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ALGOMATIC

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Which is it? 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3? What about fights at CGs that just emerge? The bar keeps moving back and forth depending on who's trying to place it.
And this is also coming from players that consider station ganking "just part of the game."

If the fight is FAS/FDS/FGS/FDL/clipper/vulture VS FAS/FDS/FGS/FDL/clipper/vulture with both started out at 100%, doesnt matter who started it, you stay and fight till death.

Mind you, we are talking about 1 v 1, not a gank.
 

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If the fight is FAS/FDS/FGS/FDL/clipper/vulture VS FAS/FDS/FGS/FDL/clipper/vulture with both started out at 100%, doesnt matter who started it, you stay and fight till death.

Mind you, we are talking about 1 v 1, not a gank.
Again, that bar shifts...continously.
It is regularly used as a shamer, when someone high wakes out of an emerged fight at a cg for example.

If you arrange a fight, ofcourse it's silly to high wake. You basically set yourself up for a duel, and ran. To put it up there with clogging though (calling it a cheat), that's a tad much imho.
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
Again, that bar shifts...continously.
It is regularly used as a shamer, when someone high wakes out of an emerged fight at a cg for example.

If you arrange a fight, ofcourse it's silly to high wake. You basically set yourself up for a duel, and ran. To put it up there with clogging though (calling it a cheat), that's a tad much imho.

Its not a cheat, but as I said it will be held against you.
 
I just use fa-off and gracefully glide in for my landings. The station should vaporize you for hitting the tower. It's far worse than simply loitering, after all..

I promise to stop when they introduce spacelegs if there's someone standing there waving their arms about helpfully, or maybe innocent bystanders.

You're implying I'm a dirty combat logger? Let's not be nasty, SpongeBob.

Besides, my shields will be fine.

But Zaphod I thought you concluded it was all just my shaky connection how could it possibly be clogging, besides which you keep saying you happily use exploits.

Have at it, but I'm beginning to think your combat logging gankers are of the imaginary variety..

Naming and shaming is wrong m'kay.

You don't get to determine what is OK and what is not OK to do in the game. .

Yes I do, I am the ultimate authority and get to judge absolutely everyone and nobody else gets to have any input in that. Anyone who fails my personal extremely draconian version of the Wheatons law test is fair game for a blocking, no appeal no parole and a life sentence.

No. My block list is empty, and I plan for it to stay that way..

Why play with people you don't enjoy playing with ?.

Spam is spam, sir spamalot..

And being ignored for timewasting is being ignored for timewasting.


FDEV's response to SDC:
ZacAntonaci_FrontierHead of Communications 36 points 11 months ago Hey /u/Jonticles,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
First of all, I would like to take a moment to assure you that combat logging is against the rules and it’s something that we actively review and action on a regular basis. We have internal processes which we follow to ensure that the reviews are dealt with in a fair and thorough way. We use a number of data points and telemetry to help guide our decision and every report is treated on a case by case basis. There are a number of factors included in that process but we don’t share details of how we action rule breakers as this would give people an advantage in circumventing those checks, should someone be inclined to do so.
However, after looking into the reports that you’ve highlighted here and taking a moment to review them in more detail I can confirm that on this occasion we didn’t follow the processes that we set out and subsequently these reports were not actioned. While we don’t tend to talk about individual reports (even ones like this) we feel that it’s important to give you an open, honest and transparent answer to your post. I must stress that this is absolutely not typical of our standard review and reporting process and this mistake was completely unintentional.
I would like to apologise for the error and thank you for bringing it to our attention. By doing so you’ve helped us to review and make improvements to our existing process which lets us deliver the best possible support for our community.
I also want to add though that reports are still very important to us. We have hundreds of thousands of Commanders playing and while cheating and rule breaking is very small within the Elite Dangerous community it is still something that we do review and take very seriously. Please do continue to submit reports of rule breaking with as much detail as possible and we will endeavour to review these and take action where needed.

Bonus DBOBE comment:
TheCodePRTruthful PR - Player kill count Over 9000 19 points 1 year ago Hello David,
Huge fan.
So what are your really short term plans to prevent combat logging?
Code PR

[–]DavidBrabenCEO & Founder 29 points 1 year ago

It is something we are looking at. The whole thing is a difficult subject; one thing is clear is it is against the rules, and customer services do look at it, and we do take action.
We continue to explore better ways of addressing combat logging, but I have nothing to announce here.

That's a finely crafted example of non-committal customer relations speak of the "we are very interested even though we behave like we are not, thanks for telling us" variety.

The important thing is it made you feel better, even though nothing has changed or is likely to.
 
So high wakes and low wakes are sooo different? Remember, one takes longer than the other, besides, the third vid has a high wake...

The entire point was we don't highwake, you link videos where we are both outnumbered, kick the other guys and lowwake in the face of overwhelming odds, your third video isn't even SDC...
 
Oh, I see. The game you want is called Star Citizen.

Star citizen is a scam. You know there's a ten year plan for ED including plans for space legs at some point ?, maybe you missed it when you impulse bought EVE with a cockpit and got all disappointed.

Now, I know you won't rise to the challenge of a 1v1, but that's OK. You keep implying that I am a cheat though, which really isn't.

You are in SDC I got KOS listed by SDC for starting the blocking thread according to it's members. Yet when I told the SDC members who said they were looking for me where I was and what I was flying they suddenly lost interest.

Is this another challenge that fizzles out as soon as I agree ?.

None of the game play in which I have engaged has been defined as a cheat or exploit by FDEV, no matter how much you might wish it was.

I thought you said you'd been spanking cash exploits.

Then don't post your list. It was your idea, not mine. It would be pointless anyway, as you can't preemptively block anyone you haven't met in-game (unless someone is willing to accept unsolicited friend requests from people they've never seen).

I've never suggested posting a list here, I've also said repeatedly I only block cheats and griefers. Gankers don't get blocked.

As we are only allowed one forum account per individual, you should be ashamed of yourself, Zarek.

Who ?.

Why do you condone cheating?

Source your quotes.

So now Zac Antonaci is a liar? I thought it was very nice of him to take the time out of his day to respond at all!

He's paid to be nice to customers.

Whenever I've been in a public facing role there's always a comedy board of shame for the serial crazy complainers, you have to be discreet with them nowadays but they still exist. I'd pop SDC's stuff straight on it.

SDC, while maintaining a very high level of visibility, is actually quite a small group. You might even call it exclusive. What would make you think that reports from such a small number of individuals couldn't be accidentally overlooked by an operation with the size and scope of Frontier Developments?

I don't think it's accidental I think they got bored of being deluged with "WAAAAAH CLOGGING" when it obviously wasn't, and auto delete everything.

Anyway, your point about time wasting is utterly laughable. Elite Dangerous is the biggest single waster of time in the history of video games! I, for one, have wasted more than 1700 hours of my life playing this game, and I plan to waste much more of it doing the same. How many hours of your life has this game consumed?

You missed the point I meant SDC/griefers are wasters of FDEV's time.
 
Ha! *High waking is bad and should be considered close to cheating, mmkay. Low waking however is 100% triple checked to be cool [up]*

Okay, now we're just getting silly in my opinion. Arbitrarily selected and ever changing gentlemen's rules concerning non-broken mechanics have no place in the wild west of Open. That stuff has its place in pre-arranged and/or agreed upon engagements. Random fights in Open however; everybody is free to adhere to their own personal codes of conduct at their own leisure outside of cheating of course.
 
Content providers are hardly a waste of time for FDev.

What's the logic of this game?

Asps in Front of Things?

Also Ziggy, please add me to your Ignore list too.

Geez…
 
It may end up that way, or it may not. It does, however, have "space legs". It's quite fun for where it currently sits. You should try it if you haven't yet. I have a perfectly good Hornet I could sell you. ;)

I'm not in the market for a jpeg, not even a knock down price second hand one.

Technically, I'm not *in* SDC, and have barely had the opportunity to hang out with them in months. I still love what they do.

But no... while I don't know if or when you actually tried to arrange a fight with SDC, I'll honor whatever agreement we might come up with, even if I end up losing. My CMDR name is the same as my forum name. You can send me a friend request at any time, just let me know in advance if your CMDR isn't Stigbob. I don't accept unsolicited friend requests from people not on my contact list.

Ditto and ditto.

I get my credits in whatever way works best. You call it cheating, but I call it doing the obvious. I waste a lot of time in the game doing things I don't like, but I'll never feel bad for doing those things more efficiently whenever possible.

Combat logging is arguably the most obvious and efficient method of avoiding a rebuy, there's no difference between it and Quince it's all about exploiting for the space-cash.

We were talking about reddit... have you been drinking Bob?

Hic

The Overlord of Eravate, of course. Perhaps you're only an aspiring minion.

The overlord, how could I have forgotten.

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These are all from this thread.

I asked you to source your claim that I was condoning clogging, you've responded with a selection of my posts that have the word clogging in them but none of them condone it. I just refuse to regard it as any worse (or even equal) to many other exploits such as get rich quick schemes.

Ahh. I think I get it now. You've worked for companies who forced you to lie, so now you think all companies lie to their customers. Got it.

I'm a realist.

Nah. I get your point, but I think you're really just angry because nobody in SDC got banned for the engineering exploit.

Let it go, man.

I don't care about the cheating, I just block them and the problem is solved. What I dislike is the year SDC and the 13th spent lecturing legit players that they should git-gud whilst cheating. It's unworthy, like exploiting.
 
The entire point was we don't highwake, you link videos where we are both outnumbered, kick the other guys and lowwake in the face of overwhelming odds, your third video isn't even SDC...

Are you blind or what? The videos I linked are 1vs1 except the last one in which it’s 1vs4 in favour of SDC. Also, in those scenarios you guys are the ones who lose so I don’t see why lie TBH.

All the videos have SDC members low waking or high waking.
 
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ALGOMATIC

Banned
Ok. I sent the friend request to you rather than waiting.

We'll have to coordinate probably, as there would seem to be an ocean between us. I'll be on Friday night after 7 - 8 pm EST, and can jump on most any time on Saturday. See you whenever! :cool:

Is it a duel?
Post vids
 
I'm not sure it's increased at all - once every other month or so is about what I've always had to do. I just put it down to Windows doing something in the background or the planets being misaligned or something.
Windows or antivirus, etc, can cause lag, freeze or disconnects. But, freezes have been on the rise recently. Since 2.4 deployed, I've had to kill mine at the TM a few times too. In all fairness, for me it could be anything. It's a long way to send/recieve across turf-n-surf, so I expect problems. FD's connections are still a damn sight better than BugPoint by a long shot. I can't complain about that.
 
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