Privateer’s Alliance Charity Event Targeted for Griefing
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We don't. We do the charity on twitch. It's just that the people participating all play elite. Suck it up, be a nicer human being, break out your wallet, donate to a good cause.
For your information I give up some of my free time weekly and volunteer for a charity, it requires more effort than clicking a few buttons and donating. What I don't do is hijack a computer game for my own self aggrandizement so I can brow beat other folks who have bought a computer game to play that said game.
There are many ways to help support good causes. I don't think its appropriate for an online computer game to be endlessly targeted with charity events or death bed wishes, particularly since it more often than not ends up in a brow beating session with those holding these events imposing this sort of stuff on others.
UA bombing is a valid gameplay mechanic. Deal with it.
I'm not the one kicking up a fuss and expecting special in game treatment because of things going on outside of it and using it as a way to pejoratively label other players of the game.
Also I feel rather uncomfortable with people using charity events to virtue signal, which is all this really is I'm afraid.
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Neither is PA, read the response from the wing leader. It's the community at large. Sounds like PA welcomes the attention and the emergent game play the UA bombing will bring. I think if you actually read all that you won't find any official from PA labeling anyone, in fact quite the opposite, the wing lead went out of his way to comment on the one orchestrating the UA bombing as a nice guy and well within the rules of the game to do what he's doing. Seems to me that PA isn't the one kicking up a fuss over this.
So I'll just reiterate what I said previously: don't like it, don't watch. It's really that simple.
Not the official position of Privateer's Alliance. They aren't demanding special attention or relief from an in-game mechanic. Just advertising their charity event for you to participate or not.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/407472-Privateer-s-Alliance-Charity-Event-UA-Bombing-and-a-Chat-with-the-Lord-Commander-of-PA
Complaints for the mechanic are coming from elsewhere, because people want to hyperventilate.
Be cool if you did something that you don't normally do (i.e. play ED) for charity.
But, I mean, it's all good. Just feels a little bIt, I dunno, maybe a bit 'look at us, ain't we great doing this what we normally do for charity'.
I'm sure it's not like that at all, but it could come across that way.
But, I mean, it's all good. Just feels a little bIt, I dunno, maybe a bit 'look at us, ain't we great doing this what we normally do for charity'.
I'm sure it's not like that at all, but it could come across that way.
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I shudder to think.
One of the best laughs I've ever had in this game was when I saw an npc in a res site say 'but I was only mining!' for the first time. Brought back so many memories.
Man if that was the other game we would've dropped a jump beacon on it NPC or not.
Sole Hunter
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There you go, that's the right way to answer.
Crying over a perfectly legitimate game mechanic isn't accomplishing anything.
Good luck with your charity Philt0r.
Sole Hunter
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I think what he meant is that since you guys are mostly all Elite Dangerous players, you are inherently using the game as a medium to reach out for donations, which in some way is totally in your right.
However, it does feel like Frontier has the tendency to give special treatments to people using Elite as a platform for charity these days, which honestly might be good for publicity but is a tiny bit annoying for all the rest of the players out there looking for an equal footing in this universe.
Do I get jealous for not being able to have my own megaship, no, but it seems a bit unfair (in my opinion) for the rest of the community... not being able to enjoy these same very thing's.
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Regarding heart disease...
"Linus Pauling and Matthias Rath first alerted the world to the cause of heart disease in 1989 -- a chronic, sub-clinical vitamin C deficiency -- due to a missing liver enzyme caused by the ancient GULO genetic defect in primate DNA. [1]
Pauling, the founder of modern chemistry, holder of 48 honorary Ph.D.s, and the world's only 2-time unshared Nobel prize laureate, theorized that too little vitamin C elevates cholesterol levels, including the Lp(a) variant that causes narrowing of blood vessels.After Pauling learned that Lp(a) binds to strands of lysine protruding from weak and damaged blood vessels, he invented the high-lysine therapy described here."
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/
"Linus Pauling and Matthias Rath first alerted the world to the cause of heart disease in 1989 -- a chronic, sub-clinical vitamin C deficiency -- due to a missing liver enzyme caused by the ancient GULO genetic defect in primate DNA. [1]
Pauling, the founder of modern chemistry, holder of 48 honorary Ph.D.s, and the world's only 2-time unshared Nobel prize laureate, theorized that too little vitamin C elevates cholesterol levels, including the Lp(a) variant that causes narrowing of blood vessels.After Pauling learned that Lp(a) binds to strands of lysine protruding from weak and damaged blood vessels, he invented the high-lysine therapy described here."
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/
I do kinda know what you mean. As a roleplayer (from other games before this as well) it does leave me with a strong sense of meta-gaming.
I'm all for good will and good press, but there are ways to do it that don't disturb other people's ability to play fairly under the rules that are set by the game, from within the game.
If FDev wants to get involved and put something together, that's cool, it just needs to be done with great care and transparency. No one should be setting up a charity that could possibly fail, by not meeting an arbitrary goal within the game, that is completely with someone's rights to try and impede (as long as they aren't cheating,) unless part of the charity event is the challenge that it might fail--which is a valid way to go, as you can earn a lot and get a lot of participation/interest by making something more dramatic that way--but don't do it unless you are confident you can succeed, because you can't complain if you don't--no one playing the game inherently owes anyone cooperation with anything (regardless of how much of a it may make them seem like to refuse it).
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Sole Hunter
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yea exactly my point but it doesn't feel that way with frontier.
it's also only a matter of time before someone take advantage of fdevs good will.
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OK, so let me summarise the responses so far in order to attempt to achieve a consensus across the entire community.
The options - radically different though many may be - are that:
(A) Frontier should impose a ban - to be rigorously policed - of all financial fund-raising using their product, to include most obviously charity fundraising.
(B) Frontier should create a new mode - 'CHARITY' - within which all forms of direct and indirect PvP are forbidden, including UA bombing but also any other kind of BGS attack and, obviously, Orcas, Clippers, not to mention (obviously again) Fer-de-Lances. Actually, hard points are banned. As well as collisions. Did I mention Cutters? Frontier to decide case-by-case which good causes are sufficiently good to qualify for Developer-guaranteed-immortality-plated-immortality. (Noting that if they approve one yet refuse another, someone will probably go to the press. Realistically in the UK at least they'll have to approve anything to do with pets.)
(C) Frontier should state publicly that they will only permit matters to continue as now ... organically ... if all charity fundraisers understand and agree that anything goes in ED. One last chance ... any more complaints from charity fundraisers and option (A) applies.
(D) Frontier should do as they always should have done. Now is the time to make all systems, players, stations and ships immune to all forms of hostility in all circumstances. The charities will be saved, but only as part of a wider salvation. Heaven awaits!
(E) Perma-ban all PvP griefers.
(F) Perma-ban all UA bombers, zerg swarmers, goons, BGS attackers, authority-ship-killers, Powerplay 5th columnists, thread spammers, mod-pesterers and reddit brigaders.
(G) Ban everyone and everything except me, my Cobra III and DBOBE. (At last, we might meet...!)
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Did I miss anything out?
The options - radically different though many may be - are that:
(A) Frontier should impose a ban - to be rigorously policed - of all financial fund-raising using their product, to include most obviously charity fundraising.
(B) Frontier should create a new mode - 'CHARITY' - within which all forms of direct and indirect PvP are forbidden, including UA bombing but also any other kind of BGS attack and, obviously, Orcas, Clippers, not to mention (obviously again) Fer-de-Lances. Actually, hard points are banned. As well as collisions. Did I mention Cutters? Frontier to decide case-by-case which good causes are sufficiently good to qualify for Developer-guaranteed-immortality-plated-immortality. (Noting that if they approve one yet refuse another, someone will probably go to the press. Realistically in the UK at least they'll have to approve anything to do with pets.)
(C) Frontier should state publicly that they will only permit matters to continue as now ... organically ... if all charity fundraisers understand and agree that anything goes in ED. One last chance ... any more complaints from charity fundraisers and option (A) applies.
(D) Frontier should do as they always should have done. Now is the time to make all systems, players, stations and ships immune to all forms of hostility in all circumstances. The charities will be saved, but only as part of a wider salvation. Heaven awaits!
(E) Perma-ban all PvP griefers.
(F) Perma-ban all UA bombers, zerg swarmers, goons, BGS attackers, authority-ship-killers, Powerplay 5th columnists, thread spammers, mod-pesterers and reddit brigaders.
(G) Ban everyone and everything except me, my Cobra III and DBOBE. (At last, we might meet...!)
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Did I miss anything out?
Just one off the top of my head.
Every action has a counter. We should just chill out and play the game.
I count it a blessing that my catalogue of insanity should have been followed immediately by the ever-sane MottiKhan.
Thank you.