Not enough victims
And that says someone who constantly tells stories about the virtues of anything but Open to those who want to play in Open! And then they talk about the ability to understand and jealousy. Collective hypocrisy on the march.
Many tell stories of why THEY themselves do not want to go into Open, some share experiences they had. Yes some think it is nothing but a cesspool, a hive of scum and villainy, yet few say never go into Open, they do say go in with knowledge of what may happen when in there and be prepared. As for being "someone who constantly tells stories about the virtues of anything but Open to those who want to play in open"... I find that comment funny since all the "virtues" and such were said in response mainly to those from Open who view PVErs as "carebears" and such, tell stories of Solo and PGs as super secret coordinated sadistic groups that work constantly to undermine Open and paint pictures of how "easy" and crap non Open modes are. So if you want to talk about hypocrisy... look in the mirror. But keep making things up though... maybe one day you will say something truthful
"My mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones. But there are!"
Several Lee-Enfields.... including a No.4 (T) Sniper
They mostly come at night, mostly...
Several Lee-Enfields.... including a No.4 (T) Sniper
I was lucky to have to pleasure to fire both an Lee-Enfield and an M1 Garand. Loved both
No I don't want to talk about your looking in the mirror making things up, this obviously doesn't work. I'm just happy that your kind is being tightly confined in a private group so I don't have to listen to this junk also in my game.
That's good because that was never what was said.. just more twisted words and made up stuff by you, anything else you want to try? ^,^
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Look "buddy", I've wanted to skip over this, but I see you keep accusing me of lying and making things up here. The thing is, just check who brought the "carebears" and "super secret coordinated sadistic groups that work constantly to undermine Open and paint pictures of how "easy" and crap non Open modes are" argument here first. Look in both these threads carefully. Does it tell you something indicative? There is no mentioning of "carebears" or "undermining of Open" (the BGS stuff I guess) there at all. Not sure about "easy" and I even might admit that my humor talk about non Open modes is of bad humor kind, though I've never said they are "crap" and didn't see others say that. This is solely your talk. Add your dismissive, pretentiously arrogant attitude to this, and... it just makes another occurrence of a common fun on the internet. Feel free to leave the final word with you. I don't care about this stuff, so don't suppose I'll read that or any of your highly interesting and insightful posts for that matter. Cheers!
You come here, being disrespectful and insulting of people who don't play open mode, you lie about how nice open is (experiences vary from person to person) and you want to get uppity when we don't buy your nonsense.
Wow, just wow.
You just go after your "buddy" right away. Cheers!
You do understand it's the attitude you show on here that puts people off from playing open right?
New folks come along, see just how nasty you are and don't want to put up with that in game.
You are your own worst enemy.
What you have posted in this thread alone will stop more people playing open than any story, video or example I could ever give.
Well, puts off all but the most antisocial of them, at least.
Damnit Jockey, stop that- you're going to make them change tactics, and we'll have to repeat facts and all that over and over again.
I rather enjoy having them do all the work for us, TYVM.
Goose4291
Banned
For me, as a predominately PvE player who flies in Open, there's a few parts to the issue.
Firstly, there's the stuff that Mobius SHOULDN'T be doing. Like Spying on PvP groups, harassing people out of game on sites such as LinkedIn and bringing ingame computer drama out into the real world, such as questioning a players ability to be a Nurse, because they PvP. Particularly when it and it's administration team try to paint themselves as holier than though and an innocent victim. It's a hypocrisy I really cannot stand.
Then, there's the issue that a lot of the Mobius advocates on this forum were among those who promoted combat logging, which is just cheating. As I've said countless times before, I can't stand cheating.
Thirdly, it's the thorny issue of indirect PvP (Powerplay/BGS wars). Before we get into the usual 'different timezones/platforms/connection issues' excuses being carted out, to sum it up succinctly, the deliberate thowing up of a player made wall to avoid reciprocity while kicking over another's sandcastle to me as a player, doesn't feel right and was a serious cause of toxicity for player groups (which I don't like to see, as its usually the strength of the player group communities that keep games like this alive) from the start and feels like an oversight by the Development team (one which they tried to partially plug with Powerplay, until every unshielded type 9 pilot started throwing their shoes at Sandro for suggesting 'open incentives' for it).
Finally, the odd need for Mobius advocates to declare any good story to come out of open or just a general discussion on open, as being written by a 'SDC/griefer/CODE shill trying to lure people into their killing grounds' and that 'they don't care, open is dead' while filling those threads up with ridiculous off-topic nonsense.
As to your first point re: Mobius- that's not a specific Mobius problem, that's an individual problem. I've seen plenty of harassment (doxing, etc.) in and out of game from both sides of the fence. It's intolerable either way- and I strongly denounce such behavior, personally. Attributing behavior to an entire group of people due to the actions of a few is the biggest example of generalization you can display. The same could be said for the actions of a few in the PvP and the generalization entire community as a whole, sure... but also that works in reverse as well. (calling PvE'ers "carebears" and the like) Stopping generalization is rather simple- it starts with yourself.
Cheating- I can't stand it, either. I don't cheat, nor do I stand by others who do. Never understood the point in engaging in a game and then cheating- you might as well not even play to begin with.
BGS/PP - I don't engage in it because I have a "choice", the point is we ALL don't have a choice, and that's by FD's design, not the players'. It (BGS) was designed to be influenced in ALL modes, regardless of game play style. PP is different- and I have NOT opted into PP (by personal choice) not only because it seems rather pointless to me as a whole, but also because personally it really doesn't hold my interest in the slightest.
As to the story discussions... there's no stopping them either way. People will do what they do. Again, it doesn't have anything to do with an entire group of people- we see individual whinge threads on this forum daily, as well as strategically placed ones by some groups who know fully well what their intent is. (you know what I'm talking about here, no need to explain it)
At the end of the day- all of us are really individuals who choose to play a game for our own reasons... some of us just share solidarity in certain views and respects. I don't hold an entire group of people responsible for an individuals mistakes, but I will certainly call someone out who openly displays hostility on an individual level... you betcha.
Let's look at some of these parts shall we;
For a start, not everything you've listed is "Mobius" players. Constantly blaming those who play in the Mobius PG is unfair.
That would be like me saying everyone who plays open is a PvP griefer - including you. You wouldn't like it.
So you may want to chill out with the broad brush, it paints both ways.
You want to complain about "spying"... like when some PvP/Griefer groups lied to join the Mobius group to keep an eye on them, and to break the group rules by forcing PvP.
As far as I can tell, what goes around comes around on that issue.
For the R/L stuff with Linked In etc. - this is the first I've heard about that. But again it is not restricted to Mobius PG people.
I was in a few Facebook Groups and seen plenty of R/L abuse come from PvP advocates towards PvE players.
Either way it is not cool, and that is an issue with individuals and a matter for the Police.
I've seen plenty of independent pilots promote combat logging, which is wrong but then again I've also seen PvP'ers accuse those who use the 15 seconds timer of combat logging as well.
So there are plenty of people at fault on both sides of this. Not all cases of combat logging are that - sometimes it's just a false accusation.
Which also has the issue of that Reddit thread where real and false accusations spill over in to real life. Plenty of blame on both sides there.
And you want to talk about people commenting on good stories about open, when griefers shout down, complain or try to get complaints about open locked?
Don't get me wrong, if someone goes to open and gets killed I don't want to see them crying on the forums over it - it's their own fault for playing open.
But people posting "I was in open and it's great" posts are just as bad. Open isn't the nightmare some think it is, but it's not all unicorns either.
It's a nice illustration though. You complain about people trying to get players into private groups. Most of the threads here are about trying to get players into Open. Tactics used on both range from promotional to dishonest. Some will try to paint Open as a dangerous psycho show, others attack the character of those who play in private groups. Fact of the matter is, there's nothing wrong with promoting the mode you enjoy most. If someone has a bad experience in Open, there's nothing wrong with suggesting a private group as an alternative. Similarly there's nothing wrong with trying to get those who play private groups into Open by giving tips on how to avoid encounters and such.
It's also a nice illustration that those who complain people always bring up Mobius are the ones who bring up Mobius most often.
Bottomline is actually quite simple. There is no sort/kind/type of player you can use as a template for whatever mode you're talking about. Players play the way they do for many various reasons. Anyone who uses: Solo players are ..., Open players are ..., PG players are ...., as well as the PvEers are ..., PvPers are .... can be dismissed instantly.
In the end you summed it up quite nicely
No exclusions.