Brace yourself. FD now using "legitimate" tactic for stretching the "thargoid narrative content" over time even more.

[Ozric]

Don't talk to me man. I just encountered the Generation Ship Atlas .. and heard the No Brakes, ship logs ..

Tom was so brave! <sniff> Maybe humanity isn't so bad after all, I'm going to do a Aegis CG.

Those Thargs better not threaten Tom and Jean's son or they'll have me to answer to!

Poor Tom...

That was a really good one, not enough to make me want to help Aegis though I'm afriad

 

[Lightspeed]

I think you must have read a different OP, because that was certainly not his point.

I think you have not read his title

 

[Winterwalker]

That was a really good one, not enough to make me want to help Aegis though I'm afriad

You .... heartless wench!

 

[Ozric]

I think you have not read his title

The title implies that the CG is somehow being used to stretch out the narrative content. The outcome of the CG will have no impact on the pace/length of the narrative content, only the direction the story will travel in.

The main part of his post infers something different anyway.

 

[Iskariot]

I haven't fought a single Thargoid yet and really don't know what this guy is on about.
Who loves CGs these days? Who need them? Or, who cares about the ones who do?

I like CG's but I don't massacre aliens who are not at all aggressive unless provoked.
I still feel the pewpew crowd might be attacking the wrong ones (and I hope this will have consequences for those cmdrs).
Their current observable behaviour does not warrant a killing spree.
When they become an actual threat, then I will reconsider.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

I'm much angrier at the fact that FD put new content behind CGs. We are not their damn employees, yet we're expected to work for new content release ? I bought a game, not a job, and I'm not even getting paid for the work. Enough is enough.

 

[Sylveria]

I'm much angrier at the fact that FD put new content behind CGs. We are not their damn employees, yet we're expected to work for new content release ? I bought a game, not a job, and I'm not even getting paid for the work. Enough is enough.

Nothing forcing you to participate.

 

[shadow133]

I think you must have read a different OP, because that was certainly not his point.



Frontier have always honoured when players decisions have gone against what they already had designed.



Ah well if you had noticed over the last month or so the forum has been paying up and so every single post has the word Moderator under our name. You'll notice that our signature still displays to show we're talking as players (just as it always has done). If you think it's a massive issue then talk to Brett about it, you're not the only one who wishes that word didn't appear there.

Also, want to answer my question?



No I asked where the proof that it meant people were ignoring the narrative. Also using steamcharts to try and define active players is just crazy. Let alone the fact you're excluding a large part of the PC player base, you are also entirely discounting console/mac players.

Steam charts is the only stats I found, and it is not crazy, its just a smaller sample than the population, that is what statistics is. Nonetheless, I suppose the number of players is much higher given there are consoles now and many people, me included, don’t use steam. But I doubt people at these platforms are more active. I think the drop is real, and anyone would be crazy to dismiss it. I think its pretty obvious many people are frustrated and find the latest turn of events uninteresting, or perhaps too slow.

 

[Ozric]

I think the drop is real, and anyone would be crazy to dismiss it.

Only FD know what the actual numbers are. For anyone else is just conjecture, or in some peoples hands, scare mongering.

I think its pretty obvious many people are frustrated and find the latest turn of events uninteresting, or perhaps too slow.

I don't disagree with that at all, but to try and assume it's a sizable section of the playerbase is once again pure conjecture.

 

[Sylveria]

And that's the biggest problem with trying to use "data" from anyone but FD directly (for which we have NONE, because they don't publish it)

Unless you have actual data from FD, you don't have the whole picture, but rather a small portion which can also be easily manipulated or spun to taste.

 

[jasonbarron]

Only FD know what the actual numbers are. For anyone else is just conjecture, or in some peoples hands, scare mongering.



I don't disagree with that at all, but to try and assume it's a sizable section of the playerbase is once again pure conjecture.

We don't have access to "Fdev's numbers" obviously (I love how this always gets thrown out to try and win a point), but with only 280 contributors in the CG we do have a solid estimate as to who cares about this particular round of gameplay: hardly anybody.

 

[Sylveria]

We don't have access to "Fdev's numbers" obviously (I love how this always gets thrown out to try and win a point), but with only 280 contributors in the CG we do have a solid estimate as to who cares about this particular round of gameplay: hardly anybody.

But you don't have an overall number of players to compare it to- which is the problem.

It's like all the threads and posts about PvP vs PvE, Open vs Solo, or anything of that nature. Unless you have an absolute number to compare something to, it matters not what you're trying to compare. Sure you can say there's 280 contributors (currently) but you don't know how many others are playing (total) that aren't participating, yes?

 

[Ozric]

We don't have access to "Fdev's numbers" obviously (I love how this always gets thrown out to try and win a point), but with only 280 contributors in the CG we do have a solid estimate as to who cares about this particular round of gameplay: hardly anybody.

Perhaps you could explain to me how you know that means that only 280 people "care" about this CG? What do you mean by "care"? I asked earlier, but I'll ask again, can you not even imagine that there are people who have reasons for abstaining from the CG, either because they do not want to attack a Thargoid, or they do not want to help Aegis?

These CGs were always going to have low numbers because of what they involve, same with all of the Thargoid combat related CGs.

 

[Achibot]

But you don't have an overall number of players to compare it to- which is the problem.

It's like all the threads and posts about PvP vs PvE, Open vs Solo, or anything of that nature. Unless you have an absolute number to compare something to, it matters not what you're trying to compare. Sure you can say there's 280 contributors (currently) but you don't know how many others are playing (total) that aren't participating, yes?

Why can you not compare it to the participation levels of other CG's?

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

I talked to a few people, it is a common misconception that you need to kill the thargoids to get the tissue. Those who can and want to kill them tend to do just that, whereas those who want a more peaceful CG apparantly dont know it exist. Its a valid point of criticism: FD failed to properly explain how these new modules work, and what their point is.



If tier1 succeeds, it will appear only at planetary military bases. Else maybe only at Brestla/Shinrarta?

talk to a few more who are actually trying to make this CG succeed, or at least reach a point where a progress is visible.
you will hear that the peacfull way to gather the samples is partially bugged or requires you even more specialised tactics then the combat one.

FD failed to explain the whole thing to begin with...

 

[Sylveria]

Why can you not compare it to the participation levels of other CG's?

Because that still only gives you a comparison of players that chose to participate for the others... still only limited numbers.

Sure, you *can* do that- but what does it really tell you? If I personally only played 50% of them, that still only gives you limited data, no?

Basically what I'm trying to say is that there are way too many "variables" and not a clear enough overall picture.

 

[Ozric]

Why can you not compare it to the participation levels of other CG's?

Because they're completely different, much harder, require specialised equipment, are (realistically) only available to people who have Horizons. Just a few to get you started, plus my points above.

talk to a few more who are actually trying to make this CG succeed, or at least reach a point where a progress is visible.
you will hear that the peacfull way to gather the samples is partially bugged or requires you even more specialised tactics then the combat one.

FD failed to explain the whole thing to begin with...

Peaceful? There is no peaceful way to help with this CG.

 

[jasonbarron]

Perhaps you could explain to me how you know that means that only 280 people "care" about this CG? What do you mean by "care"? I asked earlier, but I'll ask again, can you not even imagine that there are people who have reasons for abstaining from the CG, either because they do not want to attack a Thargoid, or they do not want to help Aegis?

This sure seems to be my week for arguing with people who want to hide behind pedantry. Ozric, if you think 280 direct contributors and some incalculable number of players admiring the situation from afar amounts to stellar gameplay, then I'm not sure how to make my point with you in a way that you're going to comprehend. As far as I'm concerned it shows quite clearly that out of the entire body of ED players hardly anybody care's enough to take part in the Thargoid storyline. And if that lack of involvement doesn't seem like a problem to you or anybody else, that just may be why we are we are in terms of gameplay development.

 

[Achibot]

Because that still only gives you a comparison of players that chose to participate for the others... still only limited numbers.

Sure, you *can* do that- but what does it really tell you? If I personally only played 50% of them, that still only gives you limited data, no?

Basically what I'm trying to say is that there are way too many "variables" and not a clear enough overall picture.

All information is limited, no-one can ever know everything about anything. And while that comparison is far from definitive, it is a strong indicator of their relative popularity.

 

[Sylveria]

All information is limited, no-one can ever know everything about anything. And while that comparison is far from definitive, it is a strong indicator of their relative popularity.

That's all I am trying to point out.

As far as the second point- strong indication isn't always reliable data.