Could Aisling Duval not be who we think she is? (A fringe logic discovery from lore)

[Han_Zen]

Where did you get this lore info?

And reminder folks that it could also be that she's not related to Heigts Duval. (any takers of that scenario?)

Some sources:
Meet the powers
https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/55b220919657ba113ae7daa3

The Reign of Emperor Hengist Duval
https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/55c475ef9657ba00210d630e

The FFE Journals(search for Harald/Harry and Eccy)
http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/

The last one is not necessarily lore anymore.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

…How was Aisling Duval born?

As the illegitimate child of the Emperor. Therefore the pregnancy wasn't treated the way it would have been if it was a legitimate pregnancy.

Same with the Arisa (the current Emperor).

No logic problems, no need for mental gymnastics about gene-manipulation or sex or anything else. Just two woman who should, according to imperial tradition, never become Emperor - because they where woman and had no real claim for the throne.
But there was no heir and therefore the powerful people in the Empire selected one they thought would be easy to manipulate.

That's the problem of the Empire - their last Emperor was weak and declared his only heir as unsuitable for the throne. By doing this he broke the family line, he broke imperial tradition and he didn't even try to get a suitable heir.

 

[krylite]

I've and many others have visited that beacon. I think it's pretty clear cut. The restriction being phased out would more likely mean the line could have progeny male or female without any tampering, but the trend was to pass down the throne by male succession until recently with ALD.

imo, the empire would be far more conservative and traditional about gender identity. It's more likely the liberal segment of the Federation, the Alliance, or certain independent minor factions could be societies that tolerate or have transgender/gay officials of power. While some extreme dictatorships could be draconian and cull any sign of deviancy like certain dictatorships today.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

If this theory is true, some players are going to have to reevaluate their relationship with their waifu!

 

[Sentenza]

It looks quite clear to me too. Genetic female prevention came from Henson Duval's own hatred of women. Once he was safely dead, his saner successors quietly got rid of that idiocy. They just maintained male lineage.

 

[Starbreaker]

Henson?

So the Empire is the Muppet Show, Pigs in Space.

 

[Bob McBobblehead]

You got it all wrong. While Aisling Duval's father was human, her mother was a Thargoid. Genetic manipulation was used on the fetus to make her look like a normal human. This information is highly classified in the Empire.

 

[Achilles7]

Suddenly 'The Da Vinci Code' looks like credible, coherent detective work [blah]

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I can't help, but I find the whole Empire lore in itself silly. And kinda hard to believe. And I usually have a high tolerance for stories that make little sense.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

I can't help, but I find the whole Empire lore in itself silly. And kinda hard to believe. And I usually have a high tolerance for stories that make little sense.

I'm interested to hear how they went from Federation-hating, peace-loving space-hippies .. to .. you know .. an empire with legal slavery virtually overnight ..

 

[Rubbernuke]

With enough guns and pointy sticks you can do anything quickly.

 

[Olivia Vespera]

I'm interested to hear how they went from Federation-hating, peace-loving space-hippies .. to .. you know .. an empire with legal slavery virtually overnight ..

Likely wasn't an overnight thing but through conceited effort through several generations. people in this world live forever with Heingst being the 15th Emperor.

Potentially, it's been 1500 years since the start of the Empire. maybe more.

Edit: okay I had a look at the elite dangerous wiki and it seems the empire has been around for no more than 982 years...

With that in mind, the average reign for emperors appear to be 65.4 years.

Edit2: in fact~

There seems to be a decreasing trend in the lifespan of the emperor, with most emperor being on the throne for at least 50 years.

An emperor that has a long reign on the throne is usually followed by one that has a relatively short one.
If they're lucky, they're followed by an emperor who has a roughly equal reign as them.

What is going on here? Is the empire getting more stressful to manage as it attains power?

Explore the data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...k_Qw/pubchart?oid=46717274&format=interactive

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

I don't mean to offend but...

Wouldn't adding transsexual and homosexual to the game be purely for political correctnes? It's like they add black and asian people to movies about medival England now. I think ED doesn't need that nonsense. Some NPCs in mission/passenger menus don't look particularly straight already.

Dunno, but as long as lore doesn't prevent that I am not sure which gender some of the mugs on the pics actually are. Some are so freaky colorful strange they could be anything even genderless or some weird disguised aliens.
Especially wit the full mixture of cultures and political systems in ED there would surely be places where transgenders and whatever we can imagine would find a proper home. But it is to doubt that a leader of an empire would be like this, strict rules keep things usually very traditional and mainstream.

 

[Rob At Work]

She is a clone, and eventually will replace one of the 'Club'.

That is simply not true, (s)he has never even worked in a Circus!

 

[kofeyh]

She (Aisling) has pink hair and pink was considered rather masculine early last century. Let’s face it. She carries the changes well.

Fortunately my waifu is ALD. It seems there are some folks that might need to re-evaluate their husbando relationship. Or more corectly, their husbando is actually their waifu.

I don’t judge. Love is love.



Also are people getting confused between the emperor Arissa Lavigny-Duval, and Aisling Duval? Only one has pink hair and potentially fluid gender.

 

[Han_Zen]

Likely wasn't an overnight thing but through conceited effort through several generations. people in this world live forever with Heingst being the 15th Emperor.

Potentially, it's been 1500 years since the start of the Empire. maybe more.

Edit: okay I had a look at the elite dangerous wiki and it seems the empire has been around for no more than 982 years...

With that in mind, the average reign for emperors appear to be 65.4 years.

Edit2: in fact~

https://i.imgur.com/wmAjDX1.png

There seems to be a decreasing trend in the lifespan of the emperor, with most emperor being on the throne for at least 50 years.

An emperor that has a long reign on the throne is usually followed by one that has a relatively short one.
If they're lucky, they're followed by an emperor who has a roughly equal reign as them.

What is going on here? Is the empire getting more stressful to manage as it attains power?

Explore the data here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...k_Qw/pubchart?oid=46717274&format=interactive

A short reign does not mean a short life. If your father dies young or you are born when he is old, you have a good chance of a long reign.

Look at prince Charles. He may live to be a hundred, but he has no chance of a long reign. If he gets hit by a buss tomorrow, William has good chance.

 

[Olivia Vespera]

A short reign does not mean a short life. If your father dies young or you are born when he is old, you have a good chance of a long reign.

Look at prince Charles. He may live to be a hundred, but he has no chance of a long reign. If he gets hit by a buss tomorrow, William has good chance.

Good point! I feel like this here can be its own thread. would be nice to know how old they were when they died.

Anyways. back to topic... The empire had 1000 years to develop to the way it is.

As to Aisling Duval and her interesting birth circumstances I think it may be clear that this may be hopeful... but would love FDEV to say~

 

[nosleepdemon]

I'd be more inclined to believe AD had gender dysphoria if the developers were snow flakes, for example if this were Guild Wars 2. But I don't get that vibe at all, and there are plenty of reasonable explanations elsewhere in this thread. Sorry not sorry OP, you are barking up the wrong political tree.

 

[kofeyh]

I'd be more inclined to believe AD had gender dysphoria if the developers were snow flakes, for example if this were Guild Wars 2. But I don't get that vibe at all, and there are plenty of reasonable explanations elsewhere in this thread. Sorry not sorry OP, you are barking up the wrong political tree.

To be fair, and embracing my inner raging realist; if anything, my hunch is AD’s gender doesn’t even register for Frontier as something they would necessarily actually have as some sort of gender fluid conundrum. Anything that suggests it might, is as easily explained by “why are you using frontier and consistency in the same sentence” and as such, quirks would simply be a lack of continuity.

That said; the notion that rather a lot of AD’s white knights are potentially about to experience an existential crises, does actually strike me as ridiculously hysterical, which given this week’s unhinging, is quite something.

Tend to think it’s the former. But I’d love it to be the latter.

 

[Olivia Vespera]

No logic problems, no need for mental gymnastics about gene-manipulation or sex or anything else. Just two woman who should, according to imperial tradition, never become Emperor - because they where woman and had no real claim for the throne.
But there was no heir and therefore the powerful people in the Empire selected one they thought would be easy to manipulate.

That's the problem of the Empire - their last Emperor was weak and declared his only heir as unsuitable for the throne. By doing this he broke the family line, he broke imperial tradition and he didn't even try to get a suitable heir.

I really like this. thanks for adding your thoughts to this...Though what makes you think that Aisling is illegitimate?