumble on the ship first, then maybe looking around the Alliance worlds will be the place to locate it (since FFE's story element was heavily based around the Alliance).

This may well be mostly incorrect, but I think we need to look at factors other than this picture https://www.drewwagar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Old-thargoid-encounter.png and stop making assumptions that since there's planet rings here and there's rings around the planet near the scout ship crash, that there must also be the cobra.

Food for thought here ... have some rep while I digest this

 

[Lezway]

Something had also been bothering me about the pic. The damage doesn't look like the caustic damage a thargoid would dish out. More like normal weapon fire?
Maybe this has been covered and I missed it??

 

[Louis Calvert]

Something had also been bothering me about the pic. The damage doesn't look like the caustic damage a thargoid would dish out. More like normal weapon fire?
Maybe this has been covered and I missed it??

Agreed, from what we can see looks to be regular stuff

 

[simulacrae]

Just prior to crashing there was a string ob beeps and a message poped up " Math coprocessor failure- The math coprocessor has failed. If possible, replace the MPU"

 

[relayer]

Just prior to crashing there was a string ob beeps and a message poped up " Math coprocessor failure- The math coprocessor has failed. If possible, replace the MPU"

This ties in with the 386 - it needs to be updated with a 486DX with a math coprocessor! Obviously, the JJ-386 could not do floating point calculations and that is why the ship... crashed.

OK, I will stop now.

 

[c3shooter]

Sorry to revert back to the inra bases, but I have been to the Med Research, Hollis and am now at Mayes chemical. Of these 3 only Mayes has materials scattered about is there a reason that this one would have goodies and not the others?

Also found this on top of one of the structures

I took the pic last night and couldn't see that other line of text, so I am going to go back and look again with fresh eyes, and now having read through all 63 pages of thread...Maybe something else will pop out to me, in the meantime if anyone knows something about that let me know.

EDIT...for whatever reason the image is not loading, on top of a building in large lettering is written "Vega Line"

 

[ExoForce]

EDIT...for whatever reason the image is not loading, on top of a building in large lettering is written "Vega Line"

Sharp eye You have. "Vega line shipping" is the owner of containers used for transporting Mycoid reservoirs.
Ive had a good laugh reading cargo declaration on those containers: water, coffee beans, 240 rolls of toilet paper etc... Masterpiece FD

I expect that huge INRA base with tens of huge Mycoid reservoirs will be found.
Tomorrow I go back to Hermitage, not to the base. I do not imply anything, just want to check some area.

 

[c3shooter]

Today I tried something different, used the ship's lights in hover mode, and just the free camera. Much better lighting than the SRV, after a detailed visual search, yes, I snapped a picture of one of 2 cargo containers....and not the easy one to photograph, oh well, gonna do another round here, and then I am thinking of returning to the medical facility, see if I can find any rogue numbers, letters or other clues.

By reading the logs, I would expect a military launch base, a storage depot, another medical research facility all as possible other locations.