Been a few years now, and Elite still feels like an empty shell.

[Godsailsaqueen]

I dunno so much.

I think the devotion to what could arguably be regarded as the "Elite Genre" is often dismissed and under rated on these boards. If a player puts a thousand hours in and then comments as has the OP, it should add weight to the argument, not less.

I can empathise. My love for the "Institution that is Elite" and the time investment I've made over the last 30 years is still waiting to be satiated in the current incarnation. A thousand hours is nothing in that context, and to be so inclined to undermine that experience is somewhat counterproductive to the debate.

Personally, I've probably put as many hours into ED as I once did into Elite. Do I still look fondly back on the experience I had in it's entirety 30 years ago...oh yes. Will I look back fondly on my "ED days" in 30 years from now?

Will I ****

I can get that - and sure, Elite is actually alone in its genre, so people can join the ship while not entirely liking its colour.

But on the 1000 hours part, it's all about measure. Yes, it adds weight to suggestions such as some of the points he made.
But it is entirely counterproductive on the "empty shell" part, IMO.

I don't play empty shells. My time is too valuable for that. I see depth in Elite for my liking, even though it's not rewarded as much as it should be. Or maybe I'm still in denial. but if one spends willingly and consciouly 1000 hours (close to 1 hour every day of your life since 3 years) on what one deems to be an empty shell, I don't know. Don't want to pass judgement but eh, that feels quite bizarre to me.

 

[Genus]

As I said, I could go on and on... but the point remains the same. One does have to wonder how someone else measures "value" when they've sunk 2,000 hours into something that cost them less than perhaps even their monthly Cable TV bill by way of comparison. The list is endless, to be sure.

Well it ends, when RoE goes negative for a meaningful number of players.

Putting RoI at risk, which is measurable.




Like the wine glass.

 

[Genus]

Or maybe I'm still in denial

Aren't we all?

but if one spends willingly and consciously 1000 hours (close to 1 hour every day of your life since 3 years) on what one deems to be an empty shell, I don't know. Don't want to pass judgement but eh, that feels quite bizarre to me.

*chuckles*

Braben always was good at dealing in addiction. Just right now, the code's being cut with bad Java.

 

[Roybe]

No i agree with you mate, my argument is that it should never have been implemented in the first place, i know full well it wont change now and even if they offered i'd say its too late because you cannot take that out once in.

What im holding out hope for is depth.

I disagree, the idea is a brilliant way to offer cross platform compatibility to all platforms. Everyone on any given platform, PC, console, or Mac...has equal input into the galaxy, through whatever action they desire to take...except direct PVP. And that should be ok because PVP is more intrinsically rewarding and doesn't need to be plugged into the game for anything other than that.


If we are talking honestly here, all we ever will get is 'more'. More variety in text, more mission types, more ships, more 'things to do'. But the problem this game will always have for people is that they will see it as 'more of the same'....because the only way this game works is that all PVP will be based on PVE trophy collection. The game feels like a 'spreadsheet game', because that is all it is....one huge spreadsheet that everyone changes numbers in...and every 24 hours, the spreadsheet reports back to the players what they did.

 

[Sylveria]

Well it ends, when RoE goes negative for a meaningful number of players.

Putting RoI at risk, which is measurable.

Like the wine glass.

Now you've done it. You have me waxing philosophical in regard to Life being like a wine glass. DOH!

Glass half-full or half-empty?

Well, unless it's located in a vacuum it's always "full" of something- even if half-filled with liquid.

Then again. the latest scientific research also suggest that not even the vacuum may be "empty", it could have "dark matter" present...

 

[Genus]

Now you've done it. You have me waxing philosophical in regard to Life being like a wine glass. DOH!

I love it when a plan comes together.

Glass half-full or half-empty?

The container is not necessarily fit-for-purpose.

Well, unless it's located in a vacuum it's always "full" of something- even if half-filled with liquid.

It is in a vacuum, tightly sealed...and we're the hot air in the glass.

 

[Adhock]

The OP wanted to give some feedback to the devs. That's literally one of the main reasons these forums even exist, isn't it? If you don't agree, I'm sure there are other threads more interesting to you. Nobody is forcing you to read this. You guys get upset when you're accused of defending the game. But you accuse people of trolling. The hypocrisy is real...

Do you understand how many times this "Galaxy Wide, Inch Deep" complaint has been brought up?

If this were the first or, hell, the third time this exact topic was brought up I'd be willing to engage each point.

This is the seventh topic in two days to say the exact same thing. "There's not enough content, what content there is is bland, underdeveloped, uninspired, grindy, and an insult to gamers. We need more content that engages and respects us."

SEVENTH IN TWO DAYS.

Overall? I stopped keeping count of how many individual topics saying this exact same thing YEARS AGO after FORTY.

FORTY TOPICS ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.

So forgive me for not cutting anyone any slack on this topic. Frankly I should start going on a massive reporting spree for duplicate topics.

But you know what? I'm not going to be that cruel. I'm more then willing to sacrifice my patience and allow everyone a chance to voice their displeasure in their own words. Biting Sarcasm is more cathartic for me anyway.

Yes the forum is a place for feedback. It's also a place where I like to post about silly things that happened in game, respond to questions or discuss game mechanics. It's also where I like to construct theories about future gameplay based on observations from the in-game GalNet. (And I have been scarily accurate.)

But when I go looking for this or post these kinds of things. It's lost in the great flood that is repeated topics of naysaying who whine about Elite not being what they expected.

All saying the same thing. "Elite is not worthy of my time and is a crappy game because it's a sandbox."

I'd be much happier if all of it was consolidated in one topic where I didn't have to look at it but like everyone advancing the "Galaxy Wide, Inch Deep, Needs Moar" position. I'm not going to get what I want.

 

[FockoHoft]

Well, even the idea of dark matter is just a scientific placeholder for an anomaly in the calculations of the mass of the universe based on it's speed of acceleration (I think). We don't know why we can't find something like 60% of the mass!

Point is, waxing philosophical is pretty bread and butter on the fringes of science!

 

[Genus]

Do you understand how many times this "Galaxy Wide, Inch Deep" complaint has been brought up?


If this were the first or, hell, the third time this exact topic was brought up I'd be willing to engage each point.


This is the seventh topic in two days to say the exact same thing. "There's not enough content, what content there is is bland, underdeveloped, uninspired, grindy, and an insult to gamers. We need more content that engages and respects us."


SEVENTH IN TWO DAYS.


Overall? I stopped keeping count of how many individual topics saying this exact same thing YEARS AGO after FORTY.

FORTY TOPICS ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.


So forgive me for not cutting anyone any slack on this topic. Frankly I should start going on a massive reporting spree for duplicate topics.


But you know what? I'm not going to be that cruel. I'm more then willing to sacrifice my patience and allow everyone a chance to voice their displeasure in their own words. Biting Sarcasm is more cathartic for me anyway.


Yes the forum is a place for feedback. It's also a place where I like to post about silly things that happened in game, respond to questions or discuss game mechanics. It's also where I like to construct theories about future gameplay based on observations from the in-game GalNet. (And I have been scarily accurate.)


But when I go looking for this or post these kinds of things. It's lost in the great flood that is repeated topics of naysaying who whine about Elite not being what they expected.


All saying the same thing. "Elite is not worthy of my time and is a crappy game because it's a sandbox."


I'd be much happier if all of it was consolidated in one topic where I didn't have to look at it but like everyone advancing the "Galaxy Wide, Inch Deep, Needs Moar" position. I'm not going to get what I want.

Someone's been drinking the Rosé!

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

OP: "I have some things I want to say about why I feel the way I do about this game."

Others: "I don't agree with you and that makes you dumb. I could have just ignored this, but I thought I'd come in here to tell you how dumb you are."

This is so ridiculous! If you say you don't like the game, you're not being constructive. If you give reasons you're trolling. If you leave critical feedback it's dumb because you could just stop playing and go away. If you leave positive feedback when you could just be playing the game instead makes perfect sense though somehow.

The OP wanted to give some feedback to the devs. That's literally one of the main reasons these forums even exist, isn't it? If you don't agree, I'm sure there are other threads more interesting to you. Nobody is forcing you to read this. You guys get upset when you're accused of defending the game. But you accuse people of trolling. The hypocrisy is real...

Uh, no. That is not just what these forums are for. In fact, that's not even the main reason.

Feedback? asking for the game to be changed to something completely different is not feedback. It's whining that the game is not what you want it to be.

 

[Genus]

Uh, no. That is not just what these forums are for. In fact, that's not even the main reason.

Feedback? asking for the game to be changed to something completely different is not feedback. It's whining that the game is not what you want it to be.

I dunno so much.

I think it was more about the design approach improving from this point forward, rather than wanting a different game.

Incrementally and sustainably would also be nice.

 

[SentineI]

I always get this constant feeling that Elite is mostly a simulation demo and everything is pretend. It seems that those people that do get together and create their own thing, is a pretend of some sort. Let’s pretend that this is something we can do. I remember when I met a guy called CMDR Fisherfly or something, he told me that I wasn't allowed in the system we ended up in, it was their system they said, I don't know why he did that, but then I realized, he is pretending, he wishing the game was something more. The poor fellow he was standing outside that station and guarded it.

By this logic, every time you are interdicted by a pirate player, and they demand your cargo to let you go, they are merely 'pretending' to be a pirate...

You could always try explaining to the poor chap that he's deluding himself, although I'm not sure how well that will go...

 

[Genus]

By this logic, every time you are interdicted by a pirate player, and they demand your cargo to let you go, they are merely 'pretending' to be a pirate...

I keep telling them that too.

They're Farmers really.

 

[GG7]

Essentially the OP would rather be playing that OTHER space game where this is actually a thing with the Larger Capital Ships that can get stolen right out from under you while you're sleeping.

Or even your smaller personal ship if you get PvP'd and didn't leave your ship in a hangar somewhere "safe".

By that "OTHER" space game, are you referring to the one that runs at a "choppy" 20-30fps on a $6000.00 PC with Dual 1080tis in SLI?

Yeah... That is a viable alternative to ED! lol! [rolleyes]

 

[SentineI]

By that "OTHER" space game, are you referring to the one that runs at a "choppy" 20-30fps on a $6000.00 PC with Dual 1080tis in SLI?

Yeah... That is a viable alternative to ED! lol! [rolleyes]

Personally I hope that Star Citizen succeeds. (I'm not sure it will, but recent news is at least a bit more positive, and Derek Smart has remained strangely silent.)

If SC fails, it'll likely kill all interest in the 'space game genre' from the big publishers (and their investors, who will think space game = high risk).

Where-as, if SC succeeds, it'll get rid of a large part of the moaners on this forum, who want ED to be something it isn't (and can't be without a complete redesign - i.e. a different game). More optimistic forums can only benefit Elite Dangerous long-term success (unwarranted negativity does affect some people - and probably more than you'd imagine).

 

[Sylveria]

By that "OTHER" space game, are you referring to the one that runs at a "choppy" 20-30fps on a $6000.00 PC with Dual 1080tis in SLI?

Yeah... That is a viable alternative to ED! lol! [rolleyes]

Eh, more like EVE Online where it's indeed possible to steal another pilot's ship if they aren't in it and it's not docked within a station or POS.

I do have to agree with the assessment of our favorite "Space Game That Shall Not Be Named", however. Personally, being a backer and seeing just how little of a "game" it actually is considering how long it's been in development as an "alpha". CIG definitely needs to get off their duffs and quit adding to the "to do" list.

There's really no excuse as to the lack of performance on a machine in which I can run just about anything at Ultra settings in 4K to behave like that game does given the substantial financial resources and time they've had to work on it so far.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Someone's been drinking the Rosé!

Or, smoking the Burnt Sienna.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I keep telling them that too.

They're Farmers really.

Sidney The Sidewinder's counseling clinic is *full* of NPC pirates...

For those who don't know, my fully engineered Sidewinder runs a counseling service for NPC's with issues. It's a very lucrative side job- for him.

 

[znôrt]

So forgive me for not cutting anyone any slack on this topic. Frankly I should start going on a massive reporting spree for duplicate topics.

forgive me but i just went on reporting your post for off-topic.

@op: tl;dr but yes, the game is shallow. some say things will fall in place in some distant future. i'm not seeing it. any case, frontier seems to be, for years already, on an autistic featurette spree. in the meantime, enjoy it while it is any fun to you, else there are other games you might like better for a while.

 

[Enderby]

It's still in development - we are told repeatedly - so some people are hanging on in there in the hope of improvement.