Why the hate for playing in open?

[verminstar]

Nope I never had a problem on PC, just PS4, the majority are more mature on PC.

And yet as a multi platform gamer, I’ve been ganked numerous times on pc but not even once on consoles with the vast majority of inane behaviour on pc.

Funny that don’t ye think?

In saying that, my pc account was my primary account that I learned...the hard way...how to play the game. Which is why I’ve never been caught on my secondary console account...morons on all platforms let’s not make this another console v pc affair...it’s not and the problems are shared on all platforms ^

 

[ModishNouns]

Would I rather them play in open? Sure, I believe it helps the games staying powe, especially on the PS4. Plus, in my opinion it allows for more variation in game play activities and incidents that take place.

games that have the staying power that last longer tend to have a better more inclusive multiplayer aspect.

I completely agree that playing with others adds variation and interest to a game, but that is as true of PvE / co-op as it is of PvP.

I love playing this game and would hate to see it impacted because it didn't have the support it needed from the player base. I doubt very much that would happen on PC, but sales on PS4 were below expectations and that could have an impact down the road.

I hope all game modes continue to thrive but you can't make people like what they don't like and the people who enjoy Open are already playing in Open.

I take your point about antagonism towards Open in the forums. Perhaps some people have had bad experiences and see threads like this as an opportunity to vent.

It might help to try and see things from other people's perspective. You can't just dismiss sending someone to the rebuy screen with a wave of the hand because you have no idea what led them to be at that place at that time. They might be carrying tens of millions of credits of exploration data after two months in the "black" in a paper thin exploration vessel with no hope of defending themselves. They are not going to appreciate the "GIT GUD LOL" sentiment.

 

[Curvemn17]

That's exactly why I started this thread. I was about frustrated when I made the first post so I didn't word it correctly, but i posed the question so I could understand why people had this disdain. Gong through the thread reveals what I believe to be a reason why this sentiment exists. I was unaware of how much cross contribution on the forums took place by the different platforms. I hadn't ventured out of the PS4 forum so I didn't realize all the threads about open play and what kind of decisiveness existed surrounding that mode. Why the first thread I visited on the PC forum was about a new add on that warns about griefers and the emotions that stirred up about open was more than I expected. I wasn't trying to convince people to play open, but to understand what had led them to avoid it. I also brought up the arguments I did so that we could avoid those because those seem to always be what people clamor with.

As for the exploration and I discussed that with a poster a few pages back it was something I hadn't considered. I completely understand that and if I were exploring I would totally play solo as well. That would be enough to break the game if that happened lol. Really I just wanted to understand where this animosity came from, what had led to that. For me if I'm trading or just cruising the bubble in general I believe open is the only way for me. I understand playing solo, but some people seem to be of the opinion only griefers and PvP junkies play open which I would say whole heartedly I am neither of those.

 

[xondk]

I'd like some input here as someone who exclusively plays in open. I constantly read while perusing the forums people stating they only play solo or PG and that they won't even bother with open. What's the deal? Are people that afraid of losing their ship and ending back at the rebuy? I get dropping to solo if you can't get a parking spot at a CG or something like that, but to completely ignore he entire galaxy out there seems to go against what this game means.

See the whole thing about people 'hating' to play open is really really subjective. Let alone that on a forum where not every single player chimes in, you only hear a certain selection of players, which can make certain things seem bigger then they are.

That said though most I know that avoid open is because of bad experiences with other people, the various trigger happy groups that will blow up people without any other reason then seeing their pixels explode.
Which I really can't fault them for, even if my experience with meeting such people has been very limited.

In the end it comes down to people's attitudes towards games and other players in those games, and certain attitudes just aren't compatible with others, and since people can play in solo/group and not really lose out on anything of the game, why should they play and risk interaction with people they find obnoxious? Its part of open, sure, but you do not need to play with open, and the often used words against people that don't want to play in open, only seems to confirm that there are obnoxious people.
Though this is part of online play in my book, and again I've not really had any issues with such, I get why people don't see a reason to play with those.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

Uh...the hate usually goes the other way. People who play in Open and want to experience the full game, hate people who play in PG and Solo because they reap all the benefits without any of the risk.

That said, I've played exclusively in Open since day one and have never been attacked by another player. A lot of the Solo/PG player's fears are totally unfounded or stem from a single isolated experience.

How many times must one be killed before one could justifyably choose to no longer play in open. An explorer who has spent months, gathering data would say once is too often. You have been lucky, perhaps at some point after it happens once or a dozen times, you will change your mind also. Some of us choose the option that gurantee's "ONCE" won't ever happen. NPC's are not pychotic, that's a human trait, and thus the farther I can get from them (humans) the longer I'll enjoy not getting griefed by humans who are pychotic.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

Nope I never had a problem on PC, just PS4, the majority are more mature on PC.

I can't figure out how you can say that it happens less on a pc vs a concole when open includes both platforms. One can see your ship and know your cmdr name. But there is no indication as to what platform your on when they attack. So your reference to it happens less on a pc is dumbfounding.

 

[Curvemn17]

How many times must one be killed before one could justifyably choose to no longer play in open. An explorer who has spent months, gathering data would say once is too often. You have been lucky, perhaps at some point after it happens once or a dozen times, you will change your mind also. Some of us choose the option that gurantee's "ONCE" won't ever happen. NPC's are not pychotic, that's a human trait, and thus the farther I can get from them (humans) the longer I'll enjoy not getting griefed by humans who are pychotic.

Completely agree with what you're saying. From an exploration standpoint this makes total sense. For me as it is exploration holds no value or incentive for my play style. I compare it to the two movie genres Star Trek and Star Wars. I'm a huge fan of both, but for me to explore I would want a trek style where I have interactions with other species and prime directive type decisions that impact the game for me and possibly the BGS for other players that visit that species after I have left. As for how this game is now, it lets me live my Star Wars legacy dreams. I can be a rogue, an outlaw who makes his own rules within the bubble. I look at open as more of a PvE style than a PvP. I believe FD attempted to fix the PvP with CqC but it failed because people want to fly their own ships they have worked so hard to get. My understanding and I have not tried it so I can't make any judgements on it, is that CqC is only for the small fighter craft.
The exploration part seems to be a common theme which must mean that explorers are the ones having the largest issues with griefers which would make sense why there would be such disdain for playing in open. After all spending all that time in the black and returning to make your money just to lose it all as I said earlier would be enough for me to break the game and not return.

 

[stormyuk]

I can't figure out how you can say that it happens less on a pc vs a concole when open includes both platforms. One can see your ship and know your cmdr name. But there is no indication as to what platform your on when they attack. So your reference to it happens less on a pc is dumbfounding.

Errrr the game is not crossplatform. If someone attacks you while you are playing on PS4, they are on PS4, if they attack you while you are playing on PC, they are on PC. Only the universe and BGS is common.

 

[verminstar]

As an explorer who has lost 4 months of scan data in less than ten seconds, I can confirm there will absolutely not be a second time...not while solo exists.

There’s not a single argument or insult on this or any forum that can change that perspective.

Bottom line being that the only reason open players don’t want players in solo or pg is because it means less fer them to shoot at.

By and large that’s where most of the animosity rests *

 

[Harry Hates Golf]

Well to be blunt as you say, if you're responding to the topic at hand then yes you should provide a reason as that was the question posed. Why even other responding if you don't feel the need to answer the question. And no, I wasn't satisfied with the reasons I found so I posed the question on the PS4 forum as that's how I was introduced to the game and the community in which I play it.

Thanks for ringing in with your two cents

You're welcome, I'm glad you appreciate my "two cents", although I believe I overpaid with my response to your valuable question.

 

[Curvemn17]

You're welcome, I'm glad you appreciate my "two cents", although I believe I overpaid with my response to your valuable question.

Whelp it's too late as your valuable contribution has already been deposited in my coffer and I don't see a need to return it. Please take your complaints up with customer service, tho I presume they won't be any more appeasing.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

I don't get the comparison to playing on a pc vs a console when it comes to griefing or what ever other lable one want to associate to one being pychotic. There are no idicators as to which format one is on when determining to gacking some one for any reason let alone griefing.

Though I'll on occasion board hop from Mobius to solo. Because of my play style which doesn't include the likes of other humans in my endevors, sometime forget to switch back to Mobius. Tis ironic how a non profit group like Mobius can have but one rule that must be adhered to at all times regardless and is actually enforced by players and moderators, but FDev with all their resources can not implement the same rule. Which if you don't know is: "Don't spoil another player's game".

I'd concur that if anything, FDev should eliminate the ability to board hop by making one reboot the game. I mean what is the purpose of it anyway. Except to avoid being killed by what one deems a griefer or other such word describing a pychotic player. Mobius player will seek out and destroy any violaters and if not succesful, there's always the moderators who can if found guility by a group of one peers, deleted from the group entirely. Yes, one can sneak back in under a different profile, but eventually one will run out of profiles thus have to start a new one. Thus subsequently give reason to stop, the endevors to interupt the status quote involved in playing in Mobius or other such groups. With the exception of griefing which I am using as a generical term, feel free to employ your own, which whom are determined by breaking the ONE rule that Mobius has incorperated, which is don't spoil another player's game; there is no difference in the entire game.

One can do everything and anything one can do outside of Mobius, where as the one rule doesn't apply. Which is extremly appealing to any one who's ever been or not want to ever be griefed. It's ironic how the impementation of one simple rule that is strickly enforced makes such a significate difference in ones enjoyment of the game. Unless of course, one is a pycho. Then it doesn't matter which mode there in. Killing for no purpose but kicks and giggles is by any stretch of the word, pychotic. And to infiltrated a groupe like Mobius with the knowledge of the one rule with the intention of deliberate non compliance is by any stretch of the word, being pychotic.

 

[SH4RK-B1TE]

Errrr the game is not crossplatform. If someone attacks you while you are playing on PS4, they are on PS4, if they attack you while you are playing on PC, they are on PC. Only the universe and BGS is common.

@Nemo This ^^^^^^^

I’m dumbfounded that you even thought for all this time we were playing with PC and Xbox players.

 

[Han Zulu]

Counter question:

Why do we see posts (frequency varies, but they do keep cropping up) from Open players asking why more people don't play Open. Surely all the people who want to play in Open are playing in Open. What's the problem?

I don't recall a single post (by all means, link me) from someone asking "Why don't more people play Solo?" or "Why don't you play in a private group?"

I've asked the very same question in another thread. And I got some answers that were irrelevant in my opinion. The only real answer I can think of is that there's a shortage of players in PvP, and some of these threads are meant to draw more targets to Open. (Not saying this thread was meant like that, but other threads really do look like fishing)

Someone suggested that the game is bleeding players and it's doing so because players find the game boring since they can't play in Open and are forced to play in Solo and can't socialize. So to save the game from collapse, there's a need to get players into open. I'm not sure this argument is valid. We can't prove well enough the game is bleeding players, but even if it was, I doubt it's because of Open vs Solo issue but rather a content and difficulty level. It is a rather difficult game to get into. And after you've played 1-2000 hours, you kind'a done most of it.

Victim shortage.

I do think some threads are exactly for that reason. Trying to net in more fish for the barrel. But I don't think this thread is one of those, but many others most likely are.

As an explorer who has lost 4 months of scan data in less than ten seconds, I can confirm there will absolutely not be a second time...not while solo exists.

There’s not a single argument or insult on this or any forum that can change that perspective.

Bottom line being that the only reason open players don’t want players in solo or pg is because it means less fer them to shoot at.

By and large that’s where most of the animosity rests *

I probably post 50 posts trying to say the same thing that you said in four sentences.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

@Nemo This ^^^^^^^

I’m dumbfounded that you even thought for all this time we were playing with PC and Xbox players.

Oh, that's right, never mind, my bad.

Ok, the platforms don't matter, the issue still is an issue. How is it a private group can impement a rule and enforce it, but FDev can not. It would be an easy peasy fix, simply inact the rule, and enforcement by groups such as cg's or by moderators whom have the power and upon proven guilt deletes the offenders. Or completly stop the ability to board hop, which doesn't really serve any purpose anyways. Doing that would cause the eventuallity of one wanting to break the one rule, by having to use any and all of ones possible profiles and cause them to eventually start all over from scratch with new ones. Which only the dedicated pychotic would do based on their game play. Some player's for what ever reason choose to become griefers at some point in the game. Other's will start from the beginning with griefing as a goal. I use the term griefing as a generic term.

 

[Han Zulu]

More as two years in Open (PC) in the bubble. I was killed once for newbie mistake, then few more times due pilot error and once due hardware failure. All those sayings how is Open certain death and that everywhere waiting griefers are fairy tale only. Safe play in open is about in-game knowledge and about proper preparations when you want go to the area where are expected possible "unfriendly" cmdrs. Cmdr which use to playing in Open is self deciding how much dangerous and adrenaline want have during his play session and be also prepared that his plans may need change due other cmdrs. In short: Open is more fun

Question: could it be due to (looking at your signature image from Inara) that you're mostly play combat and are equipped for combat in most cases? Other players see that you're elite with a combat ready ship, they think twice. Me, coming in a exploration fitted ship, and not Elite rank in combat, easy target.

 

[ModishNouns]

The problem seems to be that Open is fading in popularity and its proponents believe that it is losing players due to an unfair perception of its dangers.

That could be true. Maybe Open has a perception problem, but it's for its proponents to fix. I'm not sure that coming to the forums with "Are you all scared?" is really the way to do it and things like Harry Potter sniping Ed's stream don't help.

Open PR problem? Okay. Fix it.

 

[Curvemn17]

Question: could it be due to (looking at your signature image from Inara) that you're mostly play combat and are equipped for combat in most cases? Other players see that you're elite with a combat ready ship, they think twice. Me, coming in a exploration fitted ship, and not Elite rank in combat, easy target.

You very well may be on to something. But are you able to see a players ranks just by locking on to them and scanning them? I know you see their overal rank but doesn't that include trading, exploring, and combat? I think the consensus is that explorers should mainly stick to PG/solo. As for the griefing community that seems to be a larger issue on the PC. Not to downplay that some on PS4 haven't had that issue but in general based on the comments here it seems to be those on just the PS4 platform have had less interactions of these sort.

 

[Han Zulu]

You very well may be on to something. But are you able to see a players ranks just by locking on to them and scanning them? I know you see their overal rank but doesn't that include trading, exploring, and combat?

Hmm.. Not sure. How is the overall rank calculated? I thought what shows is the combat rank.

I think the consensus is that explorers should mainly stick to PG/solo. As for the griefing community that seems to be a larger issue on the PC. Not to downplay that some on PS4 haven't had that issue but in general based on the comments here it seems to be those on just the PS4 platform have had less interactions of these sort.

Yup.

And I actually have played in Open with a trading ship at times, and a passenger ship, and been fine actually. Had to switch to Solo to exist/enter some station though, because the beluga can get stuck in the mailslot, and once or twice someone came from under my ship and pushed me up. I managed to get wiggle out anyway.

 

[Curvemn17]

Hmm.. Not sure. How is the overall rank calculated? I thought what shows is the combat rank.


Yup.

And I actually have played in Open with a trading ship at times, and a passenger ship, and been fine actually. Had to switch to Solo to exist/enter some station though, because the beluga can get stuck in the mailslot, and once or twice someone came from under my ship and pushed me up. I managed to get wiggle out anyway.

Haha I just bought a Beluga and took it pirating NPCs. It's actually really fun to fly, but I was really nervous as I dropped to silent running and launched heat sinks going through the slot. I could just see myself getting caught without shields and exploding.

As for the rank I don't know. But I don't believe it just displays combat rank because there will be lawless and what not displayed and I'm not aware of that being a combat rank. I believe it is the pilots federation rank I have heard of and I thought that was a combined rank that averages out your rank in the main three.