Star Citizen Discussions v7

[Zyll Goliat]

you goon, you get lots of corporate videos don't you?

...[yesnod][yesnod][yesnod]...
Yeah I make those when it was FUN to fight against the big lying"TITAN".....lately other "main stream" people start doing that...Now I almost feel srry for CIG [sad].....

 

[Cosmo]

Again, if CIG could make it go away with money...why not do so before now? Shares and co-ownership are also only worthwhile if you believe the company has a future.

It does happen in other sectors such as the music industry. Some record labels haven't paid their artists for a long time or only a percentage of what's owed. Then when they get a lawsuit, they deliberately drag it along for as long as possible to delay paying anything. Meanwhile, those artist are still signed to the record label or can't release another album until its resolved.

And as the worst case is that CIG loses the engine and assets, will they then be able to switch to Lumberyard? Depends on how far that injunction goes. Problem is that they will have also lost of their custom code, and will have had to pay CryTek millions on top of lawyers fees.

Yes that would be costly for CIG. Even if CIG can afford a financial settlement, if they lose their assets and stuff made with CryEngine, that's a major blow and also hurts confidence of the backers in CIG to deliver the game. If they need to remake all those assets in a new engine then Star Citizen will not be released for at least another 3 years.

That isn't improving an engine so much as adding functionality needed JUST for your game and ONLY your game and which is of limited, if any, use elsewhere. One could even argue the transition to 64 bit wasn't an improvement because there are few games which need that degree of precision. And most of those get-by developing their own engines.

I disagree, it opens a lot of new possibilties. The CryEngine was much more limited, also other game developers could use it if they licensed it, but it's not clear if it's their engine.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Good article on Kotaku, i think a balanced view as well: https://kotaku.com/crytek-sues-star-citizen-makers-for-breaching-contract-1821269577

Comments amusing as well.

Not dug deep, so no idea if Joe Blobbers has jumped in yet.

 

[hunvagy]

Good article on Kotaku, i think a balanced view as well: https://kotaku.com/crytek-sues-star-citizen-makers-for-breaching-contract-1821269577

Comments amusing as well.

Not dug deep, so no idea if Joe Blobbers has jumped in yet.

Dang, wanted to post that myself. Some of the comments were hillarious indeed. What got me is that apparently CryTek is only asking for like 75k, so if CIG goes to court over that, is that out of pride, or other reasons. Who knows.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Dang, wanted to post that myself. Some of the comments were hillarious indeed. What got me is that apparently CryTek is only asking for like 75k, so if CIG goes to court over that, is that out of pride, or other reasons. Who knows.

Apparently it has been established that seeking damages of $75k is the minimum threshold to get it into Federal Court in the USA. Crytek will be wanting a lot more than that.

 

[ianw]

Dang, wanted to post that myself. Some of the comments were hillarious indeed. What got me is that apparently CryTek is only asking for like 75k, so if CIG goes to court over that, is that out of pride, or other reasons. Who knows.

That's the bit I don't get.

If this could all go away for $75k surely that's less than the hit to funding this negative publicity will cause? I mean $75k is a couple of average days on the tracker isn't it?

ETA - the post that snuck in just above this appears to have addressed my question

 

[DLewth]

Good article on Kotaku, i think a balanced view as well: https://kotaku.com/crytek-sues-star-citizen-makers-for-breaching-contract-1821269577

Comments amusing as well.

Not dug deep, so no idea if Joe Blobbers has jumped in yet.

He jumped in the MMORPG.com thread, but.. not as enthusiastic as normal.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Unfortunately, you don't get to walk away from a contract just because the other party is broke. Because (waves hands in a legal manner).

Edit: on my phone but Asp might the cable video to hand. It's painfully funny.

Basically this. It seems CIG has same defence as their backers LOL - "but you where dying so we moved on".

It is just funny to read about armchair lawyering from armchair game developers.

Also Cosmo, stop looking for exit for SC in this situation. There's none. SC is done for and has been done for for very long time. There's no miracle game to provide you all. It is long, hard work releasing game piece by piece by some developer who actually knows how to do it.

 

[DLewth]

That's the bit I don't get.

If this could all go away for $75k surely that's less than the hit to funding this negative publicity will cause? I mean $75k is a couple of average days on the tracker isn't it?

ETA - the post that snuck in just above this appears to have addressed my question

$75k is the large playroom. it's 28 U.S. Code § 1332 so get your big boy pants on.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

So it's confirmed now by legal filing that the whole Kickstarter campaign was based on a big fat lie, that Chris Roberts developed a game (prototype) for a year (supposedly costing 3 million dollars, which CR retro-actively paid himself at the $23m milestone), while actually CryTek provided a techdemo at their own cost?

It that turns out true, Star Citizen was a big fat scam right from the start.

Fact that CryTek produced KS demo has been known for long time, also fact that Chris shopped around for partners - because he had zero experience and money to actually create anything - since 2011.

It all basically boils down to....he knows jack backside.

 

[Taimaru]

So if it ends up that CIG lose their assets and stuff made with CryEngine does that mean the next release of Star Citizen will be Alpha 1.0 (again)? [haha]

 

[kilvenny]

One thing I noticed that nobody has commented on is that Ortwin is ex Crytek and CIG after the contract was signed then employed the one of the Crytek legal guys. There is an obvious question to consider as to whether there is anything suspicious there. Was the friendship or job offer used to secure a contract that was beneficial to CIG.

The other thing that strikes me about this case is that the points made aren't even subtle and there is enough variety for a rather compelling picture to be framed.

The only reason I can think this has reached this stage is that CIG think they have a water tight defence or cannot afford what Crytek are asking for behind the scenes.

 

[n4p0l3on]

Fact that CryTek produced KS demo has been known for long time,

How so? Any proof?

 

[ianw]

He jumped in the MMORPG.com thread, but.. not as enthusiastic as normal.

This must be his greatest challenge to date - so many comment sections to hit today - he's just one guy!

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

One thing I noticed that nobody has commented on is that Ortwin is ex Crytek and CIG after the contract was signed then employed the one of the Crytek legal guys. There is an obvious question to consider as to whether there is anything suspicious there. Was the friendship or job offer used to secure a contract that was beneficial to CIG.

The other thing that strikes me about this case is that the points made aren't even subtle and there is enough variety for a rather compelling picture to be framed.

The only reason I can think this has reached this stage is that CIG think they have a water tight defence or cannot afford what Crytek are asking for behind the scenes.

What CryTek is saying that Ortwin was used to exploit their weakness regarding CryTek contracts and that's why he got hired away from CryTek.

If they are able to prove this, it will be very damning.

How so? Any proof?

Besides CryTek saying it in court documents? Lots of them, but I am not gonna chase it down for you.

How did you think Chris got that shiny AAA demo? He did not have any such money at that point.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I am actually sadly surprised that so many people are surprised Chris is actually a con. Whole project setup reeks of that. It's inception with trying steal spotlight from ED, using fake demos to claim it is actual game which needs 1 year work.... it's all there.

Seriously guys, impartiality is one thing, but sometimes in history there are actual bad guys and good guys.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

So - it is beyond comprehension why CIG didn't settle this before now. Unless, as I said before, they either can't pay or have a strong defence.

Or they I as suspect don't have actual lawyers listen to (sorry, owner is biased), so basically they just wing it.

And most likely they don't have spare money to spend without going fully in bankruptcy.

 

[1500]

here is a blast from the past. Created by Ben Perry, showing how CIG had not switched to LY, and instead just switched licenses.

 

[n4p0l3on]

Besides CryTek saying it in court documents? Lots of them, but I am not gonna chase it down for you.

How did you think Chris got that shiny AAA demo? He did not have any such money at that point.

No proof other than this crytek legal claim, so in this case the original poster was right, this is another new revelation of the scam, not something that was well known for a long time.

 

[hunvagy]

Apparently it has been established that seeking damages of $75k is the minimum threshold to get it into Federal Court in the USA. Crytek will be wanting a lot more than that.

Ah I see, it's the invitation to the dance in a manner of speaking then. I go get some popcorn. Anyone else want something while this blows over?

EDIT: From a certain point of view, it's like this for December 2017: EA goes "Look guys, we can sour the pot for everyone just with SW" and then CIG goes.. "Hold my beer"