PvP An incident in open

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whilst i accept there are probably ways to stop the rammer from getting what they want via tough builds etc...... for me personally, and the OP it seems, its just totally 4th wall breaking. In a game as bit and complex as Elite, for those who care about verisimilitude and immersion (yes i know the i word that some thing should be banned from here!) seeing this kind of nonsense happening just kills the game. the vast majority of folk can play within the spirit of the game and NOT take advantage of every loophole in the games ai / rules... but sadly a small minority wont... and my money is on those who wont are also those who do the crack train rubbish, or did the 5:1 exploit and have ships completely built to do just this kind of thing, which makes me suspect if the op had hung around, he would have been blown up long before the rammer finally set the station defences on him.

years ago bungie handled this quite well. there were a number of obvious exploits in halo... (Reach i think it was), those who frequented the forums knew what they were, but rather than bungie "fix" them and potentially throw the baby out with the bath water by annoying the 99% of legit players, they had a system where IF they caught / or were sent a video of a player using the exploits, they were banned.

epic did the same with gears of war, submit a video and they would wield the ban hammer......

FD are just too tolerant imo... some people on here have said "you cant ban me, i paid money i can do what i want" (not exact quote)................... but that is not true.... bungie happily banned folk from halo, epic happily banned folk from gears of war 3.

I submitted plenty of videos, and sure enough, it may have took some time (presumably they had to have more than 1 complaint before acting) but eventually you would see a recognisable name show up on the forum moaning that "I just had my character wiped" or "i just had my account banned" and i never cheated ever honest!..... (sometimes with a "but perhaps my brother / son / dog did something") to which the response was "tough...."

or failing that, after a while you would just notice that the regular expoiters just would not be seen any more..

FD are too nice for their own good imo and worry too much about upsetting a few and end up upsetting the many instead.
I think it would be enough to ban them to Solo. They would probably stop playing anyway but they couldn't complain about it.
 
I think it would be enough to ban them to Solo. They would probably stop playing anyway but they couldn't complain about it.

oh sure.... sorry yeah i didnt mean close their account fully...... but ban their account (not cmdr) to solo, that way if they want to go back into open at least they need to support the game some more ;)
 
I wouldn't call it combat logging since there was no combat. One player was taking advantage of an exploit, and from what I have read, FDev is against the spirit of this type of behavior. Logging out in this scenario is, in my opinion, the logical and justifiable course of action.
 
I wouldn't call it combat logging since there was no combat. One player was taking advantage of an exploit, and from what I have read, FDev is against the spirit of this type of behavior. Logging out in this scenario is, in my opinion, the logical and justifiable course of action.

Please, let's try to not discuss if it was combat logging. It was just a stupid joke and I already regret it... ;)
 
Lame stuff from the FdL. As the FdL doesnt have the guts to open fire its not combat, so just log out and land in solo if you want. At some point you dont need to be considerate any more.
 
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I think it would be enough to ban them to Solo. They would probably stop playing anyway but they couldn't complain about it.

I love this idea actually. Its effectively a time out for bad behavior. Go to your room and think about what you have done!

I wouldn't call it combat logging since there was no combat. One player was taking advantage of an exploit, and from what I have read, FDev is against the spirit of this type of behavior. Logging out in this scenario is, in my opinion, the logical and justifiable course of action.

My thoughts as well.
 
Basically you've encountered an old issue : the lack of Traffic Management and enforced Traffic Deconfliction inside protected (Air)space such as inside or around Stations etc.

It was suggested a very long time ago but ignored. You basically paid the ultimate price for that, years later (mind if I say : precisely as predicted).

Currently there's absolutely nothing one could do, as there are no Scripts in place to detect and determine non-weaponized Attacks such as ramming below 100m/sec.
The Game has no means to identify "Hostile Intent" and "Hostile Action - non-Weaponized" weighted against a CMDR's History and Track Record, thus it can't and won't do anything.

It all falls apart at exactly this point, allowing CMDRs to do things which damage & destroy other vessels with complete impunity - right inside an Ocellus Starport in a High Security System.

The system we have is to stop suicide sidewinders have a chance to get you killed by them dying on you, and you getting a bounty, but only while you are under 100m/s.

Sadly now they have found a way to circumvent this.

However, I would say, if you boost once after supercruise (need to lined with the slot), and then use a docking computer, you can be over the limit and not get fined (because that then becomes the stations fault, as they are at that time in control of your ship), and the docking computer actually tries to avoid rams, and can dupe players into letting the ship dock, it's actually rather funny.

'Master PvPers', beaten by a docking computer. Now that's embarrassment they won't be able to deal with ;).
 
The system we have is to stop suicide sidewinders have a chance to get you killed by them dying on you, and you getting a bounty, but only while you are under 100m/s.

Sadly now they have found a way to circumvent this.

However, I would say, if you boost once after supercruise (need to lined with the slot), and then use a docking computer, you can be over the limit and not get fined (because that then becomes the stations fault, as they are at that time in control of your ship), and the docking computer actually tries to avoid rams, and can dupe players into letting the ship dock, it's actually rather funny.

'Master PvPers', beaten by a docking computer. Now that's embarrassment they won't be able to deal with ;).

Problem is (IIRC) as soon as someone shoots you the docking computer stops working and you regain (does this word exist?) control of your ship. If a second person rams you in this moment you will be punished for it.
 
Problem is (IIRC) as soon as someone shoots you the docking computer stops working and you regain (does this word exist?) control of your ship. If a second person rams you in this moment you will be punished for it.

If you are clean, and the perp shoots you, they get tagged as Wanted by the station. Losing the DC at that time doesn't matter if they ram you or explode because of it. They become the transgressor.
 
Problem is (IIRC) as soon as someone shoots you the docking computer stops working and you regain (does this word exist?) control of your ship. If a second person rams you in this moment you will be punished for it.

The ships actually comes to a stop, becuase that happened while I was accidentally carrying a criminal (i didn't check), and the ground base shot at me and I stopped moving, wondered why, then realised, and if you boost once after supercruise, after lining up the slot, you'll be in the station no fire zone so they'll then be wanted too.
 
If you are clean, and the perp shoots you, they get tagged as Wanted by the station. Losing the DC at that time doesn't matter if they ram you or explode because of it. They become the transgressor.

Yes, but they are usually doing this in teams of two persons, one to disable DC, the other one to trigger station defense against you.
 
A question about open,
I play a mix of open / private / solo and last night I was on alone and decided to play open. I enjoy seeing other Hollow square boxes on the screen and some of the local chat. I was flying to my home system to turn in some missions as well starting to buy some new Power Play mats for ZH. On my way home I was interdicted and told there was a blockade and I could either high wake out or get blown up. I thought cool; let’s see how my piloting skills are. I salute; turn to run and low wake out. So I saw the box once again on my radar and once again I am fighting interdiction. This time I submit, and with all pips to engines, I low wake again. I am determined I’m getting home. The determined blockade protector also kept coming. I tried to keep him guessing, I would drop super cruise, and just fly till I saw him in the instance then I would once again low wake out and this little cat and mouse kept going all the way back to my orbital. I dare say it was fun and more exciting than the usual fly here, drop this off and fly back get credits.
So I get to my station, request docking, and make sure I am under 100 speed limit. I do see the FDL on screen and was curious what he would do. As soon as I entered the toaster he rammed me, taking out the remaining bit of my shields, I applauded his tenacity but was curious why the station wasn’t going to do anything about it. Then when I was near my landing pad, he proceeds to push me off course of my pad, got underneath me and started ramming some more. I could not land and was taking big damage.
This is where the immersion was broken, The station was idly watching this happen and because we were both under 100 they would not do anything. I could not do anything except let him keep ramming me. If he bested me out in space, I would happily let him destroy me. That is why you play open, but to me this guy took it to far and was abusing a lack of control in a station. So I exited the game.
My questions
(a) How would you handle this situation?
(b) What could I have done other then let him ram me to death in the station?
I like PvP encounters and will not cry foul over any of the encounter out in space but my evening was tainted and I decided after logging back in and turning in missions, I was done for the night. I was thankful I was in my engineered python and credit it for keeping me alive.
Call me whatever names you want, I am just looking for options here and to listen to some peoples thoughts on this? If the consensus is I am a bad person for logging out, so be it. I will take my pounding next time and be a better person for it.
Thanks for listening.


The ones you have to be careful for, are the ones that choose to ram in low hull ships, which can end up with you receiving a bounty upon their death and being blasted by the station for doing literally nothing. The best thing you can do, is get the heaviest ship you can and pray they go away, or go into solo and dock. Yes stations are quite vulnerable areas for players to get attacked still. Has not changed.
 
regain (does this word exist?)

Yes, perfect usage as well. Bravo.

Yes, but they are usually doing this in teams of two persons, one to disable DC, the other one to trigger station defense against you.

Quite, I can railgun someone from 5.8km.

The ones you have to be careful for, are the ones that choose to ram in low hull ships, which can end up with you receiving a bounty upon their death and being blasted by the station

This is easy to mitigate, don't speed.
 
Just thought of something. When we get carriers, imagine if they could outside dock to a station like a capital ship, but players can also land on the ship. Then when the the carrier is docked, we get access to all station services. Then we just let the carrier jump between stations, problem solved.
 
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