You're weird,indigo.
OK NPC Ramming OUT-OF-CONTROL At This Point, anybody home at FDev?
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You're weird,indigo.
How can't anyone at Frontier replicate it? This happens pretty much every time you fly near a station. Heck it happens in RES sites too, literally anytime an NPC goes to scan you, you run a huge risk of getting rammed into. To replicate it all you really have to do is play the game and it will happen. :S
I feel your pain. I suspect most of us do. I was also frustrated when I read that FD couldn't replicate the problem. But it's what I've come to expect. I've read that line several times in the past on other obvious bugs. After a while, you stop submitting or adding to bug reports and just plug along as well as you can.
Apathy cures frustration. Embrace it.
I too tried to pretend it wasn't as bad as it was in 2.3 after engaging the docking computer in my Beluga to land at a planet base, however I still lost numerous ships to the raining skimmers. It was a rather expensive 'Tempest in a Tea Cup' for me.
I believe this current issue is different altogether as it relates to the behaviour of the System Authority ships wanting to fly in front of you while scanning and if you are speeding then you have an increased chance of hitting them and get fined. One could say that it is your own fault, however I would still say that the behaviour of the System Authority ships should probably be reviewed as they are also most likely not engaging in safe flying practices.
This does work at stations, I've found that watching my scanner has become priority on leaving a station, once any blips are to the side(none in front) I can boost away and it takes them long enough to react that they're unable to catch up.
Unfortunately this not the same in RES, some stupid pirate doing a runner rams into you while running, blows up, and you're the one that becomes wanted, I've also had ships drop out of super cruise smack in front of my own ship, not a biggy in a high maneuvering ship, but in something like a cutter, you're pretty much guaranteed to collide with them unless you're standing still.
I get scan rammed every day in my Corvette. FD saying they can't repro it is pretty daft, they need to terminate the QA staffers looking into it and hire some more competent. I can repro this issue all day long.
Very much this^^^
It's especially annoying when you are BHing in a Res in an Imperial Fighter (which has practically zero shield and hull) and these ramming pirate (and even police) guys instakill you in their being oh-so desperate to scan you.
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I think it either happens only for certain player ships - probably *slow* ships.
When I was flying Python I never had issues with NPC scanners. In fact, they never actually managed to scan me - and I wasn't even boosting, just flying at (engineered) speeds.
When I switched to Anaconda, I immediately started having issues with very aggressively NPCs sticking close and sometimes bumping into it resulting in fine (already on way out far away from maillot preparing for jump). Also they rammed it several times even when using docking computer.
Or maybe it happens in certain stations - not sure. I was using Anaconda for passengers and been to different stations I normally do with Python.
Maybe that's why FDev "can't repro" it - because they are not repro-ing in proper conditions.
When I was flying Python I never had issues with NPC scanners. In fact, they never actually managed to scan me - and I wasn't even boosting, just flying at (engineered) speeds.
When I switched to Anaconda, I immediately started having issues with very aggressively NPCs sticking close and sometimes bumping into it resulting in fine (already on way out far away from maillot preparing for jump). Also they rammed it several times even when using docking computer.
Or maybe it happens in certain stations - not sure. I was using Anaconda for passengers and been to different stations I normally do with Python.
Maybe that's why FDev "can't repro" it - because they are not repro-ing in proper conditions.
I would not call the Imperial Fighter a particularly "slow ship".
Also, forget about stations - it happens everywhere, for instance in Res sites. It has nothing to do with the speed limit around stations, it's about scanning NPCs flying towards your ship furiously at a ridiculous speed, without being able (or bothering) to slow down in time.
Well, for whatever reason it *never* happens when I fly my Python - and in the res sites never happens too.
When I fly my (trader) Anaconda it very often happens near stations (I don't take it to RES sites).
There must be some other factors in play which cause the difference.
I've never noticed a ship (authority, Bounty H, pirate) charging towards me when scanning. When they are scanning me, they are flying in a parallel course to me, with their nose pointed towards my ship. Watch your scanner at this time (and don't change direction) - when you get scanned, you'll see another ship's marker remain in the exact same spot in the scanner while the markers of other ships move about normally. When the NPC finishes scanning (and I get a message from them such as "You're clean, commander"), that's when scan 'n ram seems to occur. If you're going "too fast" (for whatever speed "too fast" means in whatever context) when they finish their scan, they charge at you. If you're not going "too fast", they fly off in some other direction.
I can't comment about NPC behaviour in RES sites - I haven't personally seen this issue there, because I haven't been in a RES site in a while.
Death by suicide npc is one of the worst ways to die. I honestly don't think this has happened to me once though. I often fly over 100m/s towards station, if I get someone scanning me I drop a heat sink if I'm wanted or smuggling, but I've never recalled a situation where this has happened. I hate to be that guy but maybe you should kill your engine when dropping to normal space and pick a straight line approach to the station. The few wipers that run in front of me don't stop to let me ram them, so either there's some crappy bug going on or maybe it's an issue with instancing. Ie rubberbanding.
Like, don't speed.
The Npc captains in action
I has absolutely nothing to do with speeding.
It has - collisions happen when you're speeding.
NPCs flying dangerously close needs tweak, but it is not 'falling skimmers' type of issue.
Since I don't fly anything bigger and slower than a FAS very often, I really don't give a crap about how authority NPCs behave around a station. About 99.99 % of the time I will have landed and finished with all the necessary repairs/refueling/whatever and will be happily browsing the mission board by the time they could finish the scan.
But it can be more of a problem (for me) in a Res site. Not game-breaking, just annoying.
You can recognize a potential scanning NPC from miles away, as they point the nose of their ship right at you, approaching at a relatively high speed. They begin to scan you when they get close enough, but they just keep coming, without slowing down (or adapting to your speed in any other way). The only difference your own velocity will make is that if it has the slightest component pointing towards the incoming ship (sometimes as low as 20 m/s), then most of the time you'll have to strafe using your lateral thrusters in order to avoid collision.
And I never experienced it before to 2.4, that's why I suspect it to be a new bug(let).