Disney bought Lucas Arts including the Star Wars franchise for about $4 billion. Then they changed things and screwed up The Last Jedi (which has the lowest fan reviews of all Star Wars movies). The Last Jedi had the biggest drop in revenue of all movie sequels in history. It flopped in China. Tons of Star Wars merchandise of TFA and TLJ is still unsold after being on store shelves for months.
It's like asking George Lucas about the lore of Star Wars. Before George sold Star Wars, and mistakenly thought Disney would respect the original trilogy and established lore, George Lucas was THE authority on Star Wars lore.
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You don't think that the Ruins might have a purpose other than telling us about them? In fact, perhaps they're not supposed to be a data bank for us to see at all...
Perhaps, if a race knew their time was up and if their biological manipulation technology was sufficiently advanced, they could've built machines with the ability to resurrect their race (when the threat was over) and imprint their entire race's knowledge into the brains of the resulting creatures.
The Thargoid structures appear to be making new Thargoids. Why couldn't the Guardians do the same?
The Guardians stuff is like archaeology of the Dinosaurs. These species lived more than 200 million years ago. We can uncover and learn more about them, but the original dinosaurs won't come back. We might be able to genetically manipulate chicken eggs to make them look like dinosaurs. That's not the same as a continuous surviving species.
If the Guardians somehow survived, that would be weird given the aforementioned things. Most likely it's something in space that the Guardians created (robots, organisms). I doubt the Thargoids were created by the Guardians, because Thargoids are said to originate from another galaxy or spatial dimension.
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So...you 100% know that the Ruins are just a database, yes? Mind telling me how you know this?
In any case, my point is that they don't have to be a continuously-surviving species in order to suddenly pop back onto the map. They just have to have found a way to jump from their time to ours.
Hell, there was a lot of misinformation put out by FDev back when the Unknown Artefacts were first discovered. Remember when they said that the UAs were "very, very old - like thousands of years old"? Or that they looked possibly human in origin? What's to say that DB was only telling us what's currently believed, just like then?
Finally, there has to be a reason that the Thargoid structures destroy Guardian tech on sight, when they largely ignore humans (who, arguably, present more of a threat than some inanimate objects). The Guardian tech must pose some sort of existential threat to them...and that's a question that will probably be answered in the next update.
From the Guardians mission we get two clues that there might be surviving Guardians from History 17 and 21 we get the following in a spoiler tag in case you want to discover them yourself from the Ram tah guardian mission.
History 17: According to this data, the Guardians’ homeworld served as a powerbase for this new religious order, which eventually succeeded in ostracizing or exiling all of its opponents. I can find no other reference to these exiles in the historical record. This development should have resulted in peace, but a further division arose over the fate of the AIs. At that time, the AIs were virtual entities, and so were reliant on the monolith network to exist. Because this made them vulnerable, they searched for a way to achieve independence from the network. Their research aroused the fear of the abolitionists, who used violent methods to prevent the AIs from achieving independence, and even to combat those Guardians who accepted the AIs.
History 21: This data describes details about the Guardians second civil war. The war raged for over a hundred years, and Guardian populations fell dramatically during this time. Fertility rates dropped due to increased radiation levels and because the Guardians considered it blasphemous to use technology to address a biological issue. Eventually, one of the competing forces triumphed, but by that point, all the Guardians other than those who had been exiled a century earlier were dying.
Its not 100% confirmed that the exiles survived all this time but it does also not confirm that they died out just that they where exiled.
If you want to read up on the guardian history but don't want to do the mission here is a link to cannons page on it. https://canonn.science/codex/guardians-data-history/
You can read all the lore here https://canonn.science/tag/guardians-data/ . The ruins are monoliths of an interstellar network that the Guardians used throughout their civilization.
If they allow that sort of shenanigans, then Genghis Khan could suddenly reappear in 3304 and change the course of human history. Time travel, doesn't sound very scientific to me and can screw up lore.
Such a clear statement that they went extinct 2 million years ago is a solid confirmation. Maybe Braben changed his mind so that a few Guardians survived and colonized another region of the galaxy. I just find that unlikely. So the Allegiance option to the Guardians would be a successor, one of the Guardians' creations who perhaps identify as Guardians even though they are not the original Guardians.
Yes, I'm aware of that, but like I said, Braben himself stated they went extinct 1 or 2 million years ago. A lot can happen in a century so in 1 to 2 million years the chances of a species killing itself increases exponentially.
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I know all this, but you still cannot make the statement because there is in game evidence to suggest otherwise.
You're taking his statement to be absolute truth, but you can hardly expect him to say "they're extinct" while winking suggestively at the camera.
Put simply, in game we cannot say for definite.
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Yes, I've read the whole lot. None of it suggests that no Guardians survived. In fact, the very existence of such data suggests that they may very well have - after all, somebody had to write it.
In fact, in support of my hypothesis, you might want to read Biology 1 again...
"The extracted data relates to individuals rather than their species as a whole, but thanks to the information you have transmitted, I believe I will be able to merge the data to create a general picture."
Why on earth would they have stored data on individuals' biology?
I didn't mean time travel. I meant a way for a species to become dormant and return to the galaxy eons later.
Braben has made a number of "clear" statements which have turned out to be misdirection, particularly in the early days of this story arc. Consider the fact that we've believed many species to be extinct on this planet alone, only to discover that they're not.
I also read it and Braben himself said they went extinct 1 to 2 million years ago. We can go in circles about it, but if the creator (and owner) of Elite said something is like that then it's like that.
Maybe he changed his mind since that interview. We'll see.
False, if the creator and owner of Elite says something is so and so then that is how it is. There was no correction about that interview either since it was released.
March 10, 2017 isn't early. All of the lore that officially came from Frontier or via GalNet is established and won't change.
Relates to individuals in sense about individual Guardians. The biology data doesn't describe their late history and demise.
Well where is the lore that they went dormant? There's no information that the Guardians were an intergalactic species. I think they only lived in the Milky Way.
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Good lord, man...are you deliberately twisting yourself in knots just to miss my point?
I never said that the biology data describes their late history. I specifically said that it contains information on individuals, which is what would be needed if they were to do what I originally hypothesised, which is to resurrect their race by some form of genetic reconstruction and then fill those clones' memories with the memories of their race.
Regarding the "if Braben says it's so, it's so" - if all of the in-game human knowledge at the time of that video said that they were extinct but there's a story coming down the line which shows they're not...do you honestly believe he's going to spoil the story by telling everyone a year or more before it happens?
Hell, if there's a possibility of a race with highly advanced biological manipulation technology resurrecting their species through cloning long after they were thought to be extinct, he'd actually be telling the truth - they are currently extinct, but the monolith network (and/or something else they've built for the job) could start chucking out clones of Guardian individuals at any point. Which is my whole hypothesis.
Therefore, it wouldn't even contradict the statement that you're holding up as absolute proof that it's apparently impossible.
I know that. My point is the biological data doesn't describe the final period of the Guardians civilization.
They are a species. You shouldn't confuse the word race with species.
We have information about Dinosaurs, but we can't resurrect them, because DNA doesn't survive that long.
I do think it's plausible that a successor of the original Guardians survived and we'll encounter them in-game.
If he didn't want to spoil anything he wouldn't have said they went extinct in the interview. What could have happened is he changed his mind so that the Guardians could return.
Sighs, you can't ressurect yourself when you and your whole species is gone and the DNA becomes unusable.
They could make a story how some of the exiled Guardians survived. It's entirely possible. As for now I'll believe what Braben said, that they are extinct until proven otherwise.
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The other option is an evolution into something new. That would still constitute the Guardians being extinct.
Just for clarity, I’m not talking about ‘natural’ evolution of the Guardian species as a whole here. I’m talking about taking what had already started happening to the exiles and extrapolating.
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English is my first language. It probably isn't yours. You're too high on Onionhead to think logically.
Also your misuse of the word "race" with "species" says enough about your language skills LOL!
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By the way check this:
History 19: This data describes details about the Guardians second civil war. The war raged for many years and eventually destroyed the Guardians’ habitats, forcing them to retreat into ‘sacred’ domes protected by powerful shields. Eventually even the domes were destroyed, or their shields failed, and ultimately the population died out. Their predilection for expending resources on honouring the dead – a key tenet of their religion – only served to accelerate their extinction. Records indicate some variation in the nature of this devastation, most obviously at sites consisting of multiple domes. In these locations it appears the inner domes were destroyed later than the outer ones, as indicated by the slightly lower radiation signatures in the inner areas. I can only surmise that the attackers returned, after an initial assault, to finish the job.
https://canonn.science/codex/guardians-data-history/
Right, there are a few possibilities:
1. The original Guardians are extinct (see Braben interview of Pax 2017) and History entry 19.
2. Some Guardians survived, went into exile. See History entry 21.
3. The remnants of the Guardians survived: their machines, AI and organisms.
A Guardians resurrection by the Monolith Network or their AI is highly improbable imo after 1 to 2 million years.
History 19: This data describes details about the Guardians second civil war. The war raged for many years and eventually destroyed the Guardians’ habitats, forcing them to retreat into ‘sacred’ domes protected by powerful shields. Eventually even the domes were destroyed, or their shields failed, and ultimately the population died out. Their predilection for expending resources on honouring the dead – a key tenet of their religion – only served to accelerate their extinction. Records indicate some variation in the nature of this devastation, most obviously at sites consisting of multiple domes. In these locations it appears the inner domes were destroyed later than the outer ones, as indicated by the slightly lower radiation signatures in the inner areas. I can only surmise that the attackers returned, after an initial assault, to finish the job.
https://canonn.science/codex/guardians-data-history/
Right, there are a few possibilities:
1. The original Guardians are extinct (see Braben interview of Pax 2017) and History entry 19.
2. Some Guardians survived, went into exile. See History entry 21.
3. The remnants of the Guardians survived: their machines, AI and organisms.
A Guardians resurrection by the Monolith Network or their AI is highly improbable imo after 1 to 2 million years.
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Also your misuse of the word "race" with "species" says enough about your language skills LOL!
Couldn't resist this one...this is just plain foolish. Look up the definition of "race" -
"It has been used as a higher rank than strain, with several strains making up one race. Various definitions exist. Races may be genetically distinct populations of individuals within the same species, or they may be defined in other ways, e.g. geographically, or physiologically."
By this definition, two distinct races of Guardians existed - the ones who modified themselves with the AI implants, and the ones who remained pure. Hence my use of the term.
I can't resist responding to your foolishness.
From the Oxford dictionary:
Species.
Biology. a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g. Homo sapiens.
Race.
each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics: people of all races, colours, and creeds.
The Guardians with the implants were cyborgs. Race is not a term used for cyborgs afaik. They were distinct from the natural Guardians who shunned it. Guardians as a group of living organisms are a species.
The Thargoid Klaxians and Oresrians could be two races.
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